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Title: Sports Prediction using WWG or/and SuperIChing
Post by: Kes1979 on April 21, 2019, 08:52:43 AM
To test whether our skills or knowledge of IChing is good, can we use WWG or SuperIChing to test on the sports prediction? Because we will see the results on that same day and. Hence we do not have to wait.

We will just choose 3 games per day and exchange pointers on what went right or wrong.

Is everyone ok?
Title: Re: Sports Prediction using WWG or/and SuperIChing
Post by: Kes1979 on April 21, 2019, 09:59:45 AM
One thing i not sure is that if all of us use IChing to predict a particular sport event, will the outcome be the same?
Title: Re: Sports Prediction using WWG or/and SuperIChing
Post by: Gmuli on April 21, 2019, 12:45:56 PM
One thing i not sure is that if all of us use IChing to predict a particular sport event, will the outcome be the same?

Haven't used it for sports a lot. I have seen 2 examples of that, one was with Self and Other for our team and the other team, while the alternative was with Officer for the guest team and Child for the team hosting the match(I think that one is from the Gold Yarrows for war example). 

Personally I don't have enough experience with sport events, yet, so can't really participate. : )
Title: Re: Sports Prediction using WWG or/and SuperIChing
Post by: Tientai on April 21, 2019, 01:40:14 PM
One thing i not sure is that if all of us use IChing to predict a particular sport event, will the outcome be the same?

It depends. :
1. How much experience and on desipher
2. How one is timely for favoring by such a Luck  (.. wealth gaining)
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Title: Re: Sports Prediction using WWG or/and SuperIChing
Post by: Kes1979 on April 21, 2019, 01:51:37 PM
Let's start with first match.

Everton vs Manchester United - Kick off at 830pm (GMT8+)

I have used GMULI software using SuperIChing. I have attached the printscreen of the divination. This divination is throught the random generator and not using the traditional 3 coins. I have predicted Manchester United to win and hence my self is Manchester United which is J in SuperIChing.

As you can see, the resulting hexagram is a six clashes hexagram but since the self is combining month, the 6 clashes is no longer valid.
From what i see Manchester United will win. The resulting sixth line (sh R) is returning back to its original. Although U (Everton) is with Gain, but it clashes with the Day Branches which the line is in void.

So Manchester United is the choice
Title: Re: Sports Prediction using WWG or/and SuperIChing
Post by: Kes1979 on April 21, 2019, 04:11:19 PM
This one consider lost ... as Everton now is 4-0 up

Let's start with first match.

Everton vs Manchester United - Kick off at 830pm (GMT8+)

I have used GMULI software using SuperIChing. I have attached the printscreen of the divination. This divination is throught the random generator and not using the traditional 3 coins. I have predicted Manchester United to win and hence my self is Manchester United which is J in SuperIChing.

As you can see, the resulting hexagram is a six clashes hexagram but since the self is combining month, the 6 clashes is no longer valid.
From what i see Manchester United will win. The resulting sixth line (sh R) is returning back to its original. Although U (Everton) is with Gain, but it clashes with the Day Branches which the line is in void.

So Manchester United is the choice
Title: Re: Sports Prediction using WWG or/and SuperIChing
Post by: Kes1979 on April 21, 2019, 04:27:05 PM
Next match - Reims vs St Etienne. I will go for St. Etienne.

So J is St Etienne in this hexagram. J got a R star which is good and moving line G star is producing the R Star. So overall, J is good and i believe St Etienne will win.
Title: Re: Sports Prediction using WWG or/and SuperIChing
Post by: The-Monk on April 21, 2019, 04:54:14 PM
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exchange pointers on what went right or wrong.

I have but one question:

Where is the "Why"?
Title: Re: Sports Prediction using WWG or/and SuperIChing
Post by: Kes1979 on April 21, 2019, 05:31:40 PM
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exchange pointers on what went right or wrong.

I have but one question:

Where is the "Why"?

May i know what u mean?
Title: Re: Sports Prediction using WWG or/and SuperIChing
Post by: Kes1979 on April 21, 2019, 05:46:24 PM
Last divination of the day. Villareal vs Leganes - kick off at 0030hrs (GMT8+)

I think Villareal will win.

Hence J will be Villareal, although J resulting line is Gain star but however it does not have effect of its own line. As for U which is Leganes, its resulting line is Sh K which had no effect on any line.
The hidden line is Line 3 which is the J. As such i think Villareal will NOT win. thanks
Title: Re: Sports Prediction using WWG or/and SuperIChing
Post by: The-Monk on April 21, 2019, 05:48:45 PM
May i know what u mean?

You asked for others to help others out by pointing where things went wrong.

But none of your posts have shown the full reasons of "Why" it was you came to use what rule for which bit, and to why that would result in the answer you gave.

