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General discussions => FREE Life Reading Request => Topic started by: Sadsagi on July 30, 2023, 04:12:06 PM
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Hi, will appreciate help with my bazi chart. It has been quite tough for the past few years, especially from 2020-2023 with personal crisis, lawsuits and xiao ren. I just started picking up myself this year and trying to stay optimistic. I do intend to continue living so I started reading up on bazi, hopefully to shed some light how to improve myself and what to avoid.
Below is my bazi (time, day, month, year with 癸巳 as my daymaster)
庚 癸 壬 丁
申 巳 子 卯
Will appreciate if I could get some guidance on which area of career I should go for (currently unemployed and doing day trading to sustain.) And what should I look out for or avoid in the future?
Thank you!
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Hi Sadsagi. Please give also the birth date, time and city
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Hi JLim, thank you for the reply.
Birth date: 10 Dec 1987
Birth time: 1545
Country: Singapore
Gender: Female
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2020-2023 with personal crisis, lawsuits and xiao ren.
Hi, is this in relation to marriage lawsuits?
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2020-2023 with personal crisis, lawsuits and xiao ren.
Hi, is this in relation to marriage lawsuits?
Hi TaiYin, yes related to marriage. (Divorce and another one initiated by ex to silence me)
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己 癸 壬 丁 Ji Gui Ren Ding
未 巳 子 卯 Wei Si Zi Mao
Hi Sadsagi,
The way I plot the chart is like above, because we use solar time adjustment. After adjusted, you were born at 14:48, which is Wei hour.
The hour clearly shows the Xiao Ren (petty people), because Ji Wei represents Seven Killings (Officer).
With the Geng Shen hour, there is no Seven Killings (Officer) in your chart.
Well, we need to analyze further when Seven Killings is bad and when it's not.
Your LP Yi Mao (Apr 2016-Apr 2026) led to some problems with Seven Killings.
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Thank you so much Master @JLim.
Never knew I got seven killings until today, probably also explain why it has been so difficult for the past few years in quite a number of aspects of my life.
I realised based on your mangpai method, seven killings is sitting on death emptiness at the time pillar?
If I just focus on myself (career & wealth) instead of having any hopes about love and having any children, will it be better?
(Also doesn’t feel like I have any good “connections” with my immediate family regardless of how amicable I am or what I did for them.)
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Hi Sadsagi
I believe you are born into a good middle class family but the family fortune unfortunately declined.
From age 20-30 is a very bad 10 years period - involving your husband, you and family planning.
From age 30-40, by right, at the beginning looks like turning for the better but then gone south.
Your husband is very privilege and wealthy. 2022's 2nd half of the year should be most devasting for you.
My advice is that:
1) Yourself is a bless person, you shouldn't end up do jail time/ bankrupt.
2) Your peers are also your lucky stars but they expect a lot from you before they can help you.
3) There will be people offering help to shrug you off dire situation, but you probably wont be grateful as wlell.
4) You may feel lonely at times, but it wouldn't bother you.
Should there be divorce, your alimony should be favorable.
5) There should still be very eligible spousal candidates for you, till age 45.
6) 2025 should be a year to look forward to.
You should think about your future beyond. May I know what qualification / job experience do you have?
Best,
Goldman
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Hi @Goldman, thank you so much for your advice and help.
Well, I do hope the future will be better than before.
Yes, age 20-30 has been a terrible 10 years period. (I was also in poor health.)
Ex husband was in debts when I met him, but we managed to sort out his finances by the time we decided to get married. (He became quite wealthy 2 years into the marriage.)
2022 was devastating, I was prepared to go to court to defend myself over a frivolous lawsuit initiated by ex and the third party to intimidate & silence me over their boss-subordinate affair. But thankfully, a gui ren intervene and the case was withdrawn. A huge amount of money was spent on lawyer fees, leaving me in quite a bad financial state.
I have difficulties trying to trust peers/friends after this episode. (I got backstabbed and extorted money by a 'friend' whom I thought was helping me during this difficult period.) Some of them were mocking at me saying I do not have the kind of life to enjoy the wealth after ex got successful and left me for another woman.
Really good to know I am a blessed person. Life has been rather depressing.
I have a Economics & finance degree (honours) but no job experience. I do have some experience managing finances/investments of ex's in the past.
Will appreciate if you could advise me what kind of career is suitable? I am currently looking out for job opportunities especially in wealth management area.
Regarding point 5, will my next marriage (if there's another one) end up in divorce again?
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Hi Sadsagi
My best advice for you is - moving forward - Segregate the Tangibles with your significant other.
Draw a firm line. Your assets belongs to you, his assets belongs to him.
You have the ability to make a man rich. I'm happy for you that your Ex-husband goy rich with your help.
I believe in Karma - he left rich with your help. You had paid your debts. Otherwise, its not done yet.
There could be other SO entering your life, and you will be inclined to help as before. That's all good, help him but draw the line firmly.
I think you have a craft with managing finances/investments and you can stick to that for now, till 45 years old.
Best,
Goldman
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Hi @Goldman , thank you for your time and reply. Really appreciate that.
Good to hear that I have repaid my debts.
Will bear in mind and always remind myself to draw a firm line for assets with my significant one in the future.
And will continue to look for opportunities in the direction of wealth management.
You make me see some hope for my future :) hope to excel in my career and meet someone who will appreciate and treasure me.
Thank you!
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Hi.
Would recommend to get surrounded by poor but honest friends. Then there may be tendency to think about them in not very good ways, if you manage to resist that chart should balance, if I'm reading it right.
Religion and some philosophy communities can do the job, sometimes. Sometimes art, depends on country and surrounding.
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Hi.
Would recommend to get surrounded by poor but honest friends. Then there may be tendency to think about them in not very good ways, if you manage to resist that chart should balance, if I'm reading it right.
Religion and some philosophy communities can do the job, sometimes. Sometimes art, depends on country and surrounding.
Hi @Gmuli ,
Thank you for your time and advice.
I do mix with a variety of friends. However, I don’t feel I have much “luck” with friends. (Probably I am not good at detecting who I should be close to or wary of until something happen. I also do have quite a number of jealous “friends”)
Currently, I don’t socialise much. Will bear in mind your advice.
I do have an interest in art, however, the country I am in unfortunately doesn’t seem to be conducive for it.
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I do mix with a variety of friends. However, I don’t feel I have much “luck” with friends. (Probably I am not good at detecting who I should be close to or wary of until something happen. I also do have quite a number of jealous “friends”)
Currently, I don’t socialise much.
I think I understand. Its all good, may be possible to align it back with choices. I can explain in detail if you want, sometimes can help. Some of these stuff is very easy to fix, there is usually some 'learning' idea in the middle, ones one understand it the rest becomes easier and with time much nicer. : )
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Hi @Gmuli, thank you for your time and reply.
Yes please, will appreciate if you could spend some time to explain to me in details.
I recently realised one of my close friends moral values don’t quite align with me (she is a third party in a relationship with her bf and doesn’t think she is wrong). It’s hard to carry on such friendship with her, yet it’s also hard to break it off. I also feel she seems “happy” that I lost an apartment and keeps trying to find out if there are any rich men chasing me.
So now, I just focus on myself to earn back my previous lifestyle and don’t socialise much.
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ok, Will try to summary and after that write with terminology, so if you are studying the systems can expand on parts of it you find interesting.
My way of viewing it now, seems to revolve around problem with people you become part of, so the groups you end up with may tent to be mean, wealth/asset driven and create tension up all parts of your life.
At the other dynamic is that with time that may lead to thiking process with the idea you are better then them and that creates even more tension.
That thinking process may come out of tension one feels when around people, so a way to cut off the relation there, so that eases out.
That is not a problem by itself. Just a process, all can be overcome and with time balanced.
