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Quote from: Gmuli on June 06, 2019, 01:43:28 PMI get what you mean... However, to be fair if you are living in Australia, need to learn Ancient Egyptian and there is no other source that you can use that is as good as the AAT(australian aboriginal tribesman) then of course most people will turn there, as there will be no other choice and they may not want to give up the whole idea, if they feel its for them.There is more to it than simply learning a bad form for your foundation.QuoteWith time if more sources show up things can be advanced, or cleared out etc. But if the decision is "bad source" or "no source" , most people here would aim for "bad source" in my view, as the people that will aim for "no source" even though they are probably the majority on Earth, they wouldn't be in forum for Bazi/WWG, as they wouldn't be trying to learn them...So if the question is should it be perfect to try it... I don't think we have perfect source for any of these systems in English books currently, so we use what we have... That is correct, each person will have a prefered source, some more perfect to themselves than others. It is the natural way of things.However, the end result is almost always the same. Those learning from a bad source, ends up capping their progression early and stifle their ability to advance after each of the natural progression points are reached. Advanced Five Arts has various natural barriers in place that for those without the proper foundation and knowledge, forever scramble during the climb and are unable to get over it.That is the reason why I strongly advise caution in using Super I Ching as your source. Unless if your goal is only to reproduce Super I Ching "rules" in software form.
I get what you mean... However, to be fair if you are living in Australia, need to learn Ancient Egyptian and there is no other source that you can use that is as good as the AAT(australian aboriginal tribesman) then of course most people will turn there, as there will be no other choice and they may not want to give up the whole idea, if they feel its for them.
With time if more sources show up things can be advanced, or cleared out etc. But if the decision is "bad source" or "no source" , most people here would aim for "bad source" in my view, as the people that will aim for "no source" even though they are probably the majority on Earth, they wouldn't be in forum for Bazi/WWG, as they wouldn't be trying to learn them...So if the question is should it be perfect to try it... I don't think we have perfect source for any of these systems in English books currently, so we use what we have...
I don't have any plans like that. However, my point was the problem is lack of alternative. We say Super I Ching is not a good source for foundation, easy to agree there as its easy to see parts of it doesn't make much sense... But then we see said that Gold Yarrows is not the best source either, then the Wild Crane may not be perfect... All this is fine by itself, but then if the question "ok, what is good" comes up, the answer just can't be silence...
As otherwise the only thing that this will accomplish is push away the few western peoples trying to learn this system. If all material available in English is described as bad and if attempt for finding good source is halted, then the message is clear - don't try to learn this, you can't do it with the info available... And that includes even Chinese sources at times...
And I don't mean specifically you by this, just the approach I see from time to time that seems to be one of the big problems with learning it in the west in my view. But it is the reason why if we look at free material with hundreds of examples and say to not use it, some replacement author/book/course or whatever as recommendation to be nice...
