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Library => Liu Yao => Topic started by: Sacrar on October 31, 2020, 11:37:26 PM
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I asked about the next elections in USA on November 3.
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https://www.bright-hall.net/wwg/39,0,0,0,0,0,1,1,8,2020-10-31,22:33
- Self: Trump
- Other: Biden
* Other line (Biden) on November 3 will be clashed by the Month and Day of Xu. Hidden movement or broken line when double clash? when clashed it is said that it moves with half the energy. If it is clashed twice, is the line broken?
* Even if the Other's line moved secretly, it generates (sheng) the Self line.
* L2 Wu Official also moves by impulse of the Day and solar Time of inquiry (Wei/Wei), which could harm Self line, but Wu fire is at Rest (Xiu) and in the tomb of the Month. Also Wu fire is clashed by L6 Zi water Offspring. Self line is strong. Next days, days before the elections, Shen/You/Xu, benefit the Self line.
* Mao will be empty even for Tuesday 3rd, so it could not harm Other line.
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Sacrar, I believe you are the one who raised the hexagram. With which candidate do you identify yourself?
Double clash by the Month and Day would not favor the Others line (representing Biden's team) . That would not be "hidden movement".
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Hi @all f orumers ..
I would not involved on explanation of @Sacrar s Hexagram .. but waiting on today (a day before election ) to raise an Hexagram... !!
I favour Trump .. therefore Self 6th line .
Biden : Other 3rd line
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I have to say that Biden is going to win ..
later I put my analysis
Let's see
Best regards
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Tientai's hexagram:
Based on this hexagram, I also agree that Biden will win. Officer sits on the Others line, supported by Day You. Although Officer is overcome by Month, the Others line is still stronger than the Self line. Self line does not get any Qi from the Month or Day, does it?
Trump seems to "reject" winning because the Self line clashes the Officer line. Self line Si Fire is not only without Qi, but it's also not supported by Mao Wood. Mao Wood is in Kong Wang (void), and also without any Qi from Month or Day.
Mao Wood as Parent line represents the ballots. There may be some issues with the ballots/counting in this election.
I'm not surprised that Sacrar's hexagram suggests the opposite election result. That happens with queries about the world that are not closely related to the querent.
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I would add :
1. Tomorrow 3 November will be Xu day and with month branch Xu also ..!! Two fire tombs against Si fire 6th Self line ... woowww that's terrible for Trump !!!
2. Hexagram 30 is in 6 clash category .. Self line isn't protected ..
3. Guashen and Shishen is on 6th line == but 6th line (as Karma or resultant line ) is in tomb from month and day === Bad portent !!
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You favor Trump. That is like asking Will Trump Win? The hexagram is what Alex Chiu calls a strike; all lines clash - 1 Mao) with 4 (You), 2 (Chou) with 5 (Wei), and 3 (Hai) with 6 (Si). So the answer is no.
Hexagram is not an exception to Alex's rules, because Self Line does not bind to the day, which would eliminate the strike (three clash). There are other exceptions, which are not present here.
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Yes , @sleepyfreud ..
I agree with you Self isn't supported by a bound with day .. so Self isn't protected ..!!
The 6 clash category occurs ..!!
The answer is: Trump would be not a winner ..
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But who knows if the result is the other way round, Tientai. As Raymond observed in the other hexagram on the football match:
The six hexagram clash also tells that the result will be unexpected.
Most polls favor Biden, so the result can be that Trump becomes the winner.
About hexagram Li (Fire), one of it's properties is the red color --> Trump's color.
In this case, we don't need to see the changing hexagram's properties, because there is none.
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Sacrar, I believe you are the one who raised the hexagram. With which candidate do you identify yourself?
Double clash by the Month and Day would not favor the Others line (representing Biden's team) . That would not be "hidden movement".
I raise the hexagram and sympathize with Trump. The day of the query is clashed only for the month, but on Election Day by both day and month. But it is a clash with contribution of Qi, earth-earth same element.
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But who knows if the result is the other way round, Tientai. As Raymond observed in the other hexagram on the football match:
The six hexagram clash also tells that the result will be unexpected.
Most polls favor Biden, so the result can be that Trump becomes the winner.
About hexagram Li (Fire), one of it's properties is the red color --> Trump's color.
