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General discussions => FREE Divination Request => Topic started by: andponomarev on May 12, 2021, 12:34:21 PM
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Hello,
Another example for me to look at. 7 days ago I had a problem with my bank: they charged me extra $40 because of my fault (I had chosen wrong services, so it was my fault). 2 days ago I made a divination of whether I'll get a compensation from my bank - either money or extending services for free, for example. That's what I got:
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What I see here:
Subject - Me
Object - Compensation
1) Subject and Object (3rd and 6th lines) match (Yin-Yang), which is good.
2) Subject line is Asset, strong, and it's moving - GOOD
3) Subject line has hidden Officer line. I guess it's good
4) Subject line generates Officer line in the 2nd hex - GOOD
4) 4th and 5th lines are relatively strong, which is also good in my opinion (lines between S and O give additional information about outcome)
5) 3rd line in the 2nd hex is weak. BAD
6) 2nd hex is the clashing one. BAD
So, what are your thoughts on that? Am I missing something? What do you think outcome will be? I'll have news in 1-2 days about it. Thanks a lot to everyone as always
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Hello,
Could someone comment on my divination algorithm above, please? Was it done correctly? Thank you.
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Transformed hexagram is a six-clash (strike in Alex Chiu's terms).
Your element (you metal) is burned by the day's wu fire.
Does not look good.
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Is one of those hexagrams that require a higher level of skill. There are three Assets/wealths Chen, Wei, and Chou. One of them must be the Yong shen, but who knows which one?
The added difficulty is that the compensation cannot even be financial, but of some other kind, so there would be two yong shen.
In addition to what Ren and Sleepy have told you, fourth line Wei Liu He to the Day so it moves secretly. It could be heading towards the Subject line.
the second line of siblings is revitalised by the changing line of parents, and this line of siblings is damaging the Asset. The Sibling is in the resting stage(the loss is not too high).
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Thank you for the reply ren, very much appreciated. I think I may first approach things by defining what each family member represents.
I would guess, Assets may represent the financial fees you were charged and Officer the bank.
I agree with the Assets, but why do you think that bank is the Officer line? Another thing is the Officer is hiding in the 1st hexagram and corresponding with the Subject line (me). So how would you explain this?
Parent could represent any forms / paper work involved.
I didn't pay attention to this line, as it's not between S and O. I read somewhere that only lines between S and O should be taken into consideration. Do you think it's wrong?
I am curious what Sibling could represent in this case and what is the effect of the liu he (six combination) on the first three lines.
(each moving line forms a liu he combination with its transformed / change line).
Thanks ,this is interesting. Would be great if someone explains this.
Is one of those hexagrams that require a higher level of skill. There are three Assets/wealths Chen, Wei, and Chou. One of them must be the Yong shen, but who knows which one?
I think that Young Shen is the Asset Wei (4th line). It's definitely not the Subject line, and the only Asset line remaining on the 1st hexagram is 4th one. And we don't look at the 2nd hex.
The added difficulty is that the compensation cannot even be financial, but of some other kind, so there would be two yong shen.
Well, honestly I don't know. At the end of the day it's money anyway. Either they provide me using their services free of charge (I'm saving money), or they transfer money to my account (I'm getting real money).
In addition to what Ren and Sleepy have told you, fourth line Wei Liu He to the Day so it moves secretly. It could be heading towards the Subject line.
Sorry, I didn't understand. How does it secretly move, and why could it be heading towards the Subject line?
the second line of siblings is revitalised by the changing line of parents, and this line of siblings is damaging the Asset. The Sibling is in the resting stage(the loss is not too high).
I'm sorry, but again I don't understand how the second Sibling line is getting revitalised by Parents line. Could you explain it in greater details, if possible? Thank you.
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I think that Young Shen is the Asset Wei (4th line). It's definitely not the Subject line, and the only Asset line remaining on the 1st hexagram is 4th one. And we don't look at the 2nd hex.
In fact any of the three Assets could be the yong shen, even the one in the derived hexagram (Chou).
There are some rules for selection of the yong shen.
If there are duplicate designates the priority rule is:
- If it is an active line: there is no doubt that it is that one.
- If none is active line:
o The one that has the best extrinsic energetic assessmen.
o Special relationship it maintains with Self line (Liu He, San He, Chong, etc)
o correspondence/resonance relationship with Self line.
o closer to the Self line (spatial position as in feng shui is very important).
Based on these rules even if yong shen, focus spirit, Theme/Topic, Matter Element (or whatever you want to call it) are in the self line can also be the designated one.
