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Liu Yao / Re: Queries about Liu Yao/WWG Calculator - Bright Hall
« on: December 15, 2025, 12:55:48 PM »I have taken the liberty of creating this new topic, so that people can post questions about the Bright Hall calculator
Thank you, we do need more options for feedback We are openning a Reddit so people can interact(more info on the site), though, it will be a little restrictive at first(posts need approval etc.) but we plan to open it up later on if all is good. Hopefully can make some posts for each calculator , so people can ask or comment etc. later on.
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Liu Yao / Re: Liu Yao/Wen Wang Gua Resources in non-Chinese languages
« on: November 26, 2025, 01:46:58 PM »
They have preview in academie.edu by the way, all the books I think, we can read the first part, there is info about the whole initiative, seems good.
Wise idea to publish it in there, in my view too. Here is link:
https://columbia.academia.edu/XuanWanyan
They are in reddit as well, if someone is curious about something can ask.
I got one of the books in kindle... This one:
Undersea Eye – The Core Principles of I Ching (Six Lines) Divination (Haidi Yan 海底眼): A Must-Read Classical Text on Six Lines Divination, Wen Wang Gua, ... Series of the Classical Texts Book 6)
Good parts:
I like it so far, I'm on 1/3 of it, the Images are awesome, keeping in mind at that time stuff was different(for example vechicle may be less related to metal and more to wood etc.) , but with that I really liked that part.
There were some sentences at the start I enjoyed as well.
Can see that idea of the hidden hexagram used the whole time as well, that I love, more on that in the reddit group, there is whole topic.
Less good parts:
There are some practical advices I don't think will work very well in practice, like if Parent line moves what it means etc.
The Diagrams are not very easy to see in Kindle. That seems to be common problem in there. We can get what they show based on the context, usually, so not the end of the world.
Overall, great initiative and they are doing very good work, in my view. Will add their stuff to the calculators in the coming days, not entirely sure how and what , but at least the stems/branches is the plan to be there.
If someone has questions, can ask in the reddit groups I think.
Wise idea to publish it in there, in my view too. Here is link:
https://columbia.academia.edu/XuanWanyan
They are in reddit as well, if someone is curious about something can ask.
I got one of the books in kindle... This one:
Undersea Eye – The Core Principles of I Ching (Six Lines) Divination (Haidi Yan 海底眼): A Must-Read Classical Text on Six Lines Divination, Wen Wang Gua, ... Series of the Classical Texts Book 6)
Good parts:
I like it so far, I'm on 1/3 of it, the Images are awesome, keeping in mind at that time stuff was different(for example vechicle may be less related to metal and more to wood etc.) , but with that I really liked that part.
There were some sentences at the start I enjoyed as well.
Can see that idea of the hidden hexagram used the whole time as well, that I love, more on that in the reddit group, there is whole topic.
Less good parts:
There are some practical advices I don't think will work very well in practice, like if Parent line moves what it means etc.
The Diagrams are not very easy to see in Kindle. That seems to be common problem in there. We can get what they show based on the context, usually, so not the end of the world.
Overall, great initiative and they are doing very good work, in my view. Will add their stuff to the calculators in the coming days, not entirely sure how and what , but at least the stems/branches is the plan to be there.
If someone has questions, can ask in the reddit groups I think.
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Liu Yao / Re: Liu Yao/Wen Wang Gua Resources in non-Chinese languages
« on: October 10, 2025, 11:29:21 AM »
Do anyone know anything about this:
https://www.amazon.de/-/en/dp/B0FV8WG27T
It seems related to here:
https://www.ichingstream.com/2025/09/18/essential-classics-of-i-ching-divination-six-lines-divination-liu-yao-wen-wang-gua-and-the-na-jia-method/
Its very expensive, though and its not in google books, so there is no way to look how its actually translated... And it is a lot of books.
