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Library => Liu Yao => Topic started by: Sacrar on January 20, 2020, 08:10:25 PM
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In numerous queries related to love relationships, parents appear, either involved in a line of change or in the line of Other. I have not found literature in Liu Yao that deals with this particular aspect. Parents is defined primarily as the parents of those involved, but it seems obvious that this is not the case in this type of questions or inquiries.
In Bazi it is said that Parents correspond with:
- Resources / potential
- Order and organization
- Concerns / fears
- What is already established / existing / settings / preset
- A result
- somewhat complex
- external support
- ¿karma/destination?
In Liu Yao the most obvious, considering that Official is the Yong Shen, for female consultants, would be the Xie Shen, the entity that wears down / exhausting to Official, then something that wears down Yong Shen.
Beyond this what do you think it means Parents? could it mean the stability of the relationship? marriage?
As an example look a recent consultation from a woman asking for a long term perspective on her current relationship with a man.
(https://i.ibb.co/9GrgvtC/parents-relationship.png) (https://ibb.co/7b1Cz46)
Parents in this hexagram appears as Other line and also is line changing in 6th place.
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In this consultation, a woman asked about a previous relationship that had ended and wanted to start over.
She asked, "What can I expect from him?
(https://i.ibb.co/3c2PD53/relationship.png) (https://ibb.co/Hq69WLS)
Parents appears as the resulting moving line and hidden.
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Who threw the coins?
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Who threw the coins?
Consultant by himself, who asks questions. Why?
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Subject and Object empty, we don't value this question.
Probably the woman's question is testing, that is not current
circumstance for man and woman.
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Puppylove used Parents as communication. Then Child as happiness in the relationship.
Seems to work.
If the consultant made the question we need to know on what line is she. Asset line is self, so she may be on self, yet there may be many reasons she would be on others, sibling or other lines... So it becomes complex to read with the present info.
I can recommend Puppylove topics about this, when it comes to relationship we have more examples there and the pattern given seems to work very well.
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Well... I will try, I'm much better for people I know personally, rarely as easy through forums, but just to show some outline how it works for me. This is if she is on Asset / Self line.
Another woman on line 6, so the person asking may not know that is part of the situation.
Officer for the guy.
Other line for the relationship.
The other woman is storage of Fire, fire is Child(happiness), also the empty relationship line. Meaning he sees chance for happiness with another woman(doesn't currently have it, as no combination).
The surrounding(people around them) are currently weakening her and they will start supporting him and judge her actively.
Sibling > Officer.
Any happiness left in the relation around her(connected to this question) will be lost as well.
Summary. No hope there the way its going. And seems difficult to change stuff, currently(always possible, however).
Just my way of reading it and only valid if she is on Self.
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@Gmuli .. hI
.. for my part am sure self line is asker (woman).
Lower trigram is kun earth and changed trigram is shun wind .. both of them are female trigrams.
She trying to find a solution .. hence the moving lines on lower trigrams ..
Is fruitless due to Fan Yin .. she hurts herself to insist with this relationship .. (clash and hurt of moving lines )
.. that way I see this case ..!!
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Woman wants to be married with him but he is not ready for it ..?
@ Sacrar, Tientai, this interests me, ask Sacrar about that woman
whether that question is active or not. If not, he was the epitome of WWG
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@Gmuli .. hI
.. for my part am sure self line is asker (woman).
Lower trigram is kun earth and changed trigram is shun wind .. both of them are female trigrams.
She trying to find a solution .. hence the moving lines on lower trigrams ..
Is fruitless due to Fan Yin .. she hurts herself to insist with this relationship .. (clash and hurt of moving lines )
.. that way I see this case ..!!
Wanting to add something more ...
By this quick analysis .. this case seems just like "building a backbone of a corpus "
Next step is to fathom deep if is needed .. but we aren't professionals (Profesional Diviners have face to face with their clients .. so can deepen relatively much easier to give many info .)
That's wy many times I don't go further on analysis .. still anyone can do .. and many times successfully. ..