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Yes, and the news. I have received full compensation from the bank, they transferred money to my account.
Would you be so kind as to say on what date you received the transfer?
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There are some rules for selection of the yong shen.
If there are duplicate designates the priority rule is:
Thanks for the clarification. Could you let me know if the rules in question are available in public (open)?
Would you be so kind as to say on what date you received the transfer?
Yes, sure. It's May,13th (morning)
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There are some rules for selection of the yong shen.
If there are duplicate designates the priority rule is:
Thanks for the clarification. Could you let me know if the rules in question are available in public (open)?
Yes they are open rules, you can find them in books and in alex chiu's superiching. I have put them in my previous message. Duplicate designates = duplicate Yong Shen
If there are duplicate designates the priority rule is:
- If it is an active line: there is no doubt that it is that one.
- If none is active line:
o The one that has the best extrinsic energetic assessmen.
o Special relationship it maintains with Self line (Liu He, San He, Chong, etc)
o correspondence/resonance relationship with Self line.
o closer to the Self line (spatial position as in feng shui is very important).
Alex Chiu:
Just concentrate on the one that is stronger or closer to the Subject line.
- If one is moving and the other is not, simply take the moving line as instructed.
- If there is an active line that damages both designated, it will damage the one closest to this active line more. Therefore, use the one furthest away from the damaging element. The old text however says to use the one closest to Self. Given this contradiction focus on both or re-roll.
- Even if one is less strong by date but is linker to Subject's line and closer to it, that one would be more important.
More info in https://www.superiching.com/doublestar.htm
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If there are duplicate designates the priority rule is:
- If it is an active line: there is no doubt that it is that one.
This is one of the points I think he was too enthusiastic about(one of many, as it happens).
In my humble opinion, while we can view that a moving line suggests something we should know, and that will point out to what we ask about in many cases, the idea it always is exactly what we ask about isn't a good idea.
There are situations a female may ask about a guy, there wouldn't be change going with him, yet there would be another guy in her life that will be going through change she should know about(and I have questions like that).
Of course, in that case the guy she asks about won't move, as there is no change going on there, yet the other Officer line will have, as there is change there.
No way to show that, if we always assume if its moving it has to be exactly the person the question was aimed at.
While I do agree there is some validity in there, the idea its so strong rule that it overrides everything else is a risky approach in my humble opinion.
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If there are duplicate designates the priority rule is:
- If it is an active line: there is no doubt that it is that one.
This is one of the points I think he was too enthusiastic about(one of many, as it happens).
In my humble opinion, while we can view that a moving line suggests something we should know, and that will point out to what we ask about in many cases, the idea it always is exactly what we ask about isn't a good idea.
There are situations a female may ask about a guy, there wouldn't be change going with him, yet there would be another guy in her life that will be going through change she should know about(and I have questions like that).
Of course, in that case the guy she asks about won't move, as there is no change going on there, yet the other Officer line will have, as there is change there.
No way to show that, if we always assume if its moving it has to be exactly the person the question was aimed at.
While I do agree there is some validity in there, the idea its so strong rule that it overrides everything else is a risky approach in my humble opinion.
That's right, they are general rules with exceptions.
In this case example, which Asset would you choose as the designated (focus) one?
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Its difficult hex, I would have gone for line 4(and I can't explain why, as I wouldn't have any idea how to read that a year ago).
And it seems I would be wrong, as if we look at the timing seems clear its more related to line 1(also can't explain why, other then the obvious end of void).
So the question is somewhat off, the Sibling Line on Other and 6, suggests something else was the question and it was not related to the bank by itself. Also was different then what the words mean literally(the way the person thought about the situation wasn't the way they phrased the words).
And in this case it seems to be involving other people(Sibling on Line 6) that aren't really part of the situation, so a random guess would be something like "what will person A think if I get the money from the bank" or something like that, the money seem to be involved, but the actual question was not as near them as one would expect.
That is just the guess, though, but the whole thing is based on guessing. Yet from what I can see at this point it seems the Useful God or Focus or Matter Element would be on line 1, while the whole upper trigram was showing something else.
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And it seems I would be wrong, as if we look at the timing seems clear its more related to line 1 (also can't explain why, other then the obvious end of void).
Yet from what I can see at this point it seems the Useful God or Focus or Matter Element would be on line 1
I fail to understand why you focus on line 1. On 13/05, when the money was received, it was Xin-You metal Day, and Zi Parents and Chou Asset are still empty.