Problem comes, because there may be tendency to look for people that will play this ideas out, so they 'fit in it'.
That way one 'anchors' in groups and relations that play that scenario out, they are mean, look for 'profit' and competitive with you.
If one on purpose chooses other groups, with good hearted people that are not interested in material wealth as much, then this same learning processes can go on without being so strong, as to make life difficult.
Many problems will stay, will be good chance tendency to look at them as 'less' would be there, but that can be overcomed and balanced now, as if they are good natured it won't always be true in reality. So easy to not think it, when it isn't true, difficult to not think it when it is.
So just a giving a push of the chart so the parts you don't want doesn't exist around you, then can learn same ideas, but in much smoother and friendlier environment.
This is very simplified, when one starts there are always details, and turn arounds and stuff, but that is up to you to find out, if you feel its for you.
Terminology:
Overall there seem to be 3 parts that are out of balance now.
1. Year pillar - thoughts people around you aren't good/doesn't deserve you, coming from hour pillar tension.
2. Hour pillar - tension when around people. Related to thinking.
3. Month pillar - people around you in conflict with all this.
Solution - change Images of people around you, by changing groups you are in in real life. : )
I think the avoidence of social stuff is because of Hour pillar, so there can be some tension when physically around people(7K in the hour) and that may lead to thoughts about the world(Mao coming from Wei as that 7k) that is in conflict with friends and people around(stable water pillar in month with messy relation with the rest of the chart, but DM rooted in it).
So from one point of view, the month pillar(people nearby) is in conflict with much of the rest of the chart, but DM roots in it. So physically one may have tendency to identify with people that are somewhat mean . Also to the chart owner as well. And that is in conflict with their own thinking about the world(at Zi Mao), so creates tension.
The hour helps to control the water in theory, but Wei<>Zi, but its too weak to do it, yet that could lead to way of acting when near them that they will find as uneasy, Wei also have tendency to act as Wood sometimes(very interesting rule that the people at Feng Shui Expose presented, worth checking out for any style), so at times that 7K helps you control that influence of people, at times it does the opposite empowering Mao with the Zi<>Mao conflict.
All seems to revolve around people(Zi in month) and how you think about them(Mao in Year, flowing out from Wei as 7K when physically there).
The theory here(not tested, of course, every chart is their own universe, at the end of the day) may need to help the chart a little, by surrounding yourself with very good, simple, honest people. So the Zi doesn't harm the rest of the chart. That could be difficult to do as the tendency is to go after mean ones.
That seem to be the heart and soul of it all. As if you do surround yourself with simple, good folk then other problems could come up, as Mao and Wei could represent them in not pleasent way. If that is overcome, much could heal.
So aligning with simple, good people to lessen the Images of the month pillar seems to be the idea, at least so far.
Then resistances will come up, if you handle that all may fall into place and chart may balance out. But again that is in theory, in practice sometimes is more complex. But the base should be near this idea.
And there always may be tension around people physically, or at least for most of life, that is 7K in the Hour, as that is how chart works, but if that is not fueled by focusing on mean people to help interact with that, rest may align and there can be easing out of much of the tension.
So its choice driven. At least it seems so. Its in most cases, though sometimes its just something one has to go through. But in this case its up to the choices if I'm reading it right.
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Hi @Gmuli,
Thank you so much for the detailed explanation!! :)
Yes, I believe it’s a choice. But I must admit in reality, it can be quite difficult though not impossible. I did try to reconnect or maintain friendships with more down-to-earth people. However, it’s hard to have anything more than just acquaintances (Not even friend status). I have been told quite a number of times I give out “expensive” or “atas” vibes/aura even when I dress simply. People have the impression that I come from a sophisticated family or have a rich husband. (Which I don’t)
It can make me feel quite frustrated, like I have zero friends whom I feel comfortable to confide in.
So this is the result of conflict in 3 of my pillars? Really appreciate you mentioning this. All along I always thought hour pillar represents my child, old age situations and investments? (Still quite a newbie in figuring out bazi).
Is there any way to balance this through 10 year LP? Though I will bear in mind to make a conscious effort to stay away from mean/jealous/competitive people.
And also does it mean, I will also be prone to attracting mean/competitive guys for relationship/marriage?
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So this is the result of conflict in 3 of my pillars? Really appreciate you mentioning this. All along I always thought hour pillar represents my child, old age situations and investments? (Still quite a newbie in figuring out bazi).
It does, yea. Its like what you show the world. In that sense it can be a product of the life so far. And in that sense in day to day situations also shows what happens when you are in front of people.Yet the other Images are still there. We can guess one at some point in their life may be scared of growing old, because of the same movements. Or that there is worry about things they 'put out' to the world. And many others, depending on level of 'wholeness' we decide to read on.
But since we focus on social dynamic, how to fix that seems better looked at in this.
If its healed in one place, its much nicer in the others, usually.
In this case we have Ji Wei both 7k. Wei is Tomb/Graveyard of Wood. Wood is Eating God. So when in front of people there could be fear/tension (7K) that they can perceive as 'authority'.
And in Wei that is storage of Eating God, that often show thinking process. So there may be 'thinking' deep within when around people that may be the problem.
About how to be more diplomatic, how not to offend maybe, stuff like that(Mao Images).
That may happen because... Well, people nearby as Zi are controling the inner world(Si snake). So this may be way to try to lessen that.
What can you do... Pay attention if there are thinking processes when around people of how to not offend them and be more tactful. If you find there are, see if they aren't too overgrown. If they are - reduce to normal sizes if possible.
Is there any way to balance this through 10 year LP?
That comes and goes. 2026-2036 dynamic is entirely different, but that is for whole life kinda. But next 10 years will be very different then this, as all may be working together instead of doing what is usually done.
2046-2056 also changes it a lot
But its long to go into, so focusing on overview. : )
And also does it mean, I will also be prone to attracting mean/competitive guys for relationship/marriage?
That is expected, yea. Outside of the mensioned 10 year LP. But it should be possible to work out if you put some effort to choose differently and don't mind it may not feel natural or familiar.
Not all is possible. We can't change that DM is rooted in the Month, so that connection there will likely stay outside of some LPs.
But if that is the main thing to learn(to have better friends) there should be group around that could work for this. So there is a 'appropriate' thing, if one is suppose to learn to stay away from specific people, the other type of people should always be possible to find.
And if not... 2026 LP should be entirely different dynamic, anyway. : )
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Hi @Gmuli, thank you!!
It does make sense to me now. I will pay attention and be more tactful when interacting with people. Perhaps not show too much of what is in my mind through my facial expressions or give honest opinions if I don’t think the person can accept that.
I guess I just got to keep trying to meet new people and forge new friendships if possible.
Understand that this is my life overview. So the next 10 years (2026-2036) won’t be as “bad” in terms of social aspects?
Ah good that you pointed out. Now I see that DM (gui) is rooted in the month pillar.
Yes, have been trying to choose differently by being more open minded with the type of guys I am usually attracted to. However, 90% of the interested guys are still foreigners (caucasians). Most asians usually find me too “challenging” to handle in terms of my mindset and not so accepting about me not having a stable job (monthly paid salary).
If you don’t mind me asking (I understand I asked so many questions, really appreciate your time spent on this), does Ji wei having both 7K have any impact on my finances or health? Since we understand that it has impact on social/relationship aspect.
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Happy to help! : )
It does make sense to me now. I will pay attention and be more tactful when interacting with people. Perhaps not show too much of what is in my mind through my facial expressions or give honest opinions if I don’t think the person can accept that.
Actually, it may be counte rintuitive but I mean the opposite. Well, not to be rude to people, of course, but to be less worriedon how they perceive you.
