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General discussions => FREE Divination Request => Topic started by: throosden on June 26, 2022, 07:28:15 PM
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* useful god is probably resource, which can be found as the invisible si
* is produced by its visible line yin, officer, but yin is clashed by shen day and is in void, not sure what is the effect of this
* changed line hai attacks this useful god si, not good
* also, without too much technical analysis, can see lots of water and earth elements, weakening fire. Fire in month branch though, but probably not enough to counter.
Fire and resource could represent a teaching, teacher or learning. But it is being neutralized by other elements in the hexagram.
* 2 sibling (earth) elements are strong in (wu) and hence can control wealth elements, including the self line.
Perhaps a warning to be careful when spending money on teachers and courses.
The above for me kinda confirms the general idea of 24 changing on line 3 to 36: idea of wanting to start anew but a warning to be careful, patient to not go towards bad things (again?).
I sped through Jack Chius book on WWG to see what the fuss is all about. Seems nice, though not sure if I'm gonna go deeper into it right now, might do later.
Probably, there is more to be found in this casting. If others can help correct the analysis or provide more details, always appreciated.
Also interesting: I casted this hexagram right before Joey Yaps event on YiJing divination. Even used his software for it. That software seems to have exactly one changing line. Not sure if that corrupts the casting process, but the hexagram seems to be indicative of the situation.
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Good evening! My interpretation is as follows: The line of parents fire is your subject of study. The fire hid on the tree line which is empty. This means that in the past you went to school, but now you don't. It may also mean that in the near future you will not go to some school to study your subject. The line of fire is in its prime, which may mean that in the future the fire in the development of the element will decrease. It's as if the sun has reached its zenith and its brightness will decrease. Perhaps this may mean a weakening of interest in your subject of study. If you choose between self-study and visiting, then self-study is more likely to be better, because the line of brothers controls you.
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Hi Vadim, thanks for your analysis.
It's as if the sun has reached its zenith and its brightness will decrease. Perhaps this may mean a weakening of interest in your subject of study.
Wouldn't dare to think of that :D, but can never know what other stuff life brings off course.
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The problem with this and the reason people carefully use it, is because they can have many meanings.
Kun above Zhen changing to Li. Lets assume the asker is Zhen. That is not how its usually done, but to test the Lower Trigram as Self idea. Lets just use most popular Images and assume all will always be there.
We can say:
'The environment was stuck(Kun), but you had a great impulse to move forward, that impulse, however, will change to Li and just feed that environment instead of helping you.'
'Back at December(Hexagram shows december) you decided to start moving forward in the systems and Zhen changing to Li suggests you are now ready to support the environment(paying for course) to do it!'
'You wanted to guide your mothers path(kun restricted by Zhen), so you decided to learn systems, now as you move to fire in fire season you can finally do it!'
'In your house(Kun), you as the oldest son(Zhen) decided to learn the systems to support the household, now moving to Li that suggests happiness and expansion, but since environment is still more produced by you(Li producing Kun) it hasn't actually happened.'
Are they all true?
We can ask, but I can already tell you they won't be all true, because the Trigrams carry endless amounts of Images. Even if we are close this time, we can also say that:
'You bought a cow(Kun) and you want to get as much milk as possible in any ways(Zhen controlling Kun), now as you move to Li you felt bad for it and started being nicer to your cow(Li producing Kun) influenced by the Chinese Systems you learn during all this.'
Is this likely to be true?Its as valid as the rest as far as Images go...
Now lets assume he is Kun, as that is how its usually done(no changing lines trigram as Self).
'You haven't make much movement forward in the systems(Kun), while the environment is starting to move full of new ideas(Zhen), that will support you as it moves to fire Li and it will make learning much easier.'
'You are interested in the systems influenced by a land property you bought(Kun as Wealth), now the systems around didn't help you much in how to use it(Zhen controling Kun), but that will change and they will start to support it with new knowledge etc.'
I can go on and on and on... And if we decide all of them have all these meaning every single time we will soon discover that just isn't the case and none of us will be learning the systems if we can provide some of the Images and it will always fit.