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I don't read the whole topic, coz very long. Just saw what time it was the post that they are received, so I assumed they are received on 16.
So it was You day... Then nothing much to say, all seem clear(moving asset line, self line bla bla).
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So the question is somewhat off, the Sibling Line on Other and 6, suggests something else was the question and it was not related to the bank by itself. Also was different then what the words mean literally(the way the person thought about the situation wasn't the way they phrased the words). And in this case it seems to be involving other people(Sibling on Line 6) that aren't really part of the situation, so a random guess would be something like "what will person A think if I get the money from the bank" or something like that, the money seem to be involved, but the actual question was not as near them as one would expect.
Erhm, why do you think like that? In this particular case my question was VERY straight forward: "WILL I get the compensation or not?".
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Coz there is too much that we can't explain.
We have the whole Upper Trigram showing something we don't really fit, and it seems to be focusing around the Other line on line 6.
Line 6 in my humble view shows something that it outside of the scope of the question(and I can explain why, but it will be long). So we have a question about money, then we have on the other line, something outside of the question carring Images of people.
I initially thought that were the people in the bank, so the question was "will the people in the bank compensate etc." that is why I guessed our Asset is line 4. Yet that didn't work, and I kinda knew it wouldn't as there is no reason they would be outside of the situation.
So we have your line answering if you will get the money. But we have 2 more moving lines and a whole another Trigram showing something else and we have no idea what.
Suggesting something was going on when you made the question that was factor in it, yet as we don't know much about the situation we can't comment on any of it.
That is one of the reasons I didn't answer initially, the hex is showing too much we don't know about, as connected to the situation, yet we know only one single factor, without knowing what is where any reading will be too much guessing even for me.
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This was aimed at the QMDJ topic. : )
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This was aimed at the QMDJ topic. : )
I suggest the moderator to move the messages to the correct thread, otherwise confusion will arise.
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Its difficult hex, I would have gone for line 4 (and I can't explain why, as I wouldn't have any idea how to read that a year ago).
So it was You day... Then nothing much to say, all seem clear (moving asset line, self line bla bla).
I would also have looked at the fourth line as yong shen. And even knowing the result I am not sure that yong shen is the third line. First of all, because it goes outside cartesian logic, since it is money that is expected to be received from an external third party, the bank, and not money that is already in the Self line. Even more so when the fourth line and external trigram, Wei Assets, moves secretly towards the Self line. Unless we take both Wei and Chen as focus.
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I can't go into that, but I think if you look about it in more depth it should be clear its not that simple. : )
Anyway, you have very complex hex on very easy question. Clearly more is going on, as we don't have any info on what, all is guessing and while guessing is ok for me for how people thought about the situation/question, guessing what the situation actually contains is just a waste of time. If the person hasn't explain it from the start, we are wasting our time.
As obviously if we are making the reading we will set it up the way we can read it later.
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This was aimed at the QMDJ topic. : )
I suggest the moderator to move the messages to the correct thread, otherwise confusion will arise.
Done.
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Will post my re-analysis later. Was finishing reading Alfred Kee's book. I have all three English books now - Alex Chiu ( I bought his physical book; contents identical to online book), Jack Chiu, and Alfred Kee. Alex says he read Wild Crane. He read it on his own, without guidance/assistance from a school, or lineage. Jack Chiu (no relation to alex), does not mention his sources. Alfred Kee also mentions Wild Crane, but he talks about his "lineage". So he must have some masters, elders, who passed down their interpretation of Wild Crane.
Is this similar to Tai Chi lineages? Your Yang Tai Chi may come from the Yang Cheng Fu lineage, or from the branch of his older brother, Yang Shao Hou. I wonder how may lineages claim to interpret Wild Crane.
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Will post my re-analysis later. Was finishing reading Alfred Kee's book. I have all three English books now - Alex Chiu ( I bought his physical book; contents identical to online book), Jack Chiu, and Alfred Kee. Alex says he read Wild Crane. He read it on his own, without guidance/assistance from a school, or lineage. Jack Chiu (no relation to alex), does not mention his sources. Alfred Kee also mentions Wild Crane, but he talks about his "lineage". So he must have some masters, elders, who passed down their interpretation of Wild Crane.
Is this similar to Tai Chi lineages? Your Yang Tai Chi may come from the Yang Cheng Fu lineage, or from the branch of his older brother, Yang Shao Hou. I wonder how may lineages claim to interpret Wild Crane.