In this case, we don't need to see the changing hexagram's properties, because there is none.
Yes I understand dear @JLim .. but isn't the same with @Sacrar s Hexagram .. !!
Li fire of Sacrar s 4 line's moving aren't the same with my today Li Hexagram with unmoving lines ..!!
Sacrar s Si Self line is protected under voidness from the clash with Hai water of Other line .
As e@Raymond quoted ...
But my Li 6 clash Hexagram has not any movement and Self is open to the tombs harm ...
6 clash category also can mean " not any possibility "
But anyway let's see what could happen ..!!
we are near to clear out this principle of 6th clash Hexagram ..
I also need to say that Xu of Month (and day branch) are also belong to western 3 months Autumn metal sector with Xu as the last month of Autumn ..!!
One more thing .. tomorrow 3rd November is Xu day the day of election .. but the Resault will be seen on 4th November .. after vote counting there will be Hai water day .. the same with Other (Biden's line )...
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Before the query of the first post I made this one.
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https://www.bright-hall.net/wwg/22,0,1,0,0,0,0,8,9,2020-07-03,20:53
At that time I interpreted it as having it complicated to win (the two Officers in empty and tomb of Wei), although Self has the Officer and is a hexagram of six combinations. I suppose that Mao is his current mandate and Yin as his future mandate. What do you think? Perhaps Yin can be filled in these months with water to come.
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Hi Sacrar,
In this earlier hexagram of yours: Trump cannot win. Officers are entombed. Second line Parent is able to be revealed, and this Wu Fire produces Xu Others line (Biden). Others line is strengthened! Moreover, Others line obtains both the Month and Day Qi to begin with, while Self line (Trump) gets neither.
In the latter hexagram of yours (first post in this topic): Trump does win.
If we include the hexagram by Tientai, there are three hexagrams for one topic that we are not closely involved with...
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If we include the hexagram by Tientai, there are three hexagrams for one topic that we are not closely involved with...
3 Hexagrams, two of them giving Biden for winner. The funny thing would be that Trump win :D.
Maybe there are more members who have asked or want ask for the same and it would be good to compare results.
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In my experience elections are difficult to read... Often it comes down to small differences in line strength rules, they are very good for learning rules after it finished and we look back, though.
I very much agree with Jlim, your first hexagram looks like its impossible Trump to win. For me, yet I would also read the next one, as more or less the opposite...
Usually first one would be better one to look at, as accuracy falls down with each new hex we make with the same question in short period of time... Yet we don't know if that one was the first...
I have my own hexagrams and maps, but I don't want to go into what I think, lets wait and see. : )
Currently, from what is in the topic I very much agree, it seems to point sometimes to one, other times to the other in the different hexagrams.
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Trump will win. That's what their bazi say.
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2020+11+3 add up 9.
9, 11. They are very important numbers. Remember terrorist attack 9/11
I cannot comment on your "new" hexagram, Sacrar. After seeing too many hexagrams for one topic, I am bewildered.
Up to this moment, the winner is still not clear. About the numbers, I've just discovered this about the election date:
20+20 = 40
11+3 = 5
40 + 5 = 45.
Donald Trump is the 45th president of the US. If he's the president again, then he would still be officially called the 45th president of the US. If Biden wins, then he would be the 46th president.
Does that mean the winner is the 45th president or Trump?
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Up to this moment, the winner is still not clear. At least, this part is happening now as I predicted:
Mao Wood as Parent line represents the ballots. There may be some issues with the ballots/counting in this election.
As I read in the news, "crush of mail-in ballots slows count in 4 key states". It may take several days to complete. Apparently, due to the corona pandemic, there are a lot more mail-in ballots, which has not happened in recent history.
I made that observation in Tientai's hexagram (Reply #2).
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Just a valuable information for all @forumers ...
2020-11-07 is reminder of changing Month Hai water ..!!
If vote counting continues and reach this month .. then this favours Biden also ..
http://fivearts.org/index.php?topic=1133.msg8823#msg8823
Already Biden has the upper hand on Presidential election ..!!
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Biden vs trump
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Hey NewMan,
Biden doesn't look as though he has Trumped fully locked in. I don't see any eyes rolling back or anyone slapping out.