So the idea is there, but you can't do it with intuition. You need to know the structure within the system so you know what of all these is actually present and what isn't. The rest may be there... May not be. But it will be very unreliable to use.
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Its probably for the best, as sometimes details come up as we spend more time focusing on it and I think the main idea may have been a little different.
Yeah. Still very interesting to see WWG analysis at work. Many thanks!
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Its probably for the best, as sometimes details come up as we spend more time focusing on it and I think the main idea may have been a little different.
Yeah. Still very interesting to see WWG analysis at work. Many thanks!
Happy to help : )
Chou may be us, though(forums and the community, overall). Would explain why it contains all Metal as well(so it contains all approaches as it contains many people from different places).
I wish I could say we aren't 'shady' or 'hidding something', but as I said in the begining there is stuff I can't say that I'm using and I also know for a few other members here there are similar situation going.. : )
Its not greed or anything, though, just protecting techniques of specific schools.
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Hello Ren, thank you for your nice trigram analysis!
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Yesterday I asked a small followup question:
What can interaction with people on forums and rest of the internet bring me to progress on the path?
Casting:
37.5.6 -> 36
The Lui Yao analysis, as far as I can see with my limited knowledge seems to show a strong self line and multiple resource star available. Again indication of the playfulness aspect as output star Si in line 5 moves to Hai. Self line Chou controls Hai so it can acquire this knowledge.
37 as originating hexagram in itself is off course already clear enough as a message with lines 5 and 6 as reasonably positive lines. Idea of being part of the online community and to help it grow. That's also a part of the reason why I put the Bazi calculator online today :).
And interestingly enough again 36 as resulting hexagram. What could it signify?
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Well...
They clash each other,though.(all moving lines)
If we believe 'wild crane' material that means coming and going.
So sometimes fun(or naive ideas), sometimes knowledge. Sometimes friendly ideas, some times authoritative ones.
Overall the usual forum stuff, but rarely stable enough to be consistantly useful. : )
At the end it ends up on your Setting. Darkening of the Light... No idea how you read that, I don't usually focus on the whole hexagrams for WWG. But depends what the person will look at, if we focus on it one way to read it can be that most of what you will get you won't be able to clearly use. It can really vary depending on the person reading, though, can even read it that 'light within is more important then changing peoples views outside'...
If we put it all together, I think we can sum it up with 'You will likely receive - inconsistancy'. While that may not be what you are aiming for its what the community can happily provide everytime... If that is what you are after is a whole another story. But your line is strong, your whole Trigram is strong, so who cares...
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Yea, ... those moving clashing lines. I already saw yesterday that it might be more complex then what I wrote above.
Plus the 2 siblings in void. That's rather sad when you ask a question about being part of a community ::)
Might the non moving resource in line 3 present another option, not taken when focusing on the obvious?
Or perhaps like you say strong line in strong trigram. It contains a resource you can control and which is produced by invisible line. So although you get 'inconsistency' from the community, you are still happy and keep learning. Also explains a little bit the idea of still being in the dark but you have a little light with you.
And well yeah, the 36... Sometimes name of hexagram is translated as 'to accept'. Receive it 2 times. Just have to accept situation you are in right now :D
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I wish I could say that the community is awesome, they will be very happy for the free calculator and there is good stuff all over the place...
But... Well... You will see with time if you haven't already. Tthe reactions to free calculators from the online forums are underwhelming, for so many calculators connected to the Five Arts we have made free, almost all interesting developments were from outside of the community. One of the reasons we avoid posting most of them now, it just isn't received at all and waits until it ends up somewhere else where people appreciate it.
So try it out, I hope it will work out, but don't be too disappointed if it doesn't. Strong line on strong trigram - unlikely to lose much in the process, but the sibling void lines, clashes all over the place and movement from 'family' to 'darkening of the light' may play its role as well.
Its not all bad, really, I think it just shows what the community can provide. And that isn't a lot of support, the focus is on other things, most of the time. And while I did what I could to see if another approach is possible, at this point I think I'm as part of that as everyone else along the way. Same for other people that did try some years ago, in my view.