You pointed out a Six Clash is no longer a Six Clash from a combination. This is also correct in terms of a function of meeting Six Clash with a combination. So what is my "Why?" here? Who is the Six Clash for? Why not the other?

You pointed out that Team X is J/Self Line. So what is my "Why?" here? Why is J/Self Line Team X? Why not another?

Without the "Why" on how you reach conclusions and what you used, it is impossible to give accurate, actionable and useful feedback and advice.
Title: Re: Sports Prediction using WWG or/and SuperIChing
Post by: Kes1979 on April 22, 2019, 03:02:12 AM
Sorry about it, didnt make myself clear.

I am new to I Ching, started with IChing on Raymond Lu book follow by SuperIChing from Alex.

All those mentioned like why is J ur chosen team is all in SuperIching website. But as i m new, i might nt understand fully on SuperIChing n hence need every members to help one another.


May i know what u mean?

You asked for others to help others out by pointing where things went wrong.

But none of your posts have shown the full reasons of "Why" it was you came to use what rule for which bit, and to why that would result in the answer you gave.

You pointed out a Six Clash is no longer a Six Clash from a combination. This is also correct in terms of a function of meeting Six Clash with a combination. So what is my "Why?" here? Who is the Six Clash for? Why not the other?

You pointed out that Team X is J/Self Line. So what is my "Why?" here? Why is J/Self Line Team X? Why not another?

Without the "Why" on how you reach conclusions and what you used, it is impossible to give accurate, actionable and useful feedback and advice.
Title: Re: Sports Prediction using WWG or/and SuperIChing
Post by: Gmuli on April 22, 2019, 09:20:55 AM
Sorry about it, didnt make myself clear.

I am new to I Ching, started with IChing on Raymond Lu book follow by SuperIChing from Alex.

All those mentioned like why is J ur chosen team is all in SuperIching website. But as i m new, i might nt understand fully on SuperIChing n hence need every members to help one another.


May i know what u mean?


I think the idea is to try to go over the way you think the system works.
For example you are setting Manchester on J(Self line) is there a reason(you are fan of Manchester) for that etc.

Another example you think Six Clashes is negated,because Manchester line combines with month.
That is a rule, but it has to have a meaning/reason.

There is the idea Six Clashes is a problem for J, But Six Clashes means each line is clashing, so logically it may affect both teams, so there are rules used here as well, why you think it only affects the Self line.

I can think of why you possible think that negation is more favorable to the Self(J) line, but the idea is to go over your logic, so we can move from there. If there is no logic, then you can't really conclude Manchester will win.

t(Zi) and cn(Chen) in month combine... I guess this works, 4th, 6th and the month seems to make combination with the rules for Earth<>Heaven lines.

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Although U (Everton) is with Gain, but it clashes with the Day Branches which the line is in void.

So if you go over the logic, you think Manchester will win with the rules you know from Lo and Alex. So how are you applying them exactly. : )

We have the end result as well now(Everton won with 4:0),


A side-note to make working with all these a little easier.
In the app fast switch from Pinyin to Alex notations is Alt+1 and Alt+4, as most of us haven't used them a lot. I added Super I Ching to the website as well, so people on mobile can see what we are looking at, also. We can change them near the option to show/hide lines. May need to press Ctrl+F5 for refreshing the cache if it doesn't show right away.
Title: Re: Sports Prediction using WWG or/and SuperIChing
Post by: Kes1979 on April 22, 2019, 10:25:53 AM
Please pardon me as i am still new to this I-Ching.. hope you all can guide me along. Thanks
Title: Re: Sports Prediction using WWG or/and SuperIChing
Post by: Gmuli on April 22, 2019, 11:04:07 AM
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Please pardon me as i am still new to this I-Ching.. hope you all can guide me along. Thanks

np, will try to cover what may possible be happening. : )

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You pointed out a Six Clash is no longer a Six Clash from a combination. This is also correct in terms of a function of meeting Six Clash with a combination. So what is my "Why?" here? Who is the Six Clash for? Why not the other?

Well the Self(J) line combines with the month branch(and line4) using Earth<>Heaven rules, so it makes sense the Six Clash is negated for the Self(Manchester), while the Other line is clashed by the Day Branch, no three way combination, so its still in that situation.

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You pointed out that Team X is J/Self Line. So what is my "Why?" here? Why is J/Self Line Team X? Why not another?

As teams and matches seems to be chosen randomly, I'm guessing there isn't a favorite team, its just setting one of the teams on the Self(J) line so he can read the hexagram. I would probably do the same, although as we see the result seems very inaccurate.

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Without the "Why" on how you reach conclusions and what you used, it is impossible to give accurate, actionable and useful feedback and advice.