I'm curious if someone know more about the project there.
https://www.amazon.de/-/en/dp/B0FV8WG27T
It seems related to here:
https://www.ichingstream.com/2025/09/18/essential-classics-of-i-ching-divination-six-lines-divination-liu-yao-wen-wang-gua-and-the-na-jia-method/
Its very expensive, though and its not in google books, so there is no way to look how its actually translated... And it is a lot of books.
I'm curious if someone know more about the project there.
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Liu Yao / Re: Liu Yao terminologies
« on: October 10, 2025, 11:26:31 AM »"Significator" for Yòngshén? That's the first time I heard this term. Sounds an interesting term, although longer to say that the original Chinese word.
I am writing an English course on Liu Yao, and this is one of the few terms that I don't translate, so it's just Yongshenin the course manual.
That is always a great idea, in my humble view. Pinyin + the character and no one has to wonder what that is, some great books out there have been made unreadable because of translating terms in a silly way I think.
Great to hear about a course, more good Liu Yao materials out there is always a good idea, in my humble view.
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Liu Yao / Re: Liu Yao terminologies
« on: October 03, 2025, 10:40:06 AM »@Random88,
Re: https://www.reddit.com/r/Sixlinesdivination/
This subReddit group appears to share a common terminology e.g. Significator (用神, Yòngshén). Would you happen to know if there is a source (i.e. book, author or teacher) from where/whom they get their terminology?
Thanks.
Yea, although there are some differences, Host instead of Self etc, but they do explain why and it seems good reasons, although I like Self too.
I don't want to write too much or ask right now, the good old idea of "if it works well, don't mess with it", and so far it has been great, awesome terminology and the details provided can be very useful, but the basic concepts will soon be covered and I'm very curious where they will go next.
In my humble view, some of the details in there are awesome. The more info about the lines between Self/Host and Other/Correposnding for example is very new, for me at least and seems very valid. They have been mention in other places, of course, but not for reading, more for setting I think. So does other stuff.
But no idea, currently, what material its connected to or what happens when the basic terminology is covered.
I'm very curious where it will go(live examples or maybe book or something?hopefully something that is easy to access)..
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Liu Yao / Re: Queries about Liu Yao/WWG Calculator - Bright Hall
« on: September 28, 2025, 12:55:12 AM »
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Other Arts of Divination / Re: Alternative view on the Tarot
« on: September 27, 2025, 04:57:59 PM »
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Liu Yao / Re: Liu Yao/Wen Wang Gua Resources in non-Chinese languages
« on: September 27, 2025, 04:44:08 PM »
Ren:
Well... Divination for health is still divination, though...
Anyway, its Gmuli/Deian here, I like to change nicks and accounts from time to time, but you know all I know about the Dr. Tan direction of all this.
Well... Divination for health is still divination, though...
Anyway, its Gmuli/Deian here, I like to change nicks and accounts from time to time, but you know all I know about the Dr. Tan direction of all this.
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Liu Yao / Re: Liu Yao/Wen Wang Gua Resources in non-Chinese languages
« on: September 07, 2025, 12:27:18 PM »
Some possible additions. : )
Very nice group in Reddit here:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Sixlinesdivination/
There are some more books as well, I mentioned them in there in the same topic. But in general one is:
The Authentic I Ching - Dr. Wang Yang and Jon Sandifer
He tried to use all 3 systems together. Some parts were very interesting, but in general wasn't really the best fit for me.
There are a lot more materials for Liu Yao and Health now. One example is this:
I Ching Acupuncture - The Balance Method by David Twicken
There are others, usually checking around Dr Tans material can lead to interesting results.
Some more youtube videos and websites around as well, but nothing different then what is known already for the most part.
There were few interesting articles in website, like why the branch assignments are what they are, going alittle beyond what we know(opposite direction for yin and yang branches on yang trigrams etc.) but can't find it now.
Some facebook I Ching group were mentioning WWG, apparently with the idea they plan to move toward more topics around it... Can't say I saw that actually happening, so irrelevant for here at this point.