Why... Well, 7K as Wei. So 7K suggests pressure when around people, as we said, among other things. We need to know, on the next step, why there is pressure. What exactly is the problem.
We have 2 hints. What Wei is and what Wei does.What it does, is have Harm with Zi. But lets ignore that for now, will become longer. So lets look what it is. And what it is is Storage/Graveyard of Wood.
So now we know if we understand that Wood, we will know why Wei is creating pressure.And we can see in the Year. Mao as diplomacy, tactfulness coming from the early years and from far away places in someones life.Can work even more so if you live far away from home. And you view where you grew up as more tactful, reserve and other images of Mao.
Something like someone remembering all were very polite when they grew up and trying to do the same, now. But putting too much pressure on themselves when doing it. So Wei/Pressure as 7K, seems to be connected and to 'contain' in a sense, that tactfulness when around people. And in Yin Tiger years and LPs also to contain the other form of wood. So more like aggressive approach to stuff.
That isn't good, however, that is what one may need to lessen to feel more relaxed and be able to enjoy life more. Although that is just the theory in somewhat safe environment, in some cases that may not be possible.
(if one is in foreign place, some amount of reserve is wise, but even then wiser to not talk much then to put way too much pressure on what you say)
Summary - can't advice to attempt to be even more tactful. The idea is to be more relaxed and instead to be surrounded with people that won't find it offensive if/when you are.
Understand that this is my life overview. So the next 10 years (2026-2036) won’t be as “bad” in terms of social aspects?
Yes.
Why... Well, you have Bing Chen coming.Lets look only at the aspect of social relations.
Bing clashes Ren, so that aspect of nearby people in the open may be replaced by something else.All the water falls in Chen. Wei also falls in Chen. So much of the chart moves through something outside and is accessible from there.
Chen carries Images of DO. So some form of grounding, level of stability that everything will become part of.New job, maybe, or new structure you may become part of. Since that structure will take much of the chart the different smaller problems around the chart may be less easy to see. Its not all gone. When Chen is open there could be huge inflow of Water(people) and parts of that may show up again, also in water months and at other times.
But overall theme is for something new from outside that will govern the dynamic in a way that will change the normal dynamics as all will be aligning it with it.
Yes, have been trying to choose differently by being more open minded with the type of guys I am usually attracted to. However, 90% of the interested guys are still foreigners (caucasians). Most asians usually find me too “challenging” to handle in terms of my mindset and not so accepting about me not having a stable job (monthly paid salary).
I think that 'salary' thing comes from the Hexagram lines. Its misunderstood, in my view, but that is very long topic. But can't really help there, logically if someone is too demanding on how you live your life may not be the best choice to align with for very long. But that is just my view, as far as the chart goes, I think it could work someday, but not sure.
does Ji wei having both 7K have any impact on my finances or health? Since we understand that it has impact on social/relationship aspect.
On health, I think so. Usually that solid pillars of 7K near DM, do come with problems with health. Yet in all cases so far there was other reasons as well. So not sure if it would still be if month pillar was different. But stable 7K with not position Resource between it and DM is usually not good for health.
(its pressure - pressure is not good for health if not handled well, in many cases)
Is it good for work... That is complex. As they will be seeing the Resource instead as that is clock time.
I could guess that could be the reason they may see you as 'expensive'. As7K isn't expensive, but if they see you are Resource in the hour, that combines with Day Branch Si as Wealth, then that Wealth adds images to the Hour and they see you interacting in that way.
But that is clock time, in reality process should be the other one. The good for work process would be shen/si. Since work is part of human laws, that actually does happen in beneficial way. Wei could be fine for work in attempts to obtain Zi. But that suggests all is working well and healthy in the chart as if one of them is broken that won't happen(as Si is not great at controling Zi and Wei is far).
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Hi @Gmuli, blessed and fortunate that you are happy to help! Thank you!
Does explains why life all along has been driving me crazy. I guess I do feel there are some kind of expectations on me from family, friends and people in general. I try not to judge people while expecting them not to judge me, but it doesn’t work that way. And yes, good advice to relax abit and not put too much emphasis on how people perceive me to be, while mixing with ppl who are more down to earth, honest.
Still trying my best to understand how the elements interact with each other between and within pillars.
I realized I do have death emptiness in my hour pillar. DE is often being associated with negativity, especially if it falls in the hour pillar? How does it interact with other elements (since it is in between both 7K?)
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Hi @Gmuli, blessed and fortunate that you are happy to help! Thank you!
Does explains why life all along has been driving me crazy. I guess I do feel there are some kind of expectations on me from family, friends and people in general. I try not to judge people while expecting them not to judge me, but it doesn’t work that way. And yes, good advice to relax abit and not put too much emphasis on how people perceive me to be, while mixing with ppl who are more down to earth, honest.
Still trying my best to understand how the elements interact with each other between and within pillars.
I realized I do have death emptiness in my time pillar. DE is often being associated with negativity, especially if it falls in the time pillar? How does it interact with other elements (since it is in between both 7K?)
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About the void....
In my view, so far, it seems Void just mean something isn't material/physical.
So if, for example, we say someone could feel tension when in front of people... If in void that could mean that tension doesn't have material source.
Meaning, tension doesn't come because of specific material thing(at least not initially), but comes from something that isn't physical.
Difference between someone scared outside something specific may happen and someone worried when outside without knowing why.
But that is kinda covered with the idea it comes from thinking. So just one more image of that.
In my humble view, that is the reason people sometimes say it can change polarity. As if we have something making it feel uneasy that we don't know exactly what it is, we may tent to act more carefully with the things we know. So even though its 7K having few images of 'unseen'(void/same polarity etc.) in real life it may seem like we have DO, because we act in a more structured way instead.
But key is we don't do it because we feel more stable with DO, we do it because we feel more unstable with 7K. Just a guess, however.
The other theory is that since in other parts of metaphysics its always considered change of level changes polarity, then what is DO physically will be 7K in the higher(psychic/astral/emotional levels). And void seems to move it one level higher. In that sense, if 7K is in the chart and we have void, it may turn to DO, as we interact with it in the higher plane of it all.
Both theories, of course, will need a lot more people with void hour to comment more on it.
In short - I think its 1 image of 'not material'. As technology and spiritual systems progress, the non material stuff has become greatly beneficial even for ordinary people. Yet in the past things people couldn't understand were usually accepted as "bad" it seems, as one is moving out of the known, ordinary way of life. Sadly, the distinction in what direction they are moving was lost, as the maps to the higher places are not a usual part of the systems. As of course, one can move into better things(spirituality, connection with nature or inner levels of it all etc.) or instead may be moving into having all sorts of problems with coping with the real world around, so relatively worse. Sometimes both, but the distinction between those is the difference between someone getting more healthier and someone getting worse then the average person.
Yet both may be shown with same parts in the Five Arts in some cases. As average person will have difficulty figuring them out apart, sometimes.
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Hi @Gmuli, thank you so much for the detailed explanation!
If you don’t mind me asking one more question..
From mangpai bazi, is it possible to see if I should be wary of certain family members etc? And if it’s possible to avoid (because we know it might happen and try to make adjustments by taking certain actions/precautions), does it mean that the “debt” to them is not being paid in this life and will be carried over?
Or once we managed to “escape” situations like this, eventually it will still happen because we have to pay back such “debt”?
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By the way its interesting to mention that Zi Rat has other Images as well.
I think the original Images we use are made by observation. They watched how it effect people and events and they made a great work with figuring that part out. But going deeper into it the Branches are 'coming out' of something else. They are the effects that are produced, but not the process in its essence.
So its like if someone throws a rock in the sea. If we observe that we may not see the rock, it flies so fast and its gone almost right away, but there will be long time with ripples around it. Ripples are easier to see.
So lets say that rhere are 'higher' degrees of Images that come beyond the branches. And they are the reason for whatever effect we notice in the branches I think.