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Who threw the coins?
Consultant by himself, who asks questions. Why?
I don't understand your answer. Do you mean that a consultant threw the coins for this female querent?
And was this the first divination that she requested on this topic?
What are the characters after "Parents" in your subject line? I can help correct the Subject line so that it's more legible.
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@JLim, I'm asking who threw the coins, that female inquirer or Sacrar?
This is not indifferent to assessment. And nobody answered what the situation was
when the O and S lines are empty. ;D
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@JLim, I'm asking who threw the coins, that female inquirer or Sacrar?
This is not indifferent to assessment. And nobody answered what the situation was
when the O and S lines are empty. ;D
I had some very clear cases when one of the lines was empty in the other forum. And the other party view them as distant and thought the relationship was falling apart. Yet it wasn't, when the line was out of void all got good again and it was very clear to see coz she called him half an hour before the day when the void ends and he didnt respond. Then he called her half hour after the day got out of void. :)
So one line in void means one is distant at times.
When both lines are void it means both are distant, logically.
However, in this case I wouldn't go with "when both voids are full it will turn around" as there are reasons to think they are just far from each other. May have contact in some way when the void is full, but from there to relationship it seems to far. : )
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Who threw the coins?
Consultant by himself, who asks questions. Why?
I don't understand your answer. Do you mean that a consultant threw the coins for this female querent?
By consultant I mean person who consults to the I Ching (and throws coins), either male or female. In this case she is a consultant, a woman.
And was this the first divination that she requested on this topic?
Do you mean the first hexagram or the second? in any case I don't know if there were more questions prior to these...
What are the characters after "Parents" in your subject line? I can help correct the Subject line so that it's more legible.
Are the Chinese characters to refer to Parents, six relatives (父母). But, I don't know what happens when You log out of the forum they it is seen as distorted. You have to be logged into the forum to see it without the distortion of the ascii code.
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You can just copy/paste from the calculator... 父母
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You can just copy/paste from the calculator... 父母
That is what I did!
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Subject and Object empty, we don't value this question.
Probably the woman's question is testing, that is not current
circumstance for man and woman.
The Kong Wang aspect in both Subject and Other may mean that she is living an unrealizable fantasy. Maybe she is not clear about whether to initiate the relationship, and of course neither the Other.
In any case, the examples presented are to exemplify the question of the topic of the forum thread, that is, the meaning of Fathers/Parents in affective relationships.
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@Sacrar,By consultant I mean person who consults to the I Ching (and throws coins), either male or female. In this case she is a consultant, a woman.
That's true, but I'm not asking if the questioner is male or female.
There's a difference in the analysis if you ask someone else (you tossed the coins)
or the questioner himself dropped the coins, well, that's understandable?
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You can just copy/paste from the calculator... 父母
That is what I did!
Very strange. There is something messing up the process, though(forgetting the font you copy on), no idea why.
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@Sacrar,�By consultant I mean person who consults to the I Ching (and throws coins), either male or female. In this case she is a consultant, a woman.�
That's true, but I'm not asking if the questioner is male or female.
There's a difference in the analysis if you ask someone else (you tossed the coins)
or the questioner himself dropped the coins, well, that's understandable?
the consultant ask questions, throws (toss) the coins and draw hexagram (full process) . I only analyze his hexagrams.
From this perspective, the hexagram should be analyzed exclusively from the point of view of the consultant.
Subject (Shi line)=consultant/questioner
consultant kən-sŭl′tənt►
n.
One who gives expert or professional advice.
n.
One who consults another.
n.
A physician who is called in by the attending physician to give counsel in a case.
So there are 3 people?One that asks, one that consults her and the person consulting her is giving the info so you can read it?
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@Sacrar,�By consultant I mean person who consults to the I Ching (and throws coins), either male or female. In this case she is a consultant, a woman.�
That's true, but I'm not asking if the questioner is male or female.