Very nice group in Reddit here:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Sixlinesdivination/
There are some more books as well, I mentioned them in there in the same topic. But in general one is:
The Authentic I Ching - Dr. Wang Yang and Jon Sandifer
He tried to use all 3 systems together. Some parts were very interesting, but in general wasn't really the best fit for me.
There are a lot more materials for Liu Yao and Health now. One example is this:
I Ching Acupuncture - The Balance Method by David Twicken
There are others, usually checking around Dr Tans material can lead to interesting results.
Some more youtube videos and websites around as well, but nothing different then what is known already for the most part.
There were few interesting articles in website, like why the branch assignments are what they are, going alittle beyond what we know(opposite direction for yin and yang branches on yang trigrams etc.) but can't find it now.
Some facebook I Ching group were mentioning WWG, apparently with the idea they plan to move toward more topics around it... Can't say I saw that actually happening, so irrelevant for here at this point.
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Liu Yao / Re: Liu Yao calculator time zone
« on: August 12, 2025, 02:16:54 PM »
Hi.
In my humble view, divination is based on what enters our awareness. So in theory any time you use is fine.
In practice, however, there are things more suited for us. If we don't look for them and choose something, with time that will likely start to work as well. But that initial suitability is always better found out by itself.
What I usually do for new divination systems is try not to force the answer. Get a few questions, can even ask the system to provide it in the more natural way for you. Then observe what it seemed to have provided, after the situations have ended and you know how they developed.
If you see it was using local solar time for a specific system, yet different time for another, then using that seem likely a good idea.
For me, since I'm using the relation of branches to solar time it won't make much sense to use time in other countries or clock time.
For example Sun at highest position = Wu horse.
For good part of the other time, Zi is midnight, Mao is Sunrise and You is Sunset...
Stuff like that is important. Espesially the connection of Mao to Sunset, as some stuff in other systems(8 mansions for example) can't really be explained without that.
(for example why the Images of the stars are what they are).
Anyway, short answer - worth doing some questions without thinking of specific time for it to show, or even specifically asking it to answer in the time that is most suited for you. Then reverse engineer what it answered. If it seems it used Chinese time then by all means, wise to do the same. If it used Solar - then same idea.
If it used time you didn't thought of, wise to see how to get that time, may be interesting pointer from the system for roots or something else. : )
In my humble view, divination is based on what enters our awareness. So in theory any time you use is fine.
In practice, however, there are things more suited for us. If we don't look for them and choose something, with time that will likely start to work as well. But that initial suitability is always better found out by itself.
What I usually do for new divination systems is try not to force the answer. Get a few questions, can even ask the system to provide it in the more natural way for you. Then observe what it seemed to have provided, after the situations have ended and you know how they developed.
If you see it was using local solar time for a specific system, yet different time for another, then using that seem likely a good idea.
For me, since I'm using the relation of branches to solar time it won't make much sense to use time in other countries or clock time.
For example Sun at highest position = Wu horse.
For good part of the other time, Zi is midnight, Mao is Sunrise and You is Sunset...
Stuff like that is important. Espesially the connection of Mao to Sunset, as some stuff in other systems(8 mansions for example) can't really be explained without that.
(for example why the Images of the stars are what they are).
Anyway, short answer - worth doing some questions without thinking of specific time for it to show, or even specifically asking it to answer in the time that is most suited for you. Then reverse engineer what it answered. If it seems it used Chinese time then by all means, wise to do the same. If it used Solar - then same idea.
If it used time you didn't thought of, wise to see how to get that time, may be interesting pointer from the system for roots or something else. : )
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Feng Shui / Re: Local change in magnetic field.
« on: June 08, 2025, 08:47:23 PM »
OK, so you don't have any predictions then I guess... Otherwise we would have seen them by now...
Its very sweet you are feeling ashamed for me... Especially since you are actually proving my point, and yes, of course it runs Linux, free and open source operational system.
They all do.
So what exactly is happening here?I'm all for getting along with other members, yet even when you are agreeing you seem to add comments on that that make it seem you don't...
It really doesn't matter now. This is good time to stop I think, as we both wasted each others time enough. Last post in this topic for me.