In there Zi Rat carry Images of Leader. So the rats and night animals go out to look for food, not because its a random moment of chaos. Its because of connection deep within suggesting 'its time'.
In Zi Rat, as its the deepest point of the cycle, one connects to their essence and that allows them to bring that forward, so Zi is the purer vision of how to help it all fit together outside.
Then Chou is something else, much more important in some sense, but heavily misunderstood on Earth in the past(although the Five Arts again have got the essence very nicely, just didn't understood that it was never fully grounded/functioning, so was just part of something else).
Anyway, this is veery long topic. But I wanted to say that in your chart Zi is soo strong and central to it all. But that carries also Images of Leader in its essence. So no matter if its a Parent, or when its people around you I think its possible often the situation to become a problem because of the Zi attempt to lead stuff, that the rest of the chart can't really align well to.
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Hi @Gmuli, thank you for sharing your knowledge!!
Icic, not sure if it’s the effect of zi. Or perhaps because of the presence of zi-mao?
But, I always feel I have better connection with father than mother. Sometimes mother will make comments like “I am not abit like her” or “our bazi must be very incompatible”. Haha I do hope she’s kidding and doesn’t mean it but sth is definitely off between me and her. Feels like nothing I do makes her happy. Having said that, she’s still my mother. I just try to avoid conflict or too much hostile interaction with her.
Things did get better previously when I was travelling often and living in another country for a few months.
Also, zi being a “leader”, does it also mean she’s trying to “control” me?
Regarding the “volunteers”, this is so so so interesting!! Just wondering if there’s any way to identify them from the bazi?
The theory I heard before is, the next batch of reincarnation will be from Second World War timeline. Not sure if it’s already happening or around 2030.
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Also, zi being a “leader”, does it also mean she’s trying to “control” me?
Regarding the “volunteers”, this is so so so interesting!! Just wondering if there’s any way to identify them from the bazi?
The theory I heard before is, the next batch of reincarnation will be from Second World War timeline. Not sure if it’s already happening or around 2030.
I think its like having a 'vision' of what is better. And since that will be there all the time most of the time it may create problems. As the person may be open to what is better in some cases, but no one can be all the time...
While Mao would be like trying to find the middle best way for everyone.
So can create conflict, as if someone has inner vision of what is better, that is always cut of from people around(as focus is on the vision).
Yet... At times when things start to decay somewhere, from what I have seen very often someone with that type of vision will come to try to guide them to possible development to heal stuff. Always cut off from the rest, as they have to stay true to what is felt as needed within. That would be Zi, sometimes.
If that is ignored, the place starts to decay very soon after.
And it could be anyone, only it has to be at the right time and the right person.
So that is the balance, if one tries to lead with Mao, then the big problem becomes Zi and You. And Zi would be that - someone with vision but cut off from the rest seems to disrupt stuff. Yet if all like that are chased away every single place will decay where that is done.
In family, that could be a parent that is sure they know better then their kid. Yet if that goes on for way too many topics and the kid will start feeling they don't have their own choices. So have to pull away.
In general its like someone thinks they know better. If its not balanced they may think it all the time. If they have balanced it they will attempt to think it only when its true.
Just wondering if there’s any way to identify them from the bazi?
I guess they may be more unaffected of parts of their chart, maybe?
Coz logically charts repeat, but if someone carry experiences not easy to access here, some of these(like Zi Mao here) they may know how to balance and doesn't have the effects people usually will get from it here.
Just a theory, in practice - difficult to check.
May need someone working with regression to check charts of people as well, then maybe there will be, I have no idea. : )
The theory I heard before is, the next batch of reincarnation will be from Second World War timeline. Not sure if it’s already happening or around 2030.
That does not sound fun, right now hehe...
But it does make sense, in some strange way. : )
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Hi JLim, thank you for the reply.
Birth date: 10 Dec 1987
Hi Sadsagi, you were born on the exact same date as this gentleman:
Hi,
I am new on this forum
I want an opinion about my chart-this chart-10 december 1987 8 :10 am
bing gui ren ding
chen si zi mao
Difference in gender, birth hour and country of origin.
I appreciate that Gmuli has lent you a big hand in analyzing your chart :) :)
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Also, zi being a “leader”, does it also mean she’s trying to “control” me?
Regarding the “volunteers”, this is so so so interesting!! Just wondering if there’s any way to identify them from the bazi?
The theory I heard before is, the next batch of reincarnation will be from Second World War timeline. Not sure if it’s already happening or around 2030.
I think its like having a 'vision' of what is better. And since that will be there all the time most of the time it may create problems. As the person may be open to what is better in some cases, but no one can be all the time...
While Mao would be like trying to find the middle best way for everyone.
So can create conflict, as if someone has inner vision of what is better, that is always cut of from people around(as focus is on the vision).
Yet... At times when things start to decay somewhere, from what I have seen very often someone with that type of vision will come to try to guide them to possible development to heal stuff. Always cut off from the rest, as they have to stay true to what is felt as needed within. That would be Zi, sometimes.
If that is ignored, the place starts to decay very soon after.
And it could be anyone, only it has to be at the right time and the right person.
So that is the balance, if one tries to lead with Mao, then the big problem becomes Zi and You. And Zi would be that - someone with vision but cut off from the rest seems to disrupt stuff. Yet if all like that are chased away every single place will decay where that is done.
In family, that could be a parent that is sure they know better then their kid. Yet if that goes on for way too many topics and the kid will start feeling they don't have their own choices. So have to pull away.
In general its like someone thinks they know better. If its not balanced they may think it all the time. If they have balanced it they will attempt to think it only when its true.
Just wondering if there’s any way to identify them from the bazi?
I guess they may be more unaffected of parts of their chart, maybe?
Coz logically charts repeat, but if someone carry experiences not easy to access here, some of these(like Zi Mao here) they may know how to balance and doesn't have the effects people usually will get from it here.
Just a theory, in practice - difficult to check.
May need someone working with regression to check charts of people as well, then maybe there will be, I have no idea. : )
The theory I heard before is, the next batch of reincarnation will be from Second World War timeline. Not sure if it’s already happening or around 2030.
That does not sound fun, right now hehe...
But it does make sense, in some strange way. : )
Hi @Gmuli, thank you for the explanation! Makes sense now.
I guess the only way is to tolerate.
Yes, it’s hard to check who are the “volunteers”. But I doubt I am one, since I feel quite affected by my bazi chart. If not, I probably gotten a bad deal in negotiation. Haha.
Actually, these days more and more people are selecting “auspicious date and time” to deliver their babies so as to ensure they are born with good bazi. Isn’t this going against the cycle? And eventually majority of the people will be born with generally good smooth sailing life?
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Hi JLim, thank you for the reply.
Birth date: 10 Dec 1987
Hi Sadsagi, you were born on the exact same date as this gentleman:
Hi,
I am new on this forum
I want an opinion about my chart-this chart-10 december 1987 8 :10 am
bing gui ren ding
chen si zi mao
Difference in gender, birth hour and country of origin.
I appreciate that Gmuli has lent you a big hand in analyzing your chart :) :)
Hi @JLim,
After you mentioned, I went to search for his thread. So technically, we have the same year, month and day pillars. The only difference lies with the hour pillar.
There must be some conflicts in my 3 pillars with my hour pillar, which he doesn’t, since I wasn’t born into a super wealthy family like him?
He also has rob wealth and friend in his month pillar. Since he’s a man, it affected him in the way that he says he lost his wealth in 2019. Whilst since I am a woman, it affected me in the event of a failed marriage? Not sure if I am correct to interpret like this.
He posted in 2020, so I assumed he was having a super bad period in 2019/2020. And it reminded me that I was actually contemplating whether to continue with my life in 2020. So there seems to have some similarities yet quite different. I do hope that his life gets better already!