And the end Manchester lost really bad. While the Yong line is weak, clashed by day branch and the Ti line while weakening itself, doesn't seem to give indication for so big loss.
Only explanation I can think of is that we are looking for the teams on the wrong lines.
However, this are the lines given by the person asking, so I don't know.
Title: Re: Sports Prediction using WWG or/and SuperIChing
Post by: The-Monk on April 22, 2019, 12:24:15 PM
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Sorry about it, didnt make myself clear.

I am new to I Ching, started with IChing on Raymond Lu book follow by SuperIChing from Alex.

All those mentioned like why is J ur chosen team is all in SuperIching website. But as i m new, i might nt understand fully on SuperIChing n hence need every members to help one another.

No problem.

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However, this are the lines given by the person asking, so I don't know.

But if the person asking doesn't know which line to assign, does it still make it the correct Focus?

If I want to know who was the one between my two children who stole a toy. And I chose child A as J/Self Line. Does looking at J/Self Line really tell the story?
Title: Re: Sports Prediction using WWG or/and SuperIChing
Post by: Gmuli on April 22, 2019, 12:54:13 PM
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If I want to know who was the one between my two children who stole a toy. And I chose child A as J/Self Line. Does looking at J/Self Line really tell the story?

Looking at the result of the match I would say no. : )
But how to assign it then, we have no relation to the teams. Can we just pick a random factor, like the team with red shirts represented by fire and it will work?
Title: Re: Sports Prediction using WWG or/and SuperIChing
Post by: Kes1979 on April 22, 2019, 01:41:17 PM
the reason i choose Manchester United as J is because from the SuperIChing website, the J is the one that you chosen that the team will be the winner or favourite to win.

So personally for Everton vs Man U, i think Man U will win and hence J is Manchester United for this case.
Title: Re: Sports Prediction using WWG or/and SuperIChing
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Title: Re: Sports Prediction using WWG or/and SuperIChing
Post by: Tientai on April 23, 2019, 08:09:44 PM
Hi all Participants ..

I've been experimenting several times with bets ...
The outcome of the success or failure I have drawn to some generalizations¨
1. if someone wants for simple curiosity to know the outcome of competitions. [.. does not bet ..experimenting only ] 
2. if he / she is poor and wants to earn little money from the bet. [betting .. but feel not safe and afraid don't fail]
3. if someone is ambitious and passionate about gambling and playing with plenty of money [he is optimistic that he is going to win]
4. if someone has shares (stock market ) and in order to win he must sell or buy [looks like betting]
5. With regard to football matches, is much easier on betting under / Over modulation ... than trying to learn the outcome of the match [Winner - draw - Loser ]

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Title: Re: Sports Prediction using WWG or/and SuperIChing
Post by: Kes1979 on April 24, 2019, 07:16:03 AM
Hi Tientai, you mention that rather than focus on The outcome of a soccer match (Win, draw or lose), you can focus on total goals. How do we see that in Hexagrams? Thanks

Hi all Participants ..

I've been experimenting several times with bets ...
The outcome of the success or failure I have drawn to some generalizations¨
1. if someone wants for simple curiosity to know the outcome of competitions. [.. does not bet ..experimenting only ] 
2. if he / she is poor and wants to earn little money from the bet. [betting .. but feel not safe and afraid don't fail]
3. if someone is ambitious and passionate about gambling and playing with plenty of money [he is optimistic that he is going to win]
4. if someone has shares (stock market ) and in order to win he must sell or buy [looks like betting]
5. With regard to football matches, is much easier on betting under / Over modulation ... than trying to learn the outcome of the match [Winner - draw - Loser ]

......
Title: Re: Sports Prediction using WWG or/and SuperIChing
Post by: Tientai on April 24, 2019, 09:19:35 AM
@Kes1979 .. hi ..
Good welcome to this forum  ..

On this  forum all members are sharing some ideas about Chinese Metaphysics  ..  but no one is "teaching " or directing somebody. ..!!
This is a great responsibility .. but perhaps @JLim  that is recognised Master on many subjects can help you perhaps with PM ( Personal Message  ).

Anyway I will answer to you in metaphorical way ..!!
How easily you ever catch a mouse in a fields ?
How easily you ever catch a mouse in a house ?
How easily you ever catch a mouse in a room ?
....
....
Is there any other way to catch this mouse  after all ?

Best regards
Tt.
Title: Re: Sports Prediction using WWG or/and SuperIChing
Post by: Kes1979 on April 24, 2019, 01:16:35 PM
Yes yes, i hope really will benefits all members here.

@Kes1979 .. hi ..
Good welcome to this forum  ..

