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Re: Quiz 17- Is good to take Fu Zi (Chinese Herbal medicine) or not ?
« Reply #5 on: March 17, 2018, 05:55:50 PM »
The medicine is not very powerful type, but it can help him.

Analysis:
You changes to Xu, and Xu in turn produces You. 
You is Yuan Shen (Source God) of the Yong Shen! 
You as moving line can produce Zi, which is the medicine (Yong Shen). 

Chen Self is strong in Wei month, while medicine is strong in Zi day.
Illness 6th Line is weak by Month and Day.

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Re: Quiz 17- Is good to take Fu Zi (Chinese Herbal medicine) or not ?
« Reply #6 on: March 17, 2018, 08:12:21 PM »
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子孙临日辰,酉金兄动以相生。
Offspring is lin with the Day. You metal brothers yao moves and produces [Offspring ].
服用一剂,保管立愈。
To take one dose, certainly will heal.
医家先用干姜汤试之,少刻开言,肚疼之甚。
Recently a Doctor used Gan Jiang Tang [ a dry Ginger Formula ] , and short while [patient ] complained with extreme bellyaches.
余曰:“何如?快服此药。
Master Yu said : why this ? Take this medicine quickly.
”医家加减调理一夜,次日早愈。
此人之不死也。
This person is not taken conveniently.
因我出门,子孙发动一卦而断定矣。
[said ] i go to a journey, when offspring start mobilising [fa dong] in the first hexagram will make a judgment.
厥后连占数卦,合而参之,方敢用大热之剂,起死回生。
Later on i analysed the hexagram, join [adding !!] with Ginseng, daring to use this dose prescription that cause great Heat , will cause unexpected recovery.
不然,一剂凉药,寒上加寒,能于治耶?
otherwise , one dose of cool Medicinal, upon trembling apply for Cold [ pathogen ], how could be capable to control [this situation ] ?
觉子曰:此卦酉金兄动以生子孙,服此热药而病愈者,若使前贤见之,又以酉金兄爻而为药矣。
Ziao Zi Said: this Hexagram with moving You metal yao produce the Offspring Yao, to take this Medical prescription and recover from illness, seems like to make something worthy or virtuous, also using You metal Brother yao as Medicine also.
李我平曰:凡卜药,亦有当卜之道,或医家治临危之症,欲投此药,可以起死回生,惟恐一失,关系不小。
Li also said: ordinarily using divination for medicinals, is as to handle with the way [Dao], perhaps physicians make treatments for deathly diseases and for [mild ] illness, those who desire to relay themselves on medicines , have a good chance for unexpected recovery, lest one dose, the close connection is big.
得子孙动者,必喜悦也,即可用之,用而必效。
Obtaining offspring moving yao , certainly there will be happiness, this [yao ] can be useful, useful and effective.

或泛海行舟,或长途穷旅,无处寻医,有人传一奇方,占得子孙动者,其方必效。
Perhaps you floating on the ocean with a boat, maybe travelling long exhausting travel, and nowhere there is a medicine to take , someone circulate a strange medical prescription, you make a divination and obtain Offspring moving yao , this medical prescription certainly is effective.
或半夜更深,延医不及,检点古方及家藏药散,实对此症,不敢擅用,不可不占,皆以子孙为用神,但得子孙持世,子孙发动,服之立可解忧。
Maybe  the middle of the deep night , delay medicine, checking by divination where is the home medicine hidden, definitely maybe heal this disease, dare not to use, all offspring yaos
taken as useful God, still Offspring is on Self yao , the Offspring is a moving yao [ fa dong], serve to stand for worry [ anxiety or melancholy].