I would guess every lineage related to WWG.
Not because Wild Crane text is very good practically, yet historically its situated in a position that makes it difficult to go around if someone hopes to present the system.
I don't have interest in Wild Crane. I had some time ago, but from what I have seen so far there is very little we can learn from there that would be better then what we can already find in open sources and with practice, but I understand why people found they had to connect that to present a teaching.
Similar to how they had to include King Wen if they talk about the Zhouyi. Even though its more then likely, he just recorded what was a general oral tradition at the time, similar to how dream meanings were passed from village to village in my country... They were recorded by authors and we value them for it, but it wasn't their invention. Yet his written material became so important for what develop afterwards that we should acknowledge it, for both of them really.
From what I have studied so far, it seems the Five Arts work differently then most metaphysical or spiritual systems I"m aware of. Usually there is either a person or a group of people that receive the "flow", they get influx of light and understanding and they begin something worth bringing here. That would be Naropas texts for Tibetan Buddhism, The Zohar for Kabbalah, Korzybskis general semantics for neurolinguistics and others.
Then generations after that people take light from that and expand it, yet we can't really learn these systems without the places the light was anchored at.
In the Five Arts these places seems missing in the open. From what seems to be the case, they were anchored in closed schools and lineages and were never accessible by everyone.
That is not a good idea, in my view, but its the way it is and we align with that.
It means there are 2 ways if we want to get to the spiritual levels of a system(and that in general means to the levels it works very well at). One is to hope a lineage or school that actually had clarity and influx of light somewhere in its practitioners will open what it has arrived at. The other is to keep practicing and it will happen with time.
Both have problems. First case you can't really know if that was distorted, how much of it you will receive and how much will be hidden even there etc. Not to mention how few these schools would be in comparison to how many will be even worse then the open material. The second one has the problem that some of these just need more then a lifetime to actually realize/arrive at.
So how to study this systems... Keep reading stuff and use the good info out there and that is the best we can do I think. As of course this goes beyond just WWG, as that seems to be the situation in more or less all of the Five Arts systems.
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In all honesty, when you think about it, a claim to any lineage is only a claim to a particular lineage. With the longer the lineage, the greater the chance it becomes more meaningless.
One must remember, that as a teacher, you may not necessarily be a good teacher, no matter how skilled or capable you; as the teacher, is.
One must also remember, that as a student, you may not necessarily learn well, no matter how skilled or capable you, and/or the teacher, is.
This basically introduces three stages of a break within a lineage within two generations alone (the teacher and the pupil). So lineage does not equate to the same quality of knowledge or understanding, even amongst the same generation of students/teachers that has a prestigious line. You then apply this across many generations, and it is very easy to see, that it quickly becomes nothing more than a history lesson of the school and nothing more. You can have dead ends to such lineage tree branches after all, through no fault of anyone on that branch that reached such an end.
So I would pay it no mind.
See the content and go from there.
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I'm not sure everyone can do that, though...
Coz that would suggests what is presented initially will always reflect how the system work in its full way. And that isn't always possible, there should be some gradation of info, so the first step may not seem great then becomes better and better with time.
While I do agree, going with content is better then going with "authority", I think we should factor in "potential". As the content when we first see it may not be in its full form yet. : )
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Jack Chiu (no relation to alex), does not mention his sources. Alfred Kee also mentions Wild Crane, but he talks about his "lineage". So he must have some masters, elders, who passed down their interpretation of Wild Crane.
Hi all, I new here. I am one of the Master AK students. I have learned from a few Master about WWG. I think people here should know who are those teachers as not really much teaching WWG. I come to know that Master Jack Chiu is kinda golden strategies "lineage". The way he uses the logic and interpretation is very similar to golden strategies. And Master AK is not from any of the classical lineages. He actually explained some of these "reasons" in his course.
I have spoken to Master AK privately before. By asking him that their origin is also from Wild Crane. I remember he told me it is not. The reason he using Wild Crane in his book and the course is to let people understand the differences and the limitation of Wild Crane. And another reason is because he says many people who learn WWG always learn from Wild Crane. So, in order to let people get into the WWG easily. He is using wild crane in his book. Anyway, I don't really find that his book or his method has anything to do with Wild Crane. For me, it is just because it appears some numbers of Wild Crane. It does create some illusions that he is one of the wild crane lineages. They are using their very unique formula and it really works.