On this  forum all members are sharing some ideas about Chinese Metaphysics  ..  but no one is "teaching " or directing somebody. ..!!
This is a great responsibility .. but perhaps @JLim  that is recognised Master on many subjects can help you perhaps with PM ( Personal Message  ).

Anyway I will answer to you in metaphorical way ..!!
How easily you ever catch a mouse in a fields ?
How easily you ever catch a mouse in a house ?
How easily you ever catch a mouse in a room ?
....
....
Is there any other way to catch this mouse  after all ?

Best regards
Tt.
Title: Re: Sports Prediction using WWG or/and SuperIChing
Post by: Gmuli on April 24, 2019, 06:08:19 PM
Yes yes, i hope really will benefits all members here.

@Kes1979 .. hi ..
Good welcome to this forum  ..

On this  forum all members are sharing some ideas about Chinese Metaphysics  ..  but no one is "teaching " or directing somebody. ..!!
This is a great responsibility .. but perhaps @JLim  that is recognised Master on many subjects can help you perhaps with PM ( Personal Message  ).

Anyway I will answer to you in metaphorical way ..!!
How easily you ever catch a mouse in a fields ?
How easily you ever catch a mouse in a house ?
How easily you ever catch a mouse in a room ?
....
....
Is there any other way to catch this mouse  after all ?

Best regards
Tt.

I think that was more of a rhetoric questions then actual ones. :)
Even if they weren't, I'm not sure "yes" is the expected answer...

If you have questions how something work feel free to ask. If we can we will help, between all of us here we should be able to cover most questions one can think of about WWG. But you have to know what you want to know. : )
Title: Re: Sports Prediction using WWG or/and SuperIChing
Post by: Gmuli on April 24, 2019, 06:10:33 PM
Hi Tientai, you mention that rather than focus on The outcome of a soccer match (Win, draw or lose), you can focus on total goals. How do we see that in Hexagrams? Thanks




Well, one thing I was thinking about in that line was to use "asset" line and then bet on the match result a small amount. Then you don't need to care who will win the match, you just need to look if you will get money if you bet on that team. How to know that - Super I Ching has a lot on how to see investment/bets etc. May not be perfect, but I was somewhat happy with the way its presented there for that type of question.

I didn't actually tried it though, a lot of other stuff got in the way, but on similar questions it has worked fine enough(not sports related).
Title: Re: Sports Prediction using WWG or/and SuperIChing
Post by: Kes1979 on April 25, 2019, 02:35:17 AM
Maybe can give me an example, the below print screen was a divination of one of the match. We can call it Team A vs Team B. I favours Team B to win and hence my Team B will be Ti. So how do you see the match result?

By the way for divination, can we do the matches a few times? that means i select a few matches then i toss the coins for divination...
Because from what i know... tried not to cast a divination too many times per day if not it wont be accurate.


Hi Tientai, you mention that rather than focus on The outcome of a soccer match (Win, draw or lose), you can focus on total goals. How do we see that in Hexagrams? Thanks

Well, one thing I was thinking about in that line was to use "asset" line and then bet on the match result a small amount. Then you don't need to care who will win the match, you just need to look if you will get money if you bet on that team. How to know that - Super I Ching has a lot on how to see investment/bets etc. May not be perfect, but I was somewhat happy with the way its presented there for that type of question.

I didn't actually tried it though, a lot of other stuff got in the way, but on similar questions it has worked fine enough(not sports related).
Title: Re: Sports Prediction using WWG or/and SuperIChing
Post by: Gmuli on April 25, 2019, 07:53:38 AM
Assigning the teams is the big problem. I'm not sure how to do that in a consistant way. You can use what is used in the topic, Child<>Officer from Axis, in that case the Child team will be the guest team, as they are attacking the host(invading etc. much like Child element will be attacking Officer element, for example if Child is water, Officer will be Fire and water attacks fire).

Another view would be to set the team you ask for on Self, so if you ask if Manchester will win you set Manchester on Self line.

In my experience both are unreliable, as that was what the last few posts were all about. In that sense I can't really recommend approach there, can recommend to try the system in easier to read context, the sports events suggest we are already very well experienced in easier questions.

In short I would advice to start with situations that you know in a very good way, from daily life then get used to how the lines and trigrams fit to the events. After a few years/months can start to try to situation that aren't directly related to you and still get it somewhat correct. But sport events unless we clear it out for the line assignment I wouldn't advice for now.

I don't have problems with betting or gambling(as it is part of life much like the rest we view here), but they are more difficult to read at least from what I have seen.

Much like starting to learn the five arts from QMDJ... Its not impossible, yet if we view the people on the west that tried it it seems no one actually made it work. So step by step, from easy questions of events we know and can easily check to more difficult and complciated readings like elections, global events etc.