And yes, gmuli helped alot in the analysis! And you too, if you didn’t mention, I wouldn’t have known my hour pillar is ji wei instead of geng shen. Thank you!!
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Actually, these days more and more people are selecting “auspicious date and time” to deliver their babies so as to ensure they are born with good bazi. Isn’t this going against the cycle? And eventually majority of the people will be born with generally good smooth sailing life?
I don't think it can be against the system. Its the opposite I think, if at a time there are tools for that, means the experiences at that place will just be 'less' intense then in other places. I think that is ok and usually on purpose. If more intense experiences are needed, then for some reason the systems or practitioners will deteriorate, so they won't do a good work. More freedom then. : )
Overall, it all fits into the system, its rare something can go outside. Currently, the Earth and humanity are going through a lot and that will just become worse. So a lot of 'tools' to help that will likely be available in the years to come. Five Arts reaching wider use in the world could be part of that.
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JLim:
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Yes, it’s hard to check who are the “volunteers”. But I doubt I am one, since I feel quite affected by my bazi chart. If not, I probably gotten a bad deal in negotiation.
hehe, no I think it just wasn't very well thought through, thinking about it now there are even more reasons in other cases to be affected more by the chart(haven't handled that experiences before , as many are typical for here). So no idea how to say just from bazi, really.
I get some parts of this may not seem usable in practice, but in my humble view without this practice will always have spots in can't cover, events it misses etc.
As there are higher processes that align some of these stuff and knowing them it goes smoother. While without it it will missalign here and there, even with awesome systems at place.
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Actually, these days more and more people are selecting “auspicious date and time” to deliver their babies so as to ensure they are born with good bazi. Isn’t this going against the cycle? And eventually majority of the people will be born with generally good smooth sailing life?
I don't think it can be against the system. Its the opposite I think, if at a time there are tools for that, means the experiences at that place will just be 'less' intense then in other places. I think that is ok and usually on purpose. If more intense experiences are needed, then for some reason the systems or practitioners will deteriorate, so they won't do a good work. More freedom then. : )
Overall, it all fits into the system, its rare something can go outside. Currently, the Earth and humanity are going through a lot and that will just become worse. So a lot of 'tools' to help that will likely be available in the years to come. Five Arts reaching wider use in the world could be part of that.
Hi @Gmuli ,
Yes, do agree that it's probably rare that something can go outside. Speaking from experience, I did have my life read before many many year ago in my 20s. And I must say, some events are just meant to be, cannot be avoided no matter how. Good if bad experiences can be avoided but it also depends if you have luck and fate with the professional/practitioner who can advise "correctly".
Just wondering are there any cases where the bazi and probably other components of fivearts ie palmistry, face reading contradict each other?
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HI @Sadsagi
I read your chart as strong daymaster
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hiba_Tawaji she is also same chart but yin jia hour
your chart is better than mine because I think:
1.your mother have strong health not cancer like mine 2023 was an disaster year -because from @JLim our mother is mao-but in your chart is wei that harm zi and eliminate contradiction in termn of money and health of mohter in both chart our money machine is mao
2.you are not super strong daymaster like me you have wei mao better than me-than zi chen -which make a person strong in water with strong competion.
3.you easily have more recognition
4.your lp are better than mine 2 lp s are good for me till 41 years xu and you lp because clash zi
a question for all master s if the lp are wood and bad for her is because of ji wei hour pillar and why are super good for me when meet any lp to be my chart robwealth that use wealth and need jia or wood in the stem for my chart and for her chart to be a 7k that need metal to control 7k
I know a military chinesse general with her chart exactly I forgot the name -which was very powerful in medieval empire of china-now that her chart can t be a robwealth structure that use wealth like mine ! I am very sure!
than what type of structure she has?
thank you in advance
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Hi @Goldman random an opinion about what structure is my chart same chart with her but I am male and bing chen hour is my hour of birth!
what structure is read rob wealth that use wealth
what is the element that make my chart to work to be bing and jia and yi sometimes wu is good since block ren zi pillar that s why 2018 i give a blow for young generation-huge succes I have and suddeleny fall in 2019 2020 2021!JUST SUDDENLY!
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hi @Sadsagi
you had some problem in 2016 also then also 2019 with your man because for both of us for you the man is wu inside si and for me my women is insited si because of bing,when hai arrive or shen-this ap =annual pillar or lp=luck pillar will remove the root of the marriage,imagine a strong tree=your marriage without root ,when si will be in great phase or wu inside si like 2016 2016 2017 will be great for your love life
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have a big question for all master ren ding combine into wood
then both chart s become weak water!
or solid pilllar ren zi will just combine but not let ding ren transform into wood!?i am very curios!how we can check the theory in real life
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HI @Sadsagi
I read your chart as strong daymaster
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hiba_Tawaji she is also same chart but yin jia hour
your chart is better than mine because I think:
1.your mother have strong health not cancer like mine 2023 was an disaster year -because from @JLim our mother is mao-but in your chart is wei that harm zi and eliminate contradiction in termn of money and health of mohter in both chart our money machine is mao
2.you are not super strong daymaster like me you have wei mao better than me-than zi chen -which make a person strong in water with strong competion.
3.you easily have more recognition
4.your lp are better than mine 2 lp s are good for me till 41 years xu and you lp because clash zi
a question for all master s if the lp are wood and bad for her is because of ji wei hour pillar and why are super good for me when meet any lp to be my chart robwealth that use wealth and need jia or wood in the stem for my chart and for her chart to be a 7k that need metal to control 7k
I know a military chinesse general with her chart exactly I forgot the name -which was very powerful in medieval empire of china-now that her chart can t be a robwealth structure that use wealth like mine ! I am very sure!
than what type of structure she has?
thank you in advance
Hi @nin99,
I don't think my chart is better than yours. I think both our charts have both good as well as challenges. (ie you are born into a super wealthy family.)
And no, my mother does not have strong health. She has weak constitution all along. (And went through 2 operations so far in her life.)
Anyway, my chart seems quite "bad" for love and friendships, even though I have suitors of all kinds (lan taohua). haha.
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Hi @Sadsagi ,
I would like to give your chart a try:
There is a natural 丁壬 combination on the 天干 row.
This combination will last a lifetime and is undoable.
This will explain for your life-long ill fate of crossing paths with 小人 and perhaps on issues with your family as well.
壬 represent peers (friends, colleagues, people of same generation as you), and includes siblings and cousins when it comes to family.
丁 represents things of value to you, in this case I believe it will be narrowed down to money and your time/effort spent.
Age 20-30 is governed mainly by the 甲寅 LP.
甲 wood would combine with 己 earth on HS, reducing energy on both.
In TCM POV, wood represents liver and gallbladder, and earth represents your digestive system.
I am wondering if the poor health you mentioned during this period is related to any of the above?
Apart from health, 甲, your expressive self is also getting reduced while dealing with 己, your relationship with your ex-spouse, which in turn also gets affected.
For the "helping your spouse get rich" effect, I think it could be explained by the 卯 (ability to express your talents) growing 巳 (wealth) growing 未 (your ex-spouse) in the EB.
In 2020, there is a 乙庚 combine between the Annual HS and LP HS.
庚 is your support element, 乙 is your expressive element.
The combine reduces the luck on both.
I am unable to determine how this plays out in real life.
Was it something to do with your mother, since support element relates to mother?
Or did the lawsuit started somewhere here?
Because support element represents one's reputation and lawsuits are detrimental to one's reputation.
In 2021, 己 (ex-spouse) grows 辛 (lawsuit) to clash 乙 (to silence you) in HS.
I think the potential lawsuit more likely to start brewing here.