Their school study a few classical methods by themselves I think. but he never really teach anything about it. He only points out a few problems from the wild crane. the rest of the time. He never talks much about wild crane. And he then let us know how to deal with the problems. Which all the conflicts are very clear and I cannot get it from any places I learned before. If he would have appeared early. I won't be spending too much wasted money. LOL. He said he is going to teach purely wild crane in the future. But I think it going to disappoint many WWG enthusiasm here as I think he is going to show you how wild crane is doing the misleading part. To be honest, IMHO. I am amazed by his explanation of why wild crane method doesn't work. It makes complete sense.
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In the Tai Chi world, they call their lineage according to the originator. So there is the Yang Style, from Yang Lu Chan, and the forks - Yang Shao Hou lineage from the older son, and Yang Cheng Fu lineage from the youngest son (of Yang Lu Chan). There is another variance from still another son, Yang Ban Hou.
Yang Lu Chan had a student, Wu Quan You. His lineage is the Wu Style. It forked with the Northern Wu, of Wu's student Wang Mao Zhai, and the Shanghai Wu, of Wu's son, Wu Jian Qian. There is another Wu, of Wu Yuxiang, more popularly known as Wu/Hao after Wu's student, Hao Weizhen. This further confirms that lineages have names.
Even in feng shui, lineages have names.
https://www.chuefoundation.org/chue-foundation/grand-master-chan/lineage-of-grand-master-chan-kun-wah-our-legacy/
I do not see any name appended to Alfred Kee's lineage. So from whom did it originate? A lineage, to be verifiable, must have a name. Or am I wrong here? the Chinese readers here would be able to verify if the books they read mention any names of schools or originators.
At least Alex says "Wild Crane says xxx" or "in my experience, yyy." So you know which comes from the classics, and which is Alex's interpretation.
I have finished the Alfred Kee book. It does devote a considerable amount of time to discussing his/their divergence from Wild Crane, in several cases. I am still on the fence about his course. I have seen a few of his videos. They neither add nor subtract from the interest in the course. I will read the book again, before I decide.
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I'm not sure everyone can do that, though...
Coz that would suggests what is presented initially will always reflect how the system work in its full way. And that isn't always possible, there should be some gradation of info, so the first step may not seem great then becomes better and better with time.
Does any system as revealed first time from one example always reflect how the system works in its full way?
While I do agree, going with content is better then going with "authority", I think we should factor in "potential". As the content when we first see it may not be in its full form yet. : )
And if authority is thrown out, how does one factor in "potential" without examining the content first? ;)
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Yes, true, I meant that if someone checks Ak book for example, can't really make it fit very well, to what they know, yet there are some examples that show much potential afterwards, may be good to give the material one more change. : )
Overall, I fully agree, content before lineages or reputation. : )
Just adding that its good to be prepared that we may not be able to fully realize the potential in the content right away.
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Hi and welcome! : )
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The subject line is sitting on the Asset line (G for Alex). The asset line moves turning into an officer line (Alex calls it the R star). “R represents 'You got something'. If you ask about money, you will earn money.”. That transformed line has element you metal, which combines with the chen earth of the asset. So what you received combines with the money (asset). So what you got, is the note saying we will refund you your money.
The other posters here were contemplating the other asset lines. But the first line is void. Alfred Kee (page 168) says a moving line which is void is useless. Alex says an empty (void) line is inactive.
What about the fourth line, which is also an asset? That is bound to the day. Alex says “If a moving line is bounding to the month or the date, it is tied up and cannot move.”
We are left, therefore, with the asset line of the Subject. That is the asset line that moves, and affects this query.
Earlier, I noted that the transformed hexagram is a six-clash (6 strike for Alex). A six-clash means no, generally, according to Alex. But “If the self line turns into an element which bounds back at the self line, the power of the 6 strike is eliminated.” The Subject’s chen earth moves and becomes you metal, which binds to chen (you-chen). So the six strike is eliminated.
I cannot figure out how to derive the timing.
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The other posters here were contemplating the other asset lines. But the first line is void. Alfred Kee (page 168) says a moving line which is void is useless. Alex says an empty (void) line is inactive.
Jack chiu says that a line will be de-neutralised if it is in the Strong or Very Strong state for the Month. As it is the case Chou Active is strong by day and Month and therefore it is de-neutralised (out of void)
What about the fourth line, which is also an asset? That is bound to the day. Alex says “If a moving line is bounding to the month or the date, it is tied up and cannot move.”
But four line is not an moving line. It is a still / quiet line, moving secretly or silently (as they say), being in conjunction (Liu He) with the Day. So it moves...