Its very sweet you are feeling ashamed for me... Especially since you are actually proving my point, and yes, of course it runs Linux, free and open source operational system.
They all do.
So what exactly is happening here?I'm all for getting along with other members, yet even when you are agreeing you seem to add comments on that that make it seem you don't...
It really doesn't matter now. This is good time to stop I think, as we both wasted each others time enough. Last post in this topic for me.
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Feng Shui / Re: Local change in magnetic field.
« on: June 08, 2025, 06:22:51 PM »Quote
At the same time, Linux is always one or three steps behind Windows in corporate solutions.
You are aware top 100 super computers use unix based systems right?
This isn't like 50 of them... Or 5 of them... its every single one.
That isn't enough?
Well, sure, few years after that every single super computer in the top 500 list now uses unix based systems.
Are they so cheap that people are willing to risk them on open source systems... No, in fact they are not. And that is exactly the reason only open source is the option there.
Sure, there may be some stuff to polish here or there, when it comes to someone using them at home, but I, personally can never take serious someone using Microsoft system for anything. So more expensive = better, then just isn't the case. Its usually the opposite.
And I have grown up having chance to observe it every step of the way, but lets not go there, as not really a topic for here.
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You just have nothing to offer for money. Understand? Make better predictions than mine for free. Oh, you don't know how. Sorry.
OK, I get its somewhat silly to fall for stuff like that, but I have to wonder by now... What are these predictions?Can you actually point me to where that predictions are posted?
I'm not going to post better ones, but after all this advertising I do have to see what are we actually talking about.
Post you linked before was about ancient texts or something I didn't see predictions...
Or just summarize it, what exactly so specific you expect in 2026 that its worth all that ?!Like do you expect the second coming of some or other creature or something?
And if its just "job loses" and AI improvements, that doesn't really need divination systems, that is common sense stuff by now.
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Feng Shui / Re: Local change in magnetic field.
« on: June 08, 2025, 04:09:30 PM »
I program in the Open Source community. There are no hidden seminars here, of companies that had "privileged" information for their chosen users... We all know the format as its publicly available and follow the documented releases, as that is free and available too.
We are a lot more focused on trying to make things better for everyone. So no place for the expensive seminars of greedy companies. Although, in my education I have seen that side of it all too, could have done same stuff without that I think.
I never understood why the Five Arts are, sometimes so much focused on profit and the closed format, in the world we live in that didn't seem a good choice for people. Yet that seems to be changing in different cases, so time will tell, I do believe the open initiatives will prove themselves worthy in here as well, as they usually do. Then if we are choosing based on what is good for people, the choices may lean in other directions...
That was always the plan, though. Stay in the open and meet the few that decide to join us here. Its very fun, no secrets to worry about, no closed stuff every step of the way or lies. I get both have their place,though, I had chosen back then to be the welcome wagon for the few that decided to approach this openly. There were others welcoming the rest. Although to be fair, I was a lot more active back then, have let it go for the most part, as its tiring now and there are others to point a way...
But for people that want to do this in an open way... There are good amount of those. Will that mean there is mountains of stuff I will never know... Of course. But its a very big world out there, that is always the case. We choose what we know, and its "powerfulness" is not the priority, its openness and honesty is. Although both have their place, but having only the first part is much scarier then having neither.
But its good you are posting your predictions for incoming years. If you get something right, that doesn't make you powerful, though, it just means you guessed something right. Its good, but it doesn't matter much in the long run, even people that aren't using any systems do that from time to time, after all. Its a privilege allowed to all.
I also make predictions. Did back then and still do now. I'm very happy with how that goes, but I have no reason to post it in forums or the open now. If you are curious how that go, can dig in archives of places, stuff is probably still there. As it doesn't mean much for me, yet in my estimate its usually accurate enough.
Someone somewhere said:
If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster
And treat those two impostors just the same;
I think that was greatly misunderstood in some Five Arts places and from a very good people,at times... That doesn't mean aim for the triumph and try to skillfully avoid disaster, in my humble view. As that is doing exactly the opposite of treating them the same.
it means that "winning" with great power, in this context that could mean making a somewhat accurate prediction, doesn't mean much more then "losing" with great failure, meaning making inaccurate prediction.