Only my view, of course. : )
Title: Re: Sports Prediction using WWG or/and SuperIChing
Post by: Gmuli on April 25, 2019, 08:01:27 AM
I will try on that one, though as to give some example of how it could work, although again don't take it as real thing.

From this I would guess the team that is a guest in the match will lose as its line is much, much weaker(in the month and then again weak in the day), while the team that is host in the math is much stronger.

Meaning Child on Self is weak in day and month, while Officer on Yong is supported by the day.

Asset line moves in a way that will support the Self line. Does this line interact producing Other line... Even if it does the Slef line is still better supported as the Day is on its site.

To check that we can see if you asked the question from the point of view of the team that is the guest(as Child line is on Self).

Summary : The host team will win, starting strong then getting more equal during the match, but still stronger at the end.

If that was the question then both ways of reading seems to combine here. However even if its accurate now I wouldn't count on it for consistency. : )

What match is this btw?
Title: Re: Sports Prediction using WWG or/and SuperIChing
Post by: Kes1979 on April 25, 2019, 02:45:38 PM
The game end up at 1-2. With the host losing to away. This match is Rostov vs Lokomotiv Moscow

Sometimes i wonder do the tossing of the coins played a part as well... there were a few times that one of the coins dropped to the floor and i have to do it again but i did not restart back to Line 1.

Because at that particular timing, i toss the coins for about 6 matches at one go...

I will try on that one, though as to give some example of how it could work, although again don't take it as real thing.

From this I would guess the team that is a guest in the match will lose as its line is much, much weaker(in the month and then again weak in the day), while the team that is host in the math is much stronger.

Meaning Child on Self is weak in day and month, while Officer on Yong is supported by the day.

Asset line moves in a way that will support the Self line. Does this line interact producing Other line... Even if it does the Slef line is still better supported as the Day is on its site.

To check that we can see if you asked the question from the point of view of the team that is the guest(as Child line is on Self).

Summary : The host team will win, starting strong then getting more equal during the match, but still stronger at the end.

If that was the question then both ways of reading seems to combine here. However even if its accurate now I wouldn't count on it for consistency. : )

What match is this btw?
Title: Re: Sports Prediction using WWG or/and SuperIChing
Post by: Gmuli on April 25, 2019, 03:07:29 PM
The game end up at 1-2. With the host losing to away. This match is Rostov vs Lokomotiv Moscow

Sometimes i wonder do the tossing of the coins played a part as well... there were a few times that one of the coins dropped to the floor and i have to do it again but i did not restart back to Line 1.

Because at that particular timing, i toss the coins for about 6 matches at one go...

I will try on that one, though as to give some example of how it could work, although again don't take it as real thing.

From this I would guess the team that is a guest in the match will lose as its line is much, much weaker(in the month and then again weak in the day), while the team that is host in the math is much stronger.

Meaning Child on Self is weak in day and month, while Officer on Yong is supported by the day.

Asset line moves in a way that will support the Self line. Does this line interact producing Other line... Even if it does the Slef line is still better supported as the Day is on its site.

To check that we can see if you asked the question from the point of view of the team that is the guest(as Child line is on Self).

Summary : The host team will win, starting strong then getting more equal during the match, but still stronger at the end.

If that was the question then both ways of reading seems to combine here. However even if its accurate now I wouldn't count on it for consistency. : )

What match is this btw?

Puppylove used to say we choose whatever site we see first when we take it.
But again would advice to start with real life situations and after that move to sport events or other global events. As that part I haven't seen people in real time predicting it in forums with high enough accuracy.

Jack Chiu has a very impressive example in his book, but we can't really know the circumstances it was made and how accurate he was before the match actually happened, as his other examples in forums were all after the matches were over.

So in short - the sport branch of the system isn't working very well yet. Someday, hopefully...
Title: Re: Sports Prediction using WWG or/and SuperIChing
Post by: Kes1979 on April 25, 2019, 03:24:27 PM
Let me check w Jlim and see whether we can shed some lights
Title: Re: Sports Prediction using WWG or/and SuperIChing
Post by: Tientai on April 25, 2019, 07:01:57 PM
I give my way of viewing the Resault analysis ...
Maybe can give me an example, the below print screen was a divination of one of the match. We can call it Team A vs Team B. I favours Team B to win and hence my Team B will be Ti. So how do you see the match result?
When two football teams are in contest  ... the 1st is the Host teem Ti  (due to advantage of playground) and 2nd  is the Guest teem Marked as Yong  . This must be permanent and not changeable. !!

I will try on that one, though as to give some example of how it could work, although again don't take it as real thing.

From this I would guess the team that is a guest in the match will lose as its line is much, much weaker(in the month and then again weak in the day), while the team that is host in the math is much stronger.