QuoteIn here we can say it starts in line 6 and continues in line 1, so whatever happens to line6 we can also see continue to line 1?However, I don't think it works everytime, did you mean that?No. "Linked" line theory has its own particular rules. Your example will not satisfy the conditions suggested to have them "linked".The theory proposes, that a line that transforms into a line that is next to the original line it transforms from, may be linked, but only in parituclar questions.The reasoning for this, is because under certain questions' circumstances, the lines will represent each other as they are so close to the source (the originating point) to which the lines move from; usually in this case yourself, or the focus. And from there, the continuing movement will show what the final resulting outcome will be after successive changes have transpired.So the following will work:_ _ yo_ _ h x_ _ c x_ _ ch_ _ y___ tThe question being about what this other person can help your legal matter as a witness. Since the object is c (chou) Earth, and it transforms into h (hai) Water, and the line directly above it is also a h (hai) Water that is moving, the theory suggests that this other person will initially cause a lot more trouble for you instead. This is because h (hai) Water, supports and combines with the y (yin) Wood on line two that is representing your legal issue.However, because this line is not finished (according to this theory), a further change, shown by the fifth lines h (hai) Water moving and transforming into yo (you) Metal, suggests that after a further event, this particular witness, will provide a way for you to break free of the legal matter that is causing you so much grief.This is just a fairly basic example of the "linked" idea in WWG, but the key thing people need to know, is that it is not applicable for all sorts of questions to the I Ching. Certain questions can never show a "linked" setup, because it is impossible for the Hexagram to show a "linked" outcome, whilst at the same time showing something completely opposite when the original question calls for it during an interpreation of a reading.An example of this:I suspect that I may be being framed for something bad that has happened at work by this person.Object moving in this case, combining with the Self, would indicate that the person this question was based on, is not the one framing them. As this line is in support of the Self line, whilst the line it transforms into supports and combines with the second line; y (yin) Wood that represents work.The fifth line moving and turning into yo (you) Metal, would indicate that someone who appears to be helping you, is actually the one backstabbing you instead.As you can see, the question asked will impact on usage, and is not a see it happen, see it everywhere type of rule.QuoteSo we have line 1&3 and lines 4&6, but when will it activate?Does it need the last line, or it can be with only these 2, and do they have to be moving/active etc. or it always is there if they are present?Also can the third part be any other line, active or not?If lines 1 and 3 are moving, and they transform into the line they need for the 3 way combination to happen, then there is nothing more needed to make it happen. It simply is. Same applies to lines 4 and 6.So for example:___ y x_ _ t_ _ sh x___ s_ _ w_ _ chLines 4 and 6 will transform into w (wu) Fire on line 4, and sh (Xu) Earth on line 6. These lines are all part of the "change" shown through the moving lines in the Hexagram, and hence have their own invevitability about them and their arrival. Since they all contain the 3 way combination parts already, lines 4 and 6, doesn't need a w (wu) Fire line to also appear elsewhere to make this 3 way combination happen.As for the rest of the basic rules for 3 way combinations, I'm sure someone else can chime in regarding them.
In here we can say it starts in line 6 and continues in line 1, so whatever happens to line6 we can also see continue to line 1?However, I don't think it works everytime, did you mean that?
So we have line 1&3 and lines 4&6, but when will it activate?Does it need the last line, or it can be with only these 2, and do they have to be moving/active etc. or it always is there if they are present?Also can the third part be any other line, active or not?
The question being about what this other person can help your legal matter as a witness. Since the object is c (chou) Earth, and it transforms into h (hai) Water, and the line directly above it is also a h (hai) Water that is moving, the theory suggests that this other person will initially cause a lot more trouble for you instead. This is because h (hai) Water, supports and combines with the y (yin) Wood on line two that is representing your legal issue.
The fifth line moving and turning into yo (you) Metal, would indicate that someone who appears to be helping you, is actually the one backstabbing you instead.
The theory proposes, that a line that transforms into a line that is next to the original line it transforms from, may be linked, but only in parituclar questions.
However, lately it brings very interesting question.I do realize its old topic, yet I think its fair to be here, as much of what we view here goes beyond a time frame of a few months, sometimes.The question is...Do I understand correctly that this can be part of the setting?
Yes, I understand, there have to be rules on it, yet the possibility is very useful by itself.Because if we can do that... Lets say we ask for health. Then we can say:Upper Trigram will show the affected Organ, the branch on the Self line shows how its affected(fire could be heat or inflammation, earth can be dampness etc.) and basically set where we want everything to be and if we use it consistently it will be accurate?In the facebook group I think there was example with something like that, but I can't find it now.
Then the question becomes where would the limitation come from...I would guess, as in each Upper Trigrams we always have the same 3 branches, logically we can't have any trigram with any self line... So that setting may run into purely mechanical problems, as both can't show at the same time.But then we have Self line as possibility in the lower trigram, so maybe it can work?