On the other hand, an moving void line will eventually come out of the void and become useful, so it may mark an upcoming event (generally, I'm not saying it is in this case).
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But chou earth combines with the zi water of the original hexagram, forming a water combo of zi-chou. Water is weak in a wu day with si month.
Also, day wu combines with wei hour, forming a fire combo (wu-wei). So zi-chou was weak at the time of casting.
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Okay. I got the timing. The Officer you metal was hiding (hider in Alex's terminology). Hiders appear on their day. Wu hiding, appears on wu day, etc.. The Officer you metal was hiding. So it would appear on a you metal day. It did. The bank reimbursed on you May 13, a you metal day.
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The other posters here were contemplating the other asset lines. But the first line is void. Alfred Kee (page 168) says a moving line which is void is useless. Alex says an empty (void) line is inactive.
Jack chiu says that a line will be de-neutralised if it is in the Strong or Very Strong state for the Month. As it is the case Chou Active is strong by day and Month and therefore it is de-neutralised (out of void)
What about the fourth line, which is also an asset? That is bound to the day. Alex says “If a moving line is bounding to the month or the date, it is tied up and cannot move.”
But four line is not an moving line. It is a still / quiet line, moving secretly or silently (as they say), being in conjunction (Liu He) with the Day. So it moves...
On the other hand, an moving void line will eventually come out of the void and become useful, so it may mark an upcoming event (generally, I'm not saying it is in this case).
Thank you. I stand corrected. Fourth line is not moving, wei bound by wu day. So moving lines are first, second and third.
First line forms a zi-chou water combo, weak in a wu day, with si month.
Second line is wood, Hai-Yin, also weak in a wu fire day with si fire month.
Third line chen is earth chen, strong in a fire day.
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Honestly, it is a difficult hexagram for me and it becomes more confusing when some concepts are not yet clear to me.
Imagine you are in a foreign country, 20-25 years ago, before we had all the tech we have today... And lets say you have a dictionary that with some time and effort can translate simple sentences of the language there that you don't really speak. You check and after a few minutes searching in it you think you know how to ask for the time. Lets say the current time is what you try to find.
You stop a person and you ask for the time with that few words.
The person starts talking, pointing at something, then calls a friend, they both continue talking, then shout something, turn around and go away.
While you may had remembered the words and can translate them with some effort, at that point will have a bunch of sentences, more then what you expected, and clearly more then the exact time that you asked about. Checking all that in the dictionary will take a long time, so you are trying to figure out where in there was the time, so you can translate only that part and hopefully ignore the rest.
Problem is, if we have that same situation, but we only have the words and someone tells us "somewhere in there is the correct time", the correct way to proceed would be "maybe, but looking for it seems pointless." in my view. As it may not be in there at all, as the answer already shows more then it should.
Lets say they may have said something like:
"There is a big clock just behind you" - followed by some ranting at people that don't notice big clocks, to something like "Well, the time is --, but much more importantly then that, you should know that the local tavern" - followed by some info that may be very valuable for a tourist there or maybe not, but they thought it could be. In both cases calling a friend to enthusiastically join in the whatever claim there was.
In first case, the time may be at the end of the sentence, at second case it is at the beginning. And there are many other options, as there are many possible reasons the person may have said more then just the time.
Trying to find the time in there is not a great learning exercise, as the other info will change the relation of the time to the person. As another possible answer could be:
"Dude, there is a big mean something(lets say Godzilla for the nice Image) on its way to where we are and instead of asking for the time, you should just turn 180 degrees and run like hell...".
In that situation the time won't exist in the answer at all, yet the idea what they said wasn't important is not really accurate.
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Also, day wu combines with wei hour, forming a fire combo (wu-wei). So zi-chou was weak at the time of casting.
Usually the true time of the casting does not coincide with the time people post in the picture. Anyway, the time/hour is usually not relevant, except in timming or sporting events and stuff like that.
Okay. I got the timing. The Officer you metal was hiding (hider in Alex's terminology). Hiders appear on their day. Wu hiding, appears on wu day, etc.. The Officer you metal was hiding. So it would appear on a you metal day. It did. The bank reimbursed on you May 13, a you metal day.
I don't understand what you mean by "Wu hidden", because it is not hidden. Is actually absent in the whole hexagram, unless you have given an example and do not refer to this hexagram ;)
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sorry. I meant you metal. It is the hidden Officer (R for Alex). Chen (asset) moves and becomes you (officer). That occured in you day (May 13).