Meaning Child on Self is weak in day and month, while Officer on Yong is supported by the day.

Asset line moves in a way that will support the Self line. Does this line interact producing Other line... Even if it does the Slef line is still better supported as the Day is on its site.

To check that we can see if you asked the question from the point of view of the team that is the guest(as Child line is on Self).
.. this was the case not give adequate result ... !!
In Alex Chius SuperIChing there is a quote saying that there is a big problem when seen Ti line having Child star ... (for queries on gaining Money )...
It seems as owner is going to spend stupidly and unnecessarily money. !!
I agree with Alex C. that Child is the source of Money (Asset ) .. and if found in Ti line  then owner is going to spend money just like a spring .. !!  [ on this case Chilld gives the opportunity to other teem  party to win  ] or [ Pocket exhausting .. !!]
Assigning the teams is the big problem. I'm not sure how to do that in a consistant way. You can use what is used in the topic, Child<>Officer from Axis, in that case the Child team will be the guest team, as they are attacking the host(invading etc. much like Child element will be attacking Officer element, for example if Child is water, Officer will be Fire and water attacks fire).

Child  - officer must be used very carefully  .. this is much useful for a battle [ par example ..or if someone is a Coach trainer of a teem ]  ... and not for a game .. perhaps there are some Similarities  but for gambling I think is much confused choice ..!!

Tt.

Title: Re: Sports Prediction using WWG or/and SuperIChing
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Title: Re: Sports Prediction using WWG or/and SuperIChing
Post by: Gmuli on April 26, 2019, 04:34:18 PM
Soo... I read the old topics and stuff, I think I have to give it some more tries, as by the Chiu rules back then the example we looked at last would have worked.

Lets view:
Liverpool vs. Huddersfield Town

Host - Liverpool.

(https://i.postimg.cc/XYxBNG6M/Liverpool.png)

Asked few seconds ago. The match is today at 21 my time(so in 5:36 hours of hosting).

Liverpool is host, also I'm more familiar with it, so I would say that is on Self line.
Huddersfield is on Others.

Both lines are in Void and will still be in Void when the match is played out.
They combine also both are strong in the day and month.
Liverpool maybe a little stronger.

So they combine - meaning no major problems between them, they should get along fine.
They are in void, suggest 0:0.

Both lines aren't moving, one more idea of 0:0.

A lot of other lines are moving.

Officer(the referee?) is moving, suggest activness from him in the match, however no major cards as he turns to himself and doesn't directly attack any line.Si<>Shen combination with the day also should restrict him.

Xu as Asset is moving that will empower Wei if it wasn't in void.
Does it make Combination with Wu on Others... Depends on the rules we use, but as it is line 4 and 6 I guess maybe it does. So maybe Other team is stronger then it seems. Still in void, though.

Si line is moving combining with Shen, and helping both teams. That line is Child also on the Day Branch. They will play well?Will turn to Chen earth supporting Liverpool more.

Summary: Would expect to be without any winner, without injuries or problems between the teams, they should go along nice. Not a lot of support from the crowd, however.

If I have to guess a exact score with go with 0:0.

The alternative rule here for Child and Officer...
Looking only at Child and Officer, if we take them as the teams themselves, Child as host(Liverpool) then I would guess that Liverpool may lose as the Child line is moving in a way to empower the Officer, restricting him at start then producing him at the end.

Lets see . : )

Of course, all this is just for fun, as previously mentioned so far it doesn't seem sport events work very well for me with the system, even though the other types of questions usually work well enough.
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Post by: Tientai on April 26, 2019, 06:23:36 PM
My opinion is that Liverpool will win  ...!!
Let's see what will happen  ..
I will decipher later on ...
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Post by: Gmuli on April 26, 2019, 06:35:38 PM
Well, we have all possible conclusions covered, so we can figure out a potential rule no matter how it ends and that is good. : )
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Post by: Tientai on April 26, 2019, 06:53:09 PM
.....
Looking only at Child and Officer, if we take them as the teams themselves, Child as host(Liverpool) then I would guess that Liverpool may lose as the Child line is moving in a way to empower the Officer, restricting him at start then producing him at the end.

.. try a quick  correction @Gmuli ...
 Host Ti Self Asset (Gain /wealth ) line as (Liverpool) and Child as Gest  Yong -Other line  is (Huddersfield Town) ....
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Post by: Gmuli on April 26, 2019, 07:22:21 PM
.....
Looking only at Child and Officer, if we take them as the teams themselves, Child as host(Liverpool) then I would guess that Liverpool may lose as the Child line is moving in a way to empower the Officer, restricting him at start then producing him at the end.