此诸占之子孙者,不拘金木水火土也,或旺或动,即为喜悦之神,盖用此方,见效而喜,不效,何喜之有?
Various divinations [for medicines ] having offspring yao, whatever [EB element ] wood, fire, earth, metal, water, maybe flourishing qi phase or moving, would be considered as happy God, highly useful for Medicines, this have a desired effect on happiness, if not effective what will be the joy ?
切不可又以金临子孙而用针,火属子孙而用灸,反致错误。
Definitely should not Offspring being facing with Metal when [using Acupuncture therapy], or fire when Offspring being facing with use of Moxibustion therapy, contrary to these is a mistake.
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The Prescription of Ganjiang Fuzi Tang
Source
The book Shang Han Lun

Ingredients
Gan Jiang 60 g,
Raw Fu Zi 5 g.


Explanation
Fu zi [radix aconiti praeparata, 附子]
Fu Zi: Restoring yang from collapse, reinforcing fire and strengthening yang, dispelling cold to alleviate pain.


Gan jiang [rhizoma zingiberis, 干姜]
Gan Jiang: Warming the lung and dispelling cold so as to eliminate retained phlegm and warming up the spleen-Yang to remove dampness.

The Effect of Ganjiang Fuzi Tang

Restoring yang from collapse.

Administrations
Decoct in water for oral dose to be taken three times a day.

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Re: Quiz 17- Is good to take Fu Zi (Chinese Herbal medicine) or not ?
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Re: Quiz 17- Is good to take Fu Zi (Chinese Herbal medicine) or not ?
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子孙临日辰,酉金兄动以相生。
Offspring is lin with the Day. You metal brothers yao moves and produces [Offspring ].
服用一剂,保管立愈。
To take one dose, certainly will heal.
医家先用干姜汤试之,少刻开言,肚疼之甚。
Recently a Doctor used Gan Jiang Tang [ a dry Ginger Formula ] , and short while [patient ] complained with extreme bellyaches.
余曰:“何如?快服此药。
Master Yu said : why this ? Take this medicine quickly.
”医家加减调理一夜,次日早愈。
此人之不死也。
This person is not taken conveniently.
因我出门,子孙发动一卦而断定矣。
[said ] i go to a journey, when offspring start mobilising [fa dong] in the first hexagram will make a judgment.
厥后连占数卦,合而参之,方敢用大热之剂,起死回生。
Later on i analysed the hexagram, join [adding !!] with Ginseng, daring to use this dose prescription that cause great Heat , will cause unexpected recovery.
不然,一剂凉药,寒上加寒,能于治耶?
otherwise , one dose of cool Medicinal, upon trembling apply for Cold [ pathogen ], how could be capable to control [this situation ] ?
觉子曰:此卦酉金兄动以生子孙,服此热药而病愈者,若使前贤见之,又以酉金兄爻而为药矣。
Ziao Zi Said: this Hexagram with moving You metal yao produce the Offspring Yao, to take this Medical prescription and recover from illness, seems like to make something worthy or virtuous, also using You metal Brother yao as Medicine also.
李我平曰:凡卜药,亦有当卜之道,或医家治临危之症,欲投此药,可以起死回生,惟恐一失,关系不小。
Li also said: ordinarily using divination for medicinals, is as to handle with the way [Dao], perhaps physicians make treatments for deathly diseases and for [mild ] illness, those who desire to relay themselves on medicines , have a good chance for unexpected recovery, lest one dose, the close connection is big.
得子孙动者,必喜悦也,即可用之,用而必效。
Obtaining offspring moving yao , certainly there will be happiness, this [yao ] can be useful, useful and effective.

或泛海行舟,或长途穷旅,无处寻医,有人传一奇方,占得子孙动者,其方必效。
Perhaps you floating on the ocean with a boat, maybe travelling long exhausting travel, and nowhere there is a medicine to take , someone circulate a strange medical prescription, you make a divination and obtain Offspring moving yao , this medical prescription certainly is effective.
或半夜更深,延医不及,检点古方及家藏药散,实对此症,不敢擅用,不可不占,皆以子孙为用神,但得子孙持世,子孙发动,服之立可解忧。
Maybe  the middle of the deep night , delay medicine, checking by divination where is the home medicine hidden, definitely maybe heal this disease, dare not to use, all offspring yaos
taken as useful God, still Offspring is on Self yao , the Offspring is a moving yao [ fa dong], serve to stand for worry [ anxiety or melancholy].