In EB, 子 (peer) combine with 丑 (ex-spouse), which should explain the third party affair.
In 2022, war continues.
Additional 壬 (friend) into the already existing 丁壬 combination, explaining the backstab and extort by a friend.
乙 (your actions) clashes with 己 (ex-spouse) - whatever you were doing put a curb on your ex-spouse.
I am unable to see where the 贵人 appears though.
2023, is a bad year for you in general.
The 癸 appearance in annual pillar HS creates a DM 出干 circumstance, and when a month's HS element clashes with it, your DM is directly injured.
June and July might have been the worst points for 2023.
Judging from when you started this post, it coincides roughly with the "disaster" point, with July 己 clashing the 癸.
So maybe why you started seeking answers from fortune telling?
Regarding family:
Because of the 丁壬 combination, I am guessing the problematic members you are having are siblings / cousins (same generation).
And it is related to the time/effort and money you spent on them.
As for relationship with your parents, it is easy to see from your natal chart.
There is no support element in your natal chart, which means you have no especially great relationship with your mother.
It does not have to be bad, it means the relationship is flat.
You have 2 wealth elements in your natal chart, and wealth luck = relationship with father.
Which is why your relationship with your father is better than the one you have with your mother.
Regarding the guys you attract:
Earth is your luck with guys.
Your natal chart has 2 earths (己 and 未), which is fine, but they also happen to be 7K, which is the indirect version of 官.
The indirect version tend to have more affinity with 坏坏男生 than prim and proper guys.
Regarding your expressiveness:
According to your natal chart, the single wood 卯 represents your expressiveness and likely your interest in arts.
This is a healthy amount.
But the years from ages 19-38 sees the addition of 2 more wood in the LP.
I am thinking this is how you are able to dress with an "atas" vibe without even trying.
It should wane off a little come 2026 when your current Luck Pillar ends.
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Solutions
Regarding friends:
Your ill-fated luck of losing time and money to bad friends / siblings is fixed.
However, any outcome comprises of 天, 地, 人.
Your Bazi only tells you what 天 determined.
Proper execution of 地 and 人 can be taken to fight back against destiny and course correct.
地 is 风水, but is not my forte.
You can try the 8 mansions/palace approach and see if correcting the luck at places related to you will work.
人 is the actions you take.
You are already do it by being cautious about the friends you keep and keeping their reach away from private matters.
I understand it is very tiring and demotivating to not be able to form close friendships, but fighting against destiny is never easy.
Regarding love:
The upcoming 2026 to 2035 Luck Pillar seems very promising with the introduction of a 辰 in the EB.
This brings a total of 3 earth elements and an increase in love luck.
This 辰 is also Direct 官 instead of 7K, which shows promise of a nice, well behaved guy coming into your life.
However, this 辰 will also clash with your 子 (friend luck), which can mean this guy can be creating some obstacles to your friendship with others.
Given your luck with friends, this might not be a bad thing.
Instead of confiding with friends, you can confide with your future spouse instead,
This reduces the over reliance on friends, hence allowing you to keep them from affecting your private matters, especially money.
This potential spouse may also be blocking your friend relations out of goodwill after learning your backstory, but I am just guessing.
The "making spouse rich" effect seems to continue with 丙 fire growing 己 earth in the HS and 巳 growing 辰未 in the EB.
Regarding career:
Your 官 luck governs both love and career.
So the 2026 to 2035 Luck Pillar is also good if you are working under employment.
As for which industry is better, it is hard confirm because nowadays jobs are multi-facetted and encompasses different elements.
From a simplified view, jobs related to same DM element should be compatible for you.
Your DM is water, so water-related jobs are compatible for you.
However, you don't have to work with actual water per se.
The essence of water is things that flow.
So wealth management still fits the bill, with the flow of money.
But it also depends on what areas of a wealth management job are you working on.
If you are actually managing the flow of money, then yes, it is water-based.
If you are just doing the paperwork and following a process, then it is more 官, but that is ok too since your 官 luck is stronger in next Luck Pillar.
If you are making critical investment decisions to ensure good returns, then perhaps your wealth luck (fire) comes into significant play also.
Since your 丁 is gone on the natal chart, you have to rely on 巳 or more fire coming in on the Luck and Annual Pillars.
2026 to 2035 introduces 丙 on the HS, which is great.
Hope this helps.
Feel free to critique to as well.
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Hi @Sadsagi ,
I do have issues with digestive system especially gastric issues. Plus, I was prone to viral infections leading to neurological issues during that period. Interestingly, my health got alot better after the divorce.
This is just me trying to map TCM to Bazi. I know there tend to be some links, but I am not sure how accurate. Nice to see there really is some connection. But the main thing is that you got better after the divorce - could very well be just a psychological thing.
I am not sure if it is related. But I relocated to another country for my ex-spouse career in late 2019. (is it related to earth element?)
Third party already appeared in his life around Aug 2019.
The divorce lawsuit happened in late 2020.
I can't see the relocation specifically in 2019 for you. Typically moving will involve support element being affected (metal for you), but there isn't any. The "make-your-spouse-rich" effect is present though, with 卯x2 growing 巳 growing 未. I guess you readily making the bold move is represented by the 卯 (expressiveness), 巳 is for his wealth through, I guess, the success of his career, and 未 is him.
As for the 3rd party, if you weren't aware at that point in Aug 2019, it might not reflect in your chart, but should reflect in his.
Divorce lawsuit happened in Oct-Nov 2020? That month is 丙 fire in HS and will clash onto the 庚, which may be the representation of damage to reputation.
A friend backstabbed and extorted me in early 2021.
An acquaintance of mine was ready to testify in court that ex-spouse has been using intimidating tactics (including frivolous lawsuits) to cripple me financially so I will give up my share of assets. (Not sure if this acquaintance is counted as gui ren? Because ex spouse dropped the lawsuit immediately after knowing I have a witness.)
Then the backstabbing could be explained by the default 丁壬 combination.
Not sure if the 贵人 can be explained by the 子 feeding 寅 in the branch…(friend boosting your power to fight the case?)
I realise when I start to narrow too far down to specific dates / mini time periods, my reading struggle to maintain accuracy…This I am still trying to improve.
Does it mean 2024 might also be promising? I see that AP also has 辰? It will definitely be a good thing if my potential spouse is nice and reliable who can also "protect" me from petty people, haha. But, how do I identify him? (I was being told before I will most likely end up with a foreigner much older than me. But I am keeping an open mind.)
Yes, 2024 also has a 辰 boosting, but in HS, 甲 combines with 己, reducing the earth energy again. Because of this conflicting outlook, I am not confident of concluding whether it will be good or bad regarding love. It could be 2 separate events, or it could also be about the same guy. Also, controlling element represents both luck with guys and your career luck. So it is hard to tell. But if you are trying to find the right partner, continue to do so. Bazi is never 100%. Just that 2026 onwards, love luck is more unanimously in your favour.
I can't go to the extent of identifying whether X person is the destined one using Bazi. I don't think any Bazi school can. Might need to use divination methods (奇门遁甲? 六爻?) to give you that kind of specificity. I am not proficient in them.
And also the "making spouse rich" effect, does it mean one will usually end up with a financially-challenged/mediocre guy who will only become wealthy later on (but I might not enjoy his fruits of labour)?
No, not so specific, at least with my Bazi technique. Maybe the other forums regulars are able to formulate it with other Bazi style. My style analyses a time period for good and bad luck omen, on whichever life aspect you are interested in. Whether the guy becomes wealthy or not, I need to look at that guy's chart. Whether or not you get to enjoy his fruits of labour is even more diificult for me, as it can be seen as love luck, wealth luck, or both. I can help you tell when yours's are higher, but whether it is coming from the spouse, it is hard to tell to that specificity.