.. try a quick  correction @Gmuli ...
 Host Ti Self Asset (Gain /wealth ) line as (Liverpool) and Child as Gest  Yong -Other line  is (Huddersfield Town) ....
...

Well, then it would be the opposite. : )
But that is what I did for the last match with the idea Child is attacking Officer.
It didn't work out, in the example Jack Chiu is using it the other way with the idea that Officer is attacking the hexagram, so the attacking team, while Child is attacking Officer, so our team.

Title: Re: Sports Prediction using WWG or/and SuperIChing
Post by: Gmuli on April 26, 2019, 10:10:14 PM
Well, Liverpool won with 3:0...
No possible rule of what we covered seems to work here...

As Tientai said if we switch Child/Officer it would work, but that is what I tried the last time and it didn't work then... So in my view - again, something is still missing. : )

As far as line strengths go I'm confident there as that has proven in thousands of examples by now for non sport events.  So again we get to line assignment and in my view not much have changed, there are still rules that doesn't seem to work there.
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Post by: Tientai on April 27, 2019, 12:30:21 PM
My opinion is that Liverpool will win  ...!!
Let's see what will happen  ..
I will decipher later on ...
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My analysis for choosing Liverpool as winner is :
1. Ti self and Yong Other line is not real in Void  ..
2. Ti Self 1st line is wealth or asset .. gains help from 2nd Child moving line ..
3. Yong Other 4th line is relatively weaker than Ti Self line ..in Liu he each other but Wu fire child 4th line produces Ti Self.
4. Upper gua duplicates  In ancient texts, it says if the upper gua duplicates, your opponent is worrying about something. ..and stuck moving.
5. Yong Other line is Child star .. I treat it as source spending or exhausting star .. !!
That's enough to say Ti Self  will win...

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Hi All,
Tientai, I am not sure... you choose line 4 (other) Wu Fire Yong shen, its possible by priorities Self, Other, mutant line etc...;
but I choose line 2 Si Fire because its strong 'lin' by day, moving active line, source for Self.
Wu line 4 (Other) is void and non active, fourth line isnt strong generally.
I prefered to use line 2 Child because it was more helpful as Yong Shen, maybe...
Anyway, Officer Shen metal is weak in Spring...
Thank you

 :)
I was choose line 4 Wu fire not as Yuanshen but as  (other) Party (teem)...
The lines in Void (Ti Self   and Yong Other ) are not in real void ..
Much interesting is the moving lines 5th  and 6th  .. they change to the same Earth branch.. (Dublication upper trigram  )
.. it means that all lines of the upper trigram are somehow bounding .. !! (worry for (other) Party (teem)..) .. these lines neither advancing non retreating .. (a kind of stuck. .!!)interesting isn't it  ?
Yes I use 2nd moving child line as Yuanshen .. and 1st line Yongshen ..
....
Thanks for participation
Tt.


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Post by: Gmuli on June 06, 2019, 12:32:00 PM
Soo... I read the old topics and stuff, I think I have to give it some more tries, as by the Chiu rules back then the example we looked at last would have worked.

Lets view:
Liverpool vs. Huddersfield Town

Host - Liverpool.

(https://i.postimg.cc/XYxBNG6M/Liverpool.png)

Asked few seconds ago. The match is today at 21 my time(so in 5:36 hours of hosting).

Liverpool is host, also I'm more familiar with it, so I would say that is on Self line.
Huddersfield is on Others.

Both lines are in Void and will still be in Void when the match is played out.
They combine also both are strong in the day and month.
Liverpool maybe a little stronger.

So they combine - meaning no major problems between them, they should get along fine.
They are in void, suggest 0:0.

Both lines aren't moving, one more idea of 0:0.

A lot of other lines are moving.

Officer(the referee?) is moving, suggest activness from him in the match, however no major cards as he turns to himself and doesn't directly attack any line.Si<>Shen combination with the day also should restrict him.

Xu as Asset is moving that will empower Wei if it wasn't in void.
Does it make Combination with Wu on Others... Depends on the rules we use, but as it is line 4 and 6 I guess maybe it does. So maybe Other team is stronger then it seems. Still in void, though.

Si line is moving combining with Shen, and helping both teams. That line is Child also on the Day Branch. They will play well?Will turn to Chen earth supporting Liverpool more.

Summary: Would expect to be without any winner, without injuries or problems between the teams, they should go along nice. Not a lot of support from the crowd, however.

If I have to guess a exact score with go with 0:0.

The alternative rule here for Child and Officer...
Looking only at Child and Officer, if we take them as the teams themselves, Child as host(Liverpool) then I would guess that Liverpool may lose as the Child line is moving in a way to empower the Officer, restricting him at start then producing him at the end.