Both are just experiences one will learn from and move on at the end.
Of course, here you can say - " Ahh, but its easy to say when you make inaccurate predictions!its just to justify why...", yea that isn't really the case as I have always been happy with my predictions, be that in the open, or just with people around me. I'm just aware that there are a lot more important things in life then that. Open source is one of those things for me. Hopefully you will find something for you as well, if you don't have already.
We are a lot more focused on trying to make things better for everyone. So no place for the expensive seminars of greedy companies. Although, in my education I have seen that side of it all too, could have done same stuff without that I think.
I never understood why the Five Arts are, sometimes so much focused on profit and the closed format, in the world we live in that didn't seem a good choice for people. Yet that seems to be changing in different cases, so time will tell, I do believe the open initiatives will prove themselves worthy in here as well, as they usually do. Then if we are choosing based on what is good for people, the choices may lean in other directions...
That was always the plan, though. Stay in the open and meet the few that decide to join us here. Its very fun, no secrets to worry about, no closed stuff every step of the way or lies. I get both have their place,though, I had chosen back then to be the welcome wagon for the few that decided to approach this openly. There were others welcoming the rest. Although to be fair, I was a lot more active back then, have let it go for the most part, as its tiring now and there are others to point a way...
But for people that want to do this in an open way... There are good amount of those. Will that mean there is mountains of stuff I will never know... Of course. But its a very big world out there, that is always the case. We choose what we know, and its "powerfulness" is not the priority, its openness and honesty is. Although both have their place, but having only the first part is much scarier then having neither.
But its good you are posting your predictions for incoming years. If you get something right, that doesn't make you powerful, though, it just means you guessed something right. Its good, but it doesn't matter much in the long run, even people that aren't using any systems do that from time to time, after all. Its a privilege allowed to all.
I also make predictions. Did back then and still do now. I'm very happy with how that goes, but I have no reason to post it in forums or the open now. If you are curious how that go, can dig in archives of places, stuff is probably still there. As it doesn't mean much for me, yet in my estimate its usually accurate enough.
Someone somewhere said:
If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster
And treat those two impostors just the same;
I think that was greatly misunderstood in some Five Arts places and from a very good people,at times... That doesn't mean aim for the triumph and try to skillfully avoid disaster, in my humble view. As that is doing exactly the opposite of treating them the same.
it means that "winning" with great power, in this context that could mean making a somewhat accurate prediction, doesn't mean much more then "losing" with great failure, meaning making inaccurate prediction.
Both are just experiences one will learn from and move on at the end.
Of course, here you can say - " Ahh, but its easy to say when you make inaccurate predictions!its just to justify why...", yea that isn't really the case as I have always been happy with my predictions, be that in the open, or just with people around me. I'm just aware that there are a lot more important things in life then that. Open source is one of those things for me. Hopefully you will find something for you as well, if you don't have already.
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Feng Shui / Re: Local change in magnetic field.
« on: June 08, 2025, 10:06:59 AM »
Its good I made your day. Its vital no matter how knowledgeable we think we are, we always find small stuff that can brighten our day. Even more so in times when any information(with very few exceptions) is just a search away. Also admitting it is good, not everyone has the strength to do that. People often are too guarded for it behind walls of "knowledge" or "authority" that is rarely something worth keeping up even in simple interactions.
The rest, sadly, shows we view all these processes very differently, so much, that I don't think we will arrive at a common point, even if we both wanted that. Yet I will address some of the stuff, as I may be able to make your day again. Also why not, we started it. But it does make sense, to conclude it after that.
Anyway, can all this be measured or seen. Sure, these are "sustainable forms", you can see Metatron's Cube with simple experiments with water and forms. Its actually beautiful to see.
Can you see it with electrical/magnetic fields... I'm working on that. MIT have awesome free lectures on electricity and with that, arduino, some very affordable parts and some programming knowledge, one can do wonders.