There's a difference in the analysis if you ask someone else (you tossed the coins)
or the questioner himself dropped the coins, well, that's understandable?
the consultant ask questions, throws (toss) the coins and draw hexagram (full process) . I only analyze his hexagrams.
From this perspective, the hexagram should be analyzed exclusively from the point of view of the consultant.
Subject (Shi line)=consultant/questioner
consultant kən-sŭl′tənt►
n.
One who gives expert or professional advice.
n.
One who consults another.
n.
A physician who is called in by the attending physician to give counsel in a case.
So there are 3 people?One that asks, one that consults her and the person consulting her is giving the info so you can read it?
Ahhh, now I understand the confusion, it's all due to a misuse of English. Excuse me. I see it's not appropriate to use consultant, but rather inquirer or questioner (who asks questions and draws hexagram)
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Then she is making it all, great, then she is on Self. : )
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You can just copy/paste from the calculator... 父母
That is what I did!
Very strange. There is something messing up the process, though(forgetting the font you copy on), no idea why.
Gmuli, I also find it strange. If you try to copy/paste it to the other forum, does it also happen?
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You can just copy/paste from the calculator... 父母
That is what I did!
Very strange. There is something messing up the process, though(forgetting the font you copy on), no idea why.
Gmuli, I also find it strange. If you try to copy/paste it to the other forum, does it also happen?
It doesn't if I do it. I can even set it on title(check the subject of the reply).
So I'm assuming its something unusual with Sacrars operational system. Win 10 for exmaple has changes in all ASCII coding of its major fonts... Or maybe he doesn't have Chinese fonts in his OS... Something like that, but it isn't coz of the forum or the site, its something in his OS I think.
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@Sacrar, The first thing I asked was who threw the coins, if you had thrown them instead of the woman, the analysis would have been different. ;D
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@Sacrar, The first thing I asked was who threw the coins, if you had thrown them instead of the woman, the analysis would have been different. ;D
I thought I answered it before. The person who asks the Yijing to do the whole process, asks, throws coins and draws hexagrams. And they are all women.
They are women asking for themselves, then the Subject line (Shi Yao) is the person who asks
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Puppylove used Parents as communication. Then Child as happiness in the relationship.
Seems to work.
If the consultant made the question we need to know on what line is she. Asset line is self, so she may be on self, yet there may be many reasons she would be on others, sibling or other lines... So it becomes complex to read with the present info.
I can recommend Puppylove topics about this, when it comes to relationship we have more examples there and the pattern given seems to work very well.
I'll check this with other inquiries I have to see how it fits. @Gmuli , do you think that parents can also be in some cases the formalization of the couple's relationship? Just like a marriage is the union of Asset+Official, following the wu xing cycle of generation. The puppylove posts are in this or the other forum?
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As an example look a recent consultation from a woman asking for a long term perspective on her current relationship with a man.
(https://i.ibb.co/9GrgvtC/parents-relationship.png) (https://ibb.co/7b1Cz46)
Parents in this hexagram appears as Other line and also is line changing in 6th place.
Guessing on this case I would say :
For male part :
1. The male on this relationship is on the lower trigram .. and Yongshen is Parent 1st unmoving line .
2. Officer 2nd line moving and retreating is his real problem for this relation .. he was frighten to continue perhaps felt a gun on his head !! (officer retreating moving line) .. so feel better alone ..!! ( clash of Mao with You ).. Perhaps he has another view for sexuality .. (Azure Dragon ). ..!!
3. Mao can produce Other Si fire line in Tortoise instead... (He likes to hold a secetive mood ?..or like to have contact with Other relations ? )
For female part :
1. Both moving lines are strangely connected and trying to come back to support Self line ..!!.. are outside the situation of relation .. (these lines aren't between Self - Other Lines )..
Seems just as one wants even for a last time to try to recover this relationship.. but time isn't come back ..!! (You clashes Mao )..
2. And hence communication is rejected from the part of the male .. (even if Other Si parent 1st line could move can hurt Self You child line at last ...) ..
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