Overall - we aren't great, lately. We tried to be some years ago, some of us, anyway. I guess we failed. Now are remnants of that whle we are moving in directions that are actually useful outside of the online communities for one or other reasons. At least I think so...
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Looking over it all...
I would say you would have a hard time in trying to look for a school that will help. Usually, this means either you have reached the peak of what can be achieved already, or you have no sources of learning easily available to you that can push you further.
However, given that you are not at a point where you can help others on a whim and seeking to further continue your progressing along the road, this would suggest that you are more likely to be at the mercy of the second possibility; lack of sources for learning that can actually push you further. In this instance, spending any money on such a goal would not grant you any special previlege, or beneficial status that would help you in reaching your goal.
With this line of thought, since it would be fruitless in looking for a school to aid you in progressing along the road, it would be more logical to see what you can obtain on your own in the mean time. For any time you do invest is entirely your own and when the fancy takes you over the content.
However, even then, you will find it hard to truly obtain gains in progressing. So rather than waste time, relationships, money on something that can not be obtained, or has little impact on what your goal is. It would be best to see what can be done on your own spare time and effort and a community that you fit in with.
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Looking over it all...
I would say you would have a hard time in trying to look for a school that will help. Usually, this means either you have reached the peak of what can be achieved already, or you have no sources of learning easily available to you that can push you further.
However, given that you are not at a point where you can help others on a whim and seeking to further continue your progressing along the road, this would suggest that you are more likely to be at the mercy of the second possibility; lack of sources for learning that can actually push you further. In this instance, spending any money on such a goal would not grant you any special previlege, or beneficial status that would help you in reaching your goal.
With this line of thought, since it would be fruitless in looking for a school to aid you in progressing along the road, it would be more logical to see what you can obtain on your own in the mean time. For any time you do invest is entirely your own and when the fancy takes you over the content.
However, even then, you will find it hard to truly obtain gains in progressing. So rather than waste time, relationships, money on something that can not be obtained, or has little impact on what your goal is. It would be best to see what can be done on your own spare time and effort and a community that you fit in with.
Thank you for your analysis.
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Decided I will try and put my focus on the Yi Jing right now, for the metaphysics part of my training that is. If I look back, it always seemed to allow me to connect with people in a nice way. Even some people who are completely opposed to the idea of divination. Since we have strong wood energy this year and the next, and wood is one of the weaker elements in my bazi chart, perhaps its a good time. Plus, seems like we have a reasonable large amount of information in the forums about this.
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So yesterday, I did another consultation :D: How can YiJing study help me to progress on the path?
Got hex 61 with no moving lines. https://www.bright-hall.net/wwg/61,0,0,0,0,0,0,4,7,2022-06-30,22:35 (https://www.bright-hall.net/wwg/61,0,0,0,0,0,0,4,7,2022-06-30,22:35)
- Vulnerable is probably resource, but perhaps also siblings in the idea of the development of the self and gaining self confidence in a challenging time.
- month branch effect
- 3 chou is not neutralized because in associate
- all 4 fire and earth are strong
- day branch effect
- 2 parents are strengthened
- 2 earth including self are devitalized
- invisible shen on 3 becomes effective through opposition *
- line 3 chou (shen)
- invisible became active by db but is vaulted by original line chou
- line 5 si (zi)
- invisible on 5 becomes active by devitalizing its original line
- it vitalizes 2 mao's but devitalizes 2 si's vulnerable
Overal seems to be reasonably balanced. And a flow of energy from wood -> fire -> earth. Going strongly towards the center.
Self wei combines with the resource structure of the month. On the other hand, there is not much happening. No changing lines. Only the zi which is on the white tiger is active.
Since it seems the earths on 3 and 4 are not active (at least by chiu's rules), they don't oppose each other. Can we say these sibling lines are in harmony which each other? A connection between the unconscious and conscious is formed?
Interesting is the position of the deities. Bird and Dragon on bottom 2, Tortoise and tiger on top. Might be an indication to put a little bit more emphasis on the intuitive aspect. So perhaps in addition to the Liu Yao, might also be a good time to study the plum blossom divination.
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How can YiJing study help me to progress on the path?
Seems very nice in my view.