Liu Yao / confronted with difficulties

[Tientai ✝️]

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[JLim]

Hi Tientai, you talk about a triangular formation or San He.  Can you describe the other Branch of Yin Tiger?  Or maybe the whole hexagram

[Tientai ✝️]

The  6th   (O)ther moving line have in original Hexagram the Xu earth and in the produced Hexagram the Yin wood ..
Again 4th moving line has Wu in its original hex. and Xu earth on produced hex.
One more question : can this fire triangle if formatted produce 3rd  (S)elf  Chou earth moving line ? Or hesitates (Stuck ) due to "Lin" by the Wu month ?

Thanks for the notice ..
Tientai

[JLim]

Oh, the 4th line Wu Horse is actually a changing line, I see better now with the whole hexagram.
Now I also see how the Yin Tiger is doing.

Yes, in this case, the 4th and 6th lines successfully form a San He / triangular formation of Fire.

[Tientai ✝️]

Thank you Jlim ..
4th moving Wu is in Kong .. 
The clash of the Zi day in a Wu month:
1. Wu 4th moving line comes out of Kong ?
2. Triangle formation is broken ?

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[JLim]

4th moving Wu is in Kong .. 
The clash of the Zi day in a Wu month:
1. Wu 4th moving line comes out of Kong ?

Yes, out of Kong Wang.

2. Triangle formation is broken ?

Therefore not.

[Tientai ✝️]

Yeah  ... very good .. is clear now

If there wasn't any Kong wang  .. then the clash of Zi day in Wu month can break this triangle of fire?

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Thanks @JLim for your support  !!

[JLim]

In that case, I would still say that the fire triangle is formed.

[Tientai ✝️]

I think I understand your implication ..
On this case 4th line is timely or wang by the Month  .. !!
This makes the difference  ..
Otherwise without this support the triangle will breaking ..!!4

I don't have words to thank you  Master Jlim .. !!
Your explanations are unique and profound. .!!
Tientai

[Tientai ✝️]

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[JLim]

Yes, when Xu Earth is out of void, Hai water is out of void too, because the void stream has ended.  But if the day of occurrence is Xu day or Month, it's better to wait for the next day or month, because Hai is still overcome by Xu.   

[Tientai ✝️]

I try to understand ...Dear Jlim
Is ok with Xu earth as you mentioned ..
but what will happen if a Hai water line in an Hexagram is facing (par example) a clash with day branch Si on Month  branch Zi water ?...
This doesn't cause out of void on both  Xu- Hai ?

One thing can solve this problem I Guess ..!!
Either Xu is forced to be out of void then Hai will physically be out of void too,
Or Hai is forced to be out of void then Xu will physically be out of void too ..
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[JLim]

Tientai, I don't understand it well without an example.  And even better, please start a new topic about this void case.

[Sacrar]

According to Jack Chiu book in this case the San Hen would not be formed.

Sanhe formation requirements
quote:

None of the three components of the trine (San He) is the opposite of the terrestrial branch of the Day or an active line. In the case of an active line, it has to be strong and vitalized by the Day Branch to prevent the trine from being formed.

Zi is clashing and devitalizing Wu fire...

I don't know if Chen earth in the third changed line is also considered an active line or merely a "changed line". Chen faces (chong) the Xu in the sixth line, so it also would avoid forming the San he, according to Chiu's rules (Although in this case Chen is not vitalized by the day.)

All this just as a note, this needs verification in real cases.
Regards.

[Sacrar]

One may think "but the Wu month supports 4° line Wu".  I don't know if it's enough to counteract the effects of Zi clash.  The effect of day is stronger than the month, I understand.