In theory a lot of people have measured it, so I know where and what to measure. And good news is Arduino, similar to Raspberry Pi have insane amount of sensors, that are also very cheap. I guess I have already hundreds here. So yea, while all this is not difficult to see if we know where to look, making it with magnetic and electric components have been the next step for a while and I'm almost there. But I'm focusing on simple experiments first, to get all the rules, seems important to do that, as I do see the interactions there through metaphysical framework and staying away from the purely technical view to it seems vital for all.
Can Qi be measured... Of course it can, the Trigrams, Hexagrams and everything else are the measure for Qi, they are the units we work with.
Did Feng Shui practitioner knew that slight changes will change compass reading even few cm away... I've seen many that do, and they find different ways to compensate for it. Some even go far away outside the house, with strings connected to the front door, to be sure the angles are right.
But as everything, this is a vast field and its unlikely we will see a lot of problems people haven't already saw. Although it does happen.
Anyway, our views are very far away on how all this works. And we both seem to be very sure we already know. So lets leave it here.
The rest, sadly, shows we view all these processes very differently, so much, that I don't think we will arrive at a common point, even if we both wanted that. Yet I will address some of the stuff, as I may be able to make your day again. Also why not, we started it. But it does make sense, to conclude it after that.
Anyway, can all this be measured or seen. Sure, these are "sustainable forms", you can see Metatron's Cube with simple experiments with water and forms. Its actually beautiful to see.
Can you see it with electrical/magnetic fields... I'm working on that. MIT have awesome free lectures on electricity and with that, arduino, some very affordable parts and some programming knowledge, one can do wonders.
In theory a lot of people have measured it, so I know where and what to measure. And good news is Arduino, similar to Raspberry Pi have insane amount of sensors, that are also very cheap. I guess I have already hundreds here. So yea, while all this is not difficult to see if we know where to look, making it with magnetic and electric components have been the next step for a while and I'm almost there. But I'm focusing on simple experiments first, to get all the rules, seems important to do that, as I do see the interactions there through metaphysical framework and staying away from the purely technical view to it seems vital for all.
Can Qi be measured... Of course it can, the Trigrams, Hexagrams and everything else are the measure for Qi, they are the units we work with.
Did Feng Shui practitioner knew that slight changes will change compass reading even few cm away... I've seen many that do, and they find different ways to compensate for it. Some even go far away outside the house, with strings connected to the front door, to be sure the angles are right.
But as everything, this is a vast field and its unlikely we will see a lot of problems people haven't already saw. Although it does happen.
Anyway, our views are very far away on how all this works. And we both seem to be very sure we already know. So lets leave it here.
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Feng Shui / Re: Local change in magnetic field.
« on: June 07, 2025, 04:02:26 PM »
I think the fields, what they call "universe" around people, houses etc. is very intricate. At least if we believe the theories people present on that, but some seem to be possible to test...
There may be nested shapes and stuff, tetrahedrons for the Trigrams then 4-5 more finally ending with a torus. Metatron's Cube etc...
I think its studied in Sacred Geometry(the shapes in the fields).
Can we just operate that with magnets... I don't think so, Its like trying to move a car from one street to another, by setting a gigantic magnet above the whole city. Sure, the car may move, but so will all the other metal as well, nullifying much of the objective. One of the reason I never followed Alex Chius work after Super i Ching. Just not the tools to mess with the field with, in my humble view, that is.
There may be nested shapes and stuff, tetrahedrons for the Trigrams then 4-5 more finally ending with a torus. Metatron's Cube etc...
I think its studied in Sacred Geometry(the shapes in the fields).
Can we just operate that with magnets... I don't think so, Its like trying to move a car from one street to another, by setting a gigantic magnet above the whole city. Sure, the car may move, but so will all the other metal as well, nullifying much of the objective. One of the reason I never followed Alex Chius work after Super i Ching. Just not the tools to mess with the field with, in my humble view, that is.
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