Regarding the direct 官 and 7K, I realised, I knew my ex-spouse in late 2012, got married in late 2015. According to AP, 2012 is ren chen with DO. 2015 is yi wei with 7K. Does it mean ex-spouse is one of the 7K (bad guys)? Just trying to see if I can identify bad guys by when they appear in my life.
No, 7K is just slight affinity toward guys with "bad boys / bad guys" vibe. It's not a guarantee as you can see that 辰 was DO and when married, luck was 7K. Example: my wife has 2x 7K in her chart like you, but I am a prim and proper type of guy. But in her growing up days, she crossed paths with 怪叔叔 and some ill-intent guys who wanted to take advantage of her. She has no interest in them, she just have stronger luck crossing paths with these kinds. So it's just affinity to meet, it does not mean you will end up with them, unless you make an active choice to do so.
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Hi @aeonrel, thank you so much for your reply! Apologies for the late response.
"I can't see the relocation specifically in 2019 for you. Typically moving will involve support element being affected (metal for you), but there isn't any. The "make-your-spouse-rich" effect is present though, with 卯x2 growing 巳 growing 未. I guess you readily making the bold move is represented by the 卯 (expressiveness), 巳 is for his wealth through, I guess, the success of his career, and 未 is him.
As for the 3rd party, if you weren't aware at that point in Aug 2019, it might not reflect in your chart, but should reflect in his.
Divorce lawsuit happened in Oct-Nov 2020? That month is 丙 fire in HS and will clash onto the 庚, which may be the representation of damage to reputation."
I am curious about how the "make your spouse rich" effect works? Are there are any pre existing criteria/condition that my spouse need to have in his bazi to enjoy this effect? Or literally, I can have this effect on any guy who becomes my spouse? (In the event if I married a guy whose bazi is incompatible to mine, will I still have this effect on him?)
Apparently, I did have his bazi read before by a practitioner and his chart did not reflect any 3rd party. And, he does seem rather different from his bazi reading. I did not pursue it further since his life is none of my business anymore, haha.
And yes, divorce lawsuit happens around Nov 2020.
"Then the backstabbing could be explained by the default 丁壬 combination.
Not sure if the 贵人 can be explained by the 子 feeding 寅 in the branch…(friend boosting your power to fight the case?)
I realise when I start to narrow too far down to specific dates / mini time periods, my reading struggle to maintain accuracy…This I am still trying to improve."
How do I see if I have any natural 贵人 yuan despite having life long ill fate of 小人?
"Yes, 2024 also has a 辰 boosting, but in HS, 甲 combines with 己, reducing the earth energy again. Because of this conflicting outlook, I am not confident of concluding whether it will be good or bad regarding love. It could be 2 separate events, or it could also be about the same guy. Also, controlling element represents both luck with guys and your career luck. So it is hard to tell. But if you are trying to find the right partner, continue to do so. Bazi is never 100%. Just that 2026 onwards, love luck is more unanimously in your favour.
I can't go to the extent of identifying whether X person is the destined one using Bazi. I don't think any Bazi school can. Might need to use divination methods (奇门遁甲? 六爻?) to give you that kind of specificity. I am not proficient in them."
Sure, will continue to meet more people and hopefully meet the right partner by then.
"No, 7K is just slight affinity toward guys with "bad boys / bad guys" vibe. It's not a guarantee as you can see that 辰 was DO and when married, luck was 7K. Example: my wife has 2x 7K in her chart like you, but I am a prim and proper type of guy. But in her growing up days, she crossed paths with 怪叔叔 and some ill-intent guys who wanted to take advantage of her. She has no interest in them, she just have stronger luck crossing paths with these kinds. So it's just affinity to meet, it does not mean you will end up with them, unless you make an active choice to do so."
Ah I see. Ok, I understand what you mean by the 怪叔叔 and ill-intent guys, it is like cupid arrow shooting everywhere without yourself knowing.
If you don't mind me asking, is there anything I need to pay extra attention to for remaining 2023?
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Hi @Sadsagi ，
I just recently learnt some traditional Bazi 神煞 stars while reading for others, so I can better tell the relocation chances:
It is determined by the travelling horse star. It is determined by looking at the branches of your natal chart Day and Year pillar. For your Year 卯 branch, the corresponding travelling horse star is a 巳. For your Day 巳 branch, the corresponding traveling horse star is a 亥. If a travelling horse star is found in your natal chart, then there is chance you will be leaving your hometown. For the 卯巳 pair, since the 巳 is found in the Day Pillar, it means leaving hometown around adulthood, which fits your timeline. Secondly, 2019 is 亥 year, which fulfills the 巳亥 pairing and increases the number of traveling horse stars that period, making the relocation likelihood very high, which turns out to be true.
I am curious about how the "make your spouse rich" effect works? Are there are any pre existing criteria/condition that my spouse need to have in his bazi to enjoy this effect? Or literally, I can have this effect on any guy who becomes my spouse? (In the event if I married a guy whose bazi is incompatible to mine, will I still have this effect on him?)
The way I read Bazi…is simply whether your elemental flow happens to feed into the spouse star. So in your case, yes, any guy, even incompatible, as long it is your spouse. This effect, or any other Bazi effects is only for the chart bearer only.
And yes, divorce lawsuit happens around Nov 2020.
Good to have some feedback that the reading was accurate :)
How do I see if I have any natural 贵人 yuan despite having life long ill fate of 小人?
贵人缘 is typically governed by the support element, in your case, metal. But the support element does not only refers to 贵人. The support element governs a wide variety of life areas that gives you support, i.e. mother, house, reputation, medical treatments, education, social status and also
贵人. So the best you can do when you need a 贵人 is to wait for support elements to appear in your chart, remains unharm and not harming other elements, and hope it is a 贵人 and not other aspects of support.
If you don't mind me asking, is there anything I need to pay extra attention to for remaining 2023?
Having a frustrating month, aye? It's because of the 卯 in your Year Pillar, Luck Pillar and Annual Pillar. Last month and current month are both metal months. Metal clashes wood, so all 3 of you卯 wood are gone. Wood is your expressive element, so when your expressiveness is curbed badly, you will feel very frustated, feels like being imprisoned by whatever you are dealing with, urge to give up and escape those problems. Since metal is your support element, source of problem should be related to the areas governed by support luck.
October will continue this curbed feeling, but this time in relation to your controlling element, meaning either work or some male that you are in contact with.
November will be a bad month as your Day Master will come under direct clash. Everything will feel unlucky.
Things will be back to normal after that (perhaps due to the holiday season anyway).
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Hi @Sadsagi ,
Ah I see, does it only applies to relocation? (I remembered other than the relocation, I was travelling almost every month in 2019.) So I need to watch out for any 亥 in my LP because relocation likelihood for that year is high? How about if it's 巳 year, does it increases the likelihood as well?
Both 亥 and 巳 appearing in your LP or AP increases the likelihood.
Does not always have to apply to relocation.
Another forumer had a similar travelling star chart but did not relocate, had very frequent travels instead.
So it depends.
Typically if the traveling star occurs natively in the natal chart, perhaps relocation is stronger.
Then the effects reduces if it comes from LP, and even less in AP.
AP could mean a short trip in the year itself, that's all.
But these are never set in stone, just increased possibilities.
If the situation is right, perhaps just 1 traveling star in the AP can cause you to relocate.
ok, noted on that. I assumed the moment I split with my spouse, this "effect" will no longer apply on him anymore.
Yup.
He could get it from someone else though.
Not that it is your problem any more ;D
haha, terrible is an understatement for September. Nothing goes right (Social, health, wealth all affected.)
Thank you for the heads up, I cannot imagine November will be worse.
Now you know the possibility of something bad, just lay out and don't take risky bets during that period.