Lets see . : )

Of course, all this is just for fun, as previously mentioned so far it doesn't seem sport events work very well for me with the system, even though the other types of questions usually work well enough.


Actually, using Alex Chius rules it works perfectly. In his sport section at the site. Liverpool would be Asset,so would likely win

Nice time to mention that on the web calc there was bugs with the relations on Super I Ching, now is fixed.
If you used the Super I Ching notations may want to recheck as the relations were not aligned correctly back then(works all themes now).
Title: Re: Sports Prediction using WWG or/and SuperIChing
Post by: Sacrar on October 06, 2019, 03:10:07 AM
Very interesting all the contributions.

Let me....Match will be played today at 21.00 (UTC+2)
Simple yes or no question: will Barcelona win the match against Sevilla?
Barcelona (host), Sevilla (opponent)

From my zero experience in trying to predict sporting events, I don't know why I have the feeling that asset is usually an important focus star. I think it depends on the mentality of the one who to do the casting. After all football comes down to big bussiness, fame, money and popularity.

(https://i.ibb.co/gM7n62H/barcelona-sevilla.png) (https://ibb.co/8DBhXCT)
Here again we see a mutation in asset. I think Barcelona will win the match. RL3 (sibling=opponent) falls in tomb when combined with month and I see lots of water (Zi water day) everywhere feeding the wood of the self.
It is also is a six combination hexagram.

If Barcelona loses it means that I must continue to study six lines thoroughly, that anyway will be something I will have to keep doing :)
Title: Re: Sports Prediction using WWG or/and SuperIChing
Post by: JLim on October 06, 2019, 08:50:38 PM
Hi Sacrar, are you betting?  ;D  :D :D
Note that Subject is afflicted with Month Break (You clashes Mao).
Title: Re: Sports Prediction using WWG or/and SuperIChing
Post by: Sacrar on October 06, 2019, 10:36:45 PM
Hi Sacrar, are you betting?  ;D  :D :D
Note that Subject is afflicted with Month Break (You clashes Mao).

No, I don't bet. I am aware of the month breaker, however I did not take it into account, since the Asset line (3º, Hai water) combines with Hai year and day, so it is Strong. It would be such that the notation I use for this asset line:
+ (Strong, associate) (+= year, += day)
Title: Re: Sports Prediction using WWG or/and SuperIChing
Post by: tanpai on October 07, 2019, 07:52:08 AM
Final 4-0 ;D
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Post by: tanpai on October 07, 2019, 10:09:56 AM
You justify by the karma, ok, but the team also has karma! :)
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Post by: tanpai on October 07, 2019, 02:30:47 PM
Hi @tanpai
Just you think .. but you don't know... 
I Humbly be silent ..
Tientai..
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Post by: tanpai on October 07, 2019, 03:52:56 PM
Empty talk ;D
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Post by: tanpai on October 07, 2019, 04:11:44 PM
Hi Tientai
I wrote about this with Yi Jing, interesting that I can't see it anywhere in the topic !! ;D
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Post by: tanpai on October 07, 2019, 06:04:31 PM
I don't like empty talk either, but when I see it, I name it. What do you refer to when we start talking about karma, where do you narrow down the concept of karma? The law of cause and effect: applies to all beings, groups, countries, living and non-living things ... okay?
As I have already written above, Yi Jing and any endeavor in astrology,
to follow the right path and avoid the bad. Following the Tao also follows this principle.
There is one other thing I don't like about being someone in esotericism and spiritualism
he wants to keep boundaries - as if he were a cop.
Title: Re: Sports Prediction using WWG or/and SuperIChing
Post by: Sacrar on October 07, 2019, 07:52:07 PM
Final 4-0 ;D

yeah, too bad I didn't bet!!  ;D. The beginner's luck is called  :P

If anyone is interested, you can watch the soccer match summary on YouTube. There were many missed occasions of Sevilla, almost that they could have scored several goals, however none entered, the ball did not want to enter ...

And Barcelona also had some mishaps, several yellow cards and a red card (send off a player) in the last leg of the game without meaning. It could be the effect of the month break...
Title: Re: Sports Prediction using WWG or/and SuperIChing
Post by: tanpai on October 07, 2019, 09:58:41 PM
A strong signal for Barcelona's victory, Subject R.
The O team was very weak. You branch punish xu, hai
water weakens xu earth.
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Post by: tanpai on October 08, 2019, 10:11:02 AM
Hi Tientai
What you are saying is not what you think about karma. I have a feeling you do not have deep experience with Yi Jing.
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Post by: Tientai on October 08, 2019, 01:29:23 PM
No comments  ...
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Post by: tyc on October 09, 2019, 03:10:00 AM
I dont follow sports (baseball as well) anymore.  NYers need to support NY grams.  Let's go Yankee.