此诸占之子孙者,不拘金木水火土也,或旺或动,即为喜悦之神,盖用此方,见效而喜,不效,何喜之有?
Various divinations [for medicines ] having offspring yao, whatever [EB element ] wood, fire, earth, metal, water, maybe flourishing qi phase or moving, would be considered as happy God, highly useful for Medicines, this have a desired effect on happiness, if not effective what will be the joy ?
切不可又以金临子孙而用针,火属子孙而用灸,反致错误。
Definitely should not Offspring being facing with Metal when [using Acupuncture therapy], or fire when Offspring being facing with use of Moxibustion therapy, contrary to these is a mistake.
-------------------------------
The Prescription of Ganjiang Fuzi Tang
Source
The book Shang Han Lun

Ingredients
Gan Jiang 60 g,
Raw Fu Zi 5 g.


Explanation
Fu zi [radix aconiti praeparata, 附子]
Fu Zi: Restoring yang from collapse, reinforcing fire and strengthening yang, dispelling cold to alleviate pain.


Gan jiang [rhizoma zingiberis, 干姜]
Gan Jiang: Warming the lung and dispelling cold so as to eliminate retained phlegm and warming up the spleen-Yang to remove dampness.

The Effect of Ganjiang Fuzi Tang

Restoring yang from collapse.

Administrations
Decoct in water for oral dose to be taken three times a day.

so finally it was useful or not ? I m not sure to understand .  What does mean the parent 父母爻  xu fourth line from changed hex ?

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Re: Quiz 17- Is good to take Fu Zi (Chinese Herbal medicine) or not ?
« Reply #9 on: July 10, 2020, 12:15:14 AM »
so finally it was useful or not ? I m not sure to understand .  What does mean the parent 爢母爻  xu fourth line from changed hex ?

It seems that in spite of everything the medicine is effective (momentary relief), because Xu Parent is busy producing You Sibling (yuan shen), therefore it cannot harm Zi Offspring (medicine).

According to the original text it seems to suggest that Sibling can also be used as a "helper", as a secondary yong shen, or so I thought I understood.
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...also using You metal Brother yao as Medicine also.
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Re: Quiz 17- Is good to take Fu Zi (Chinese Herbal medicine) or not ?
« Reply #10 on: July 10, 2020, 07:20:42 AM »
Better you could say .. Yuan Shen  works as a partner of Yong Shen  ..
I don't find good idea to name Yuan  Shen "a second Yong Shen "... it seems like but isn't so ..
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Re: Quiz 17- Is good to take Fu Zi (Chinese Herbal medicine) or not ?
« Reply #11 on: July 10, 2020, 11:33:18 AM »
Fourth line Xu is originally Ji Shen.  And this is an example where Ji Shen (Annoying God) turns helpful instead. 

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Re: Quiz 17- Is good to take Fu Zi (Chinese Herbal medicine) or not ?
« Reply #12 on: July 10, 2020, 03:30:23 PM »
Better you could say .. Yuan Shen  works as a partner of Yong Shen  ..
I don't find good idea to name Yuan  Shen "a second Yong Shen "... it seems like but isn't so ..
..
I thought I suggested that. It's just that the classic text says: "also using You metal Brother yao as Medicine also"

If medicine (offspring) is yong shen, how can Sibling be medicine too?

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Re: Quiz 17- Is good to take Fu Zi (Chinese Herbal medicine) or not ?
« Reply #13 on: July 10, 2020, 03:39:12 PM »
.. as a partner

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Re: Quiz 17- Is good to take Fu Zi (Chinese Herbal medicine) or not ?
« Reply #14 on: July 10, 2020, 05:28:12 PM »
It's just that the classic text says: "also using You metal Brother yao as Medicine also"
The classical text is sometimes written like that.  The writer expects that the reader understands Brother/Siblings line is the Favorable God that strengthens the Useful God, or in Tientai's terminology the partner for the Useful God.

 

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