That is how all these destiny tools should be used: you may not be able to change the future, but knowing allows you to make wiser choices to capitalize on the good luck and reduce suffering from the bad.
And hopefully that will lead to a better life than not knowing.
Also, the elements will come and go, so eventually the good days will come :)
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This actually do seem to work(traveling star stuff).
I ignored it in the past, because in my chart it didn't lead to relocation while it had multiple images of it(don't want to post chart, though).
But it seems it doesn't always mean physical relocation, if the star is connected to void can mean other things I guess.
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@Gmuli ,
Interesting.
The void is one of the things that I have very little knowledge about the effects.
Thanks for the heads-up, will read up more on it.
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Someone asked whether he could reach a powerful position in corporate world a while ago. Then he deleted the topic.
The problem is, his resource and wealth elements fell into void. Seems like he's more suitable for spirituality and arts.
Void resource in the month branch could be a sign that he performed badly at school. If it's true, then he should beware of void wealth in the hour branch...
I'm not sure about entertainment because it's very close to commercial world and greed, which he should avoid. However, entertainment is also identical to fame, which often deemed as vain and empty. So, he should aim for fame as an intangible asset, not climbing corporate ladder.
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@Gmuli ,
Interesting.
The void is one of the things that I have very little knowledge about the effects.
Thanks for the heads-up, will read up more on it.
Sure. Good news is once you get used to it, its kinda the same in many other systems too. : )
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Well, Stems are outside, what people can see. Branches without Stems in the sequence, mean people won't see you.
Its not the end of the world. My best 10 year LP was coming from 7K hour in void branch... Although here situation is more complex, we always have a choice. And for many their life turned around at their worse times...
So these are all tendencies. Our choices decide if it will be the worse 10 years or the best ones I think.
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@Sadsagi ,
Yea... + some inclination for loneliness in old age, or fewer kids, or more girls than boys when having kids.
But like @Gmuli said, these are just tendencies.
Now you know, you can make smarter decisions to prevent / change / prepare for it.
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avoid to think too much!
everyday running 45 minutes to connect wth wood energy ,learn tai chi-do 30 minute s
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Eat foods that support healthy digestion.
Trataka (candle gazing)
Exercise/sweat (physically build heat in the body)
Find passions.
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I think people doesn't have as much free will as they think they do, for some stuff.
Yet they have much more for other stuff...
Have to see what the experience/lesson is, what is played out in each case... Then can decide.
As a wise creature once said, we all play the cards we are dealt.
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Hi @Sadsagi ,
You can share his chart here for forumers to evaluate, if you want.
I'm personally not the best when I comes to compatibility judgement using Bazi rules, I can only judge based on personality after Ten Gods assessment, but I'm pretty sure the rest here can give a thorough evaluation.
I think it is ok to be careful and a bit more picky about who you end up with as you age.
You don't want to keep spending time running through trial-and-error relationships.
Might as well use all the tools you have at your disposal to save time, such as Bazi evaluation for compatibility.
If it looks promising, you can take it further.
If it doesn't, then might as well not waste each party's time.
But this is entirely up to you.
I understand from certain angle, it doesn't feel ethical.
So it is up to your comfort level.
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@Sadsagi location of birth?
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Well, you know what you want. : )
Bazi may have its problems, but its good starting point, usually.
I don't, personally, believe one can go so beyond their chart, to be able to make a happy marriage in long term if its totally against the elements. And I've tested a lot of stuff to see how much we can change a chart, from meditations that doesn't make ripples in the elements, to attunements that change stems and branches, to doing it with focus in everyday events, to let fields hold other arrangements and much more...
All can change it to some degree, but its not good idea to change it much in my view, now. I'm just letting it stay in the default way last few years.
There are reasons for all this, however, and its not what it seems,but this is waay too long and complex to go into in a forum post.
My idea is - you know what is important for you. Make sense to follow that in this case and see where it leads.
The rest... Well, there is more. There are other points of view to this, that will show it in very different light. Then the choice would be based on other stuff, in many cases, but that will need you to know stuff that maybe you don't know, and its not the place, or it seems also the time for that now.
So with this setup I guess wise move may be to forget the bad chart guy and can aim for someone else more suited to what you want. As that is the logical choice from that point of view I think.
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@Sadsagi ,
Partial chart attached but without the Hour Pillar, can't tell anything for sure.
There is a triangular combination to create fire in this LP of his...but whether this is good or bad, still can't conclude without Hour Pillar.
I have to agree with @Gmuli though - if your gut feel tells you the relationship is wonky...then you don't need Bazi to tell you what to do.
You can make the right decisions for yourself.
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@Sadsagi ,
I interacted more with him for the past 1 month and realised that, he seems to have the values & morals I was looking for, but something feels off. Perhaps I would prefer a guy who is really smart I can look up to, instead of just appearing to be smart. (Not sure if it's possible to see such things from a person's 3 pillars only.)
For healthy amount of moral values, I would look out for Support elements, 1-2 max in a chart, and preferably Direct Support.
If more than 2, a person inclines towards too much thinking and reduced actions, which is typically unfavourable, unless you like a thinker, not a doer.
For the guy in question, unless his Hour Pillar has Wood, otherwise his moral values are average.
He can seem to be still fit the criteria, because he has 2 Yang fires in his main chart, which is a strong level of friendliness, and can throw off a person's judgement because he can seem like a nice guy up front.
For intelligence, it can manifest is many ways through the different Ten Gods:
- Indirect Support - Can seem randomly intelligent because they have a knack for thinking of out the box.
- Direct Wealth - Strongest manifestation of intelligence because of strong inclination to achieve one's desires, so their decision making is geared towards beneficial outcomes as priority.
- Indirect Wealth - Alternative to Direct Wealth, but through unconventional thinking, so they will seem creative and able to think out of the box. But unlike Indirect Support, they are not just thinking wild thoughts, but unconventional approaches to achieve results.
- Direct Expression (Food God) - Talented, and depending on which area he is talented in, may seem intelligent.
- Indirect Expression (Hurting Officer) - Alternative to Direct Expression, but louder, more expressive on the outside, like a comedian, who is able to throw back witty responses very quickly, and may seem intelligent that way.
The rest of the Ten Gods, I don't think makes it into the list for display of intelligence.
Does it mean if it is bad, too much fire means bad tempered?
Not necessarily conclusive like that.
Have to see which Ten Gods it comes under.
Likely overly-strong fire Rob Wealth, Hurting Officer and/or 7k will be more bad tempered.
I also realised something, quite a number of guys who expressed interest in me are born either in the year of rooster (which I am not keen on) or horse. From my chart, is there a way to tell what chart a guy needs to preferably have in order for us to complement each other? (ie what animal/wealth element he needs to have in his pillars?)
Not sure about this.
I don't typically like to use elements alone to tell compatibility - not conclusive enough, so it bears risks.
I'd rather work out the personality through a complete chart reading, then decide if that personality is suitable.
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For the guy in question, unless his Hour Pillar has Wood, otherwise his moral values are average.
One of the first steps in almost all spiritual systems, in my view, is the deep understanding that morality is probably the greatest obstacle in ones spiritual development. Have to let it go, early on, or there is no space for spiritual development at all.
(important to clarify that religions, most of them anyway, are not seen as spiritual systems, of course)
Doesn't mean people there are "Bad", however, but there is other way of response that is sought that is based on our true nature and goes beyond premade rules.
As far as everyday social life goes, in most cities I'm aware of, however, morality seems needed. Last thing we need is the md healing us to be immoral, or the retail shop owner to be... As they won't have spiritual path to replace that qualities, so in most cases will just be unpleasant experience until they settle on one of those.
Anyway, this is very complex and long topics, just seem fair to mention that 'morality' is one of the things looked drastically different depending at what step one is in their path.