Biden still has to hang on there. Trump may slip out - I doubt Trump get a strong counter or reversal.....
But that fight would drag out for how long.
Ren
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Dear NewMan .. hi
Don't focus on this difficult and momental condition has reached presidential election fight ..
Here we try to evaluate the course of this election .
The truth is Baiden has a precendancy from the start of election day right now ..!!
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2020年11月6日16时3分(local time)
庚子年 丙戌月 癸丑日 庚申时 （日空：寅卯）
Will Trump be president? Analyzed by WWG .. well the picture is extremely confusing… so I made a stalk prediction, here is the result: Hex 23 changed to Hex 2 (“6 strike”) !, the changing line summarizes the situation.
An official is sitting on the mountain top. This can mean retirement or it can mean a situation getting worse and worse…
I Ching Hex for me ,Nov 6,2020
Nine at the top means:
The wild goose gradually draws near the cloud heights.
Its feathers can be used for the sacred dance.
Good fortune
Just my thoughts.
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Hi Tientai,
Donald John Trump (born June 14, 1946). 丙戌年 甲午月 己未日 丁卯时
Joseph Robinette Biden Jr. born November 20, 1942)
壬午年 辛亥月 丁丑日 癸卯时
„I favour Trump .. therefore Self 6th line .
Biden : Other 3rd line”
Trump was born in xu year and is currently S- si- Fire is in cavity.
Biden O- Office- R-h strong by you day
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Trump was born in xu year and is currently S- si- Fire is in cavity.
Biden O- Office- R-h strong by you day
Dear.Tanpai .. hi
Can you clarify what you mean with " cavity " ..
Glad to see you here again ..
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Hexagram looks like this:
Year: t, Month: sh, Day: c-X, Empty: y & m
Strip - 23 Quen - 2
G y O B yo - - wht
B s K t - - J K h - - gry
P sh - - P c - - yel
G m - - G m - - red
R e - - U R e - - grn
P wa - - P wa - - blk
6 Strike
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Strike. Answer is no.
Trump is sitting on the K line. "You got nothing", in the words of Alex Chiu.
Biden is sitting on the R line "You got something."
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Hi Tientai,
for the fire element xu/sh is the cavity/grave!
for metal the chou, for water the chen,
for the wood the wai the cavity/grave
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Hi Tientai, I agree with your interpretations of the Six Animals. And I like it that you use them more, because it's usually skipped by the classical texts.
Gou Chen = to stack, as you said. He wants to delay and prolong the counting and vote verification process, or he likes to cling on this presidency.
The Six Clash hexagram of yours describes well the prolonged, intense and close battle between the two. No American president election has dragged on this long before.
Note one the meanings of the hexagram: clinging
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Yes, dear Jlim ..
Without the use of 6 animals the interpretation will be frail and weak ...!!
I remember you told long before on using this principle (Liu Shen) every time when forming an Hexagram. .
In the meantime, many thoughts are being raised about the fate of the new American government..
I have no words .. !!!
Wishes for the best to all worldwide
Tt.
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DS6aBOqWn-Y&t=4s (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DS6aBOqWn-Y&t=4s)Boris Johnson congratulates Biden and Harris: 'There is more that unites us than divides us
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Many European countries have already started to congratulate Biden as the next president of America. Trump is left alone in the world stage. No one congratulates him. Not even Taiwan. That's spell doomed for trump.
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2PXBLjMJcUM
Now the very Big question. What happens If Trump Refuses To Leave?
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Donald Trump has safely departed the White House without getting evicted ;) He has not refused to leave the White House.
Although he does not attend the inauguration of Biden, he has left Biden a letter, keeping a 32-year old tradition.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-leaves-letter-for-biden-before-departing-white-house
Inauguration day 20 Jan 2021 is a peaceful day. Good day for Biden! War or peace on 20jan2021? (http://fivearts.org/index.php?topic=1196.msg9551#msg9551)
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Today is a Great day for the World and America. We often forget one of the greatest human experiments that America conducted has change the World we are in now.
It was America who led the World into the Modern multi-racial multi-cultural World Order. In fact where we live at the present is the New World Order.
To be able to worship,love,express,freely no matter what race or gender you are. This has not been so for the past thousands of years we often seem to forget that.
A great time to be alive indeed! God Bless America!
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