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Bazi / Re: South vs North BaZi practical example 2 (Football Superstar ⚽⚽⚽⚽)
« Last post by JLim on December 17, 2018, 05:47:19 PM »
  H      D     M    Y
Ding  Bing  Jia   Bing
Mao   Wu  Chen  Yin        non-inverted (standard) chart
Wood and Fire gang controlling Chen.  Chen is controlled completely.  The chart uses Mao and Yin, which are strong roots of Jia DM.  Mao and Yin are Parallel Stars.  Parallel performing work means he works with physical effort/body to make money (Chen).
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  H      D     M    Y
Ding  Ren  Jia   Bing
Mao   Zi   Chen  Yin         inverted chart
Chen is not controlled.  The Wood and Fire gang is not strong enough here, because of the strong Water Pillar of Ren Zi.   Mao is broken too (Zi-Mao Po), so Mao cannot control Chen.  For a phenomenal success like Messi, if the chart wants to control Chen, then the controlling had better be thorough. But it's not thorough or complete in this case.

Questions:
- How would you plot the LP's for the inverted chart, I wonder?
- What do you think of 2016 Bing Shen in that chart.  Good or bad?

This discussion about Southern Bazi is not restricted to Mangpai, anybody with traditional style of analysis is welcome to comment. 
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Let's suppose that an observer in Northern hemisphere .. And it is 22 December and at 24: 00 ... looking at Northern sky, then the Ladder of the Big Dipper has taken the unique downward position pointing to  earth ... This also determines the start of the Winter Solstice. Solar term.
the point it shows is the Astrological earthly branch Zi water ...

if another observer on Southern hemisphere (on the same longitude with first observer) could see (probably couldn't see Northern stars) with some way the same hour and month would notice the same direction of the Ladder as the viewer on Northern hemisphere. !!!
It is reasonable that next earthly branches are the same for both hemispheres on months. .. the "Celestial Clock is what determines these Universal positions of Earthy Branches ... and not the Hemispheres of the Earth !! ".
...
Tientai


But the southern observer would not be experiencing the Winter Solstice, it would be experiencing the Summer Solstice. So, how do the qualities associated with Rat, for example, apply to the Southern Observer during a Rat Month?
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Bazi / Re: South vs North BaZi practical example 2 (Football Superstar ⚽⚽⚽⚽)
« Last post by Gmuli on December 17, 2018, 05:18:36 PM »
There's no need to delete this topic.  How about the other football superstar from Argentina, which is located in the Southern hemisphere?  Which chart reflects his phenomenal success?

https://bazi-calculator.com/?licz=1&n=Messi%2C+Lionel&h=05%3A55&d=24&m=06&y=1987&l=-60.40&src=1&g=-3&ds=&s=&rr=A

  H      D     M    Y
Ding  Bing  Jia   Bing
Mao   Wu  Chen  Yin        non-inverted (standard) chart

LP Jia Chen (2003-2013)
LP Gui Mao (2013-2023)

  H      D     M    Y
Ding  Ren  Jia   Bing
Mao   Zi   Chen  Yin         inverted chart

Well... Apparently he is in very stable relationship with 3 kids etc.
https://heavy.com/sports/2018/06/lionel-messi-wife-kids-anto-roccuzzo/

So if we look at the spouse situation... In non inverted chart spouse star would be Chen(Spouse Palace itself) in the day branch I guess?So that suggest unstable.

While in the inverted chart Zi<>Chen water combination and stable water pillar(resource as showing marriage in this case) does seem to reflect some of that. As it is in the month makes sense to be that strong as well.

If we use Phoenixs view to Pele chart here normal chart seems to make more sense again as we have his body doing work(Yin<>Wu) and a lot of competition in the month.
In the other way around would be a lot of support from the month.


I don't know, so far it seems it clearly leans to the non inverted charts when it comes to the job. And when it comes to Spouse, as we don't know them personally its difficult to be sure what is going on there imo.
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Bazi / Re: South vs North BaZi practical example 2 (Football Superstar ⚽⚽⚽⚽)
« Last post by JLim on December 17, 2018, 04:22:09 PM »
There's no need to delete this topic.  How about the other football superstar from Argentina, which is located in the Southern hemisphere?  Which chart reflects his phenomenal success?

https://bazi-calculator.com/?licz=1&n=Messi%2C+Lionel&h=05%3A55&d=24&m=06&y=1987&l=-60.40&src=1&g=-3&ds=&s=&rr=A

  H      D     M    Y
Ding  Bing  Jia   Bing
Mao   Wu  Chen  Yin        non-inverted (standard) chart

LP Jia Chen (2003-2013)
LP Gui Mao (2013-2023)

  H      D     M    Y
Ding  Ren  Jia   Bing
Mao   Zi   Chen  Yin         inverted chart
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Let's suppose that an observer in Northern hemisphere .. And it is 22 December and at 24: 00 ... looking at Northern sky, then the Ladder of the Big Dipper has taken the unique downward position pointing to  earth ... This also determines the start of the Winter Solstice. Solar term.
the point it shows is the Astrological earthly branch Zi water ...

if another observer on Southern hemisphere (on the same longitude with first observer) could see (probably couldn't see Northern stars) with some way the same hour and month would notice the same direction of the Ladder as the viewer on Northern hemisphere. !!!
It is reasonable that next earthly branches are the same for both hemispheres on months. .. the "Celestial Clock is what determines these Universal positions of Earthy Branches ... and not the Hemispheres of the Earth !! ".
...
Tientai
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Bazi / Re: South vs North BaZi practical example 2 (Football Superstar ⚽⚽⚽⚽)
« Last post by Gmuli on December 16, 2018, 07:41:15 PM »
And turns out he was born in Portugal... Ok I give up. Delete the topic if you want, no point now.
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Bazi / Re: South vs North BaZi practical example
« Last post by Gmuli on December 16, 2018, 07:26:13 PM »
Yea, its bad for the inverted charts community... But check Cristiano Ronaldo(new topic).

http://fivearts.org/index.php?topic=627.0
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Bazi / Re: South vs North BaZi practical example
« Last post by JLim on December 16, 2018, 07:06:48 PM »
Pele is even more unclear... In his autobiography he has given 23 october as time of birth, on birth certificate is 21 october... What would we choose unknown md in 1940 in Brazil, or what the person is giving... Both obviously may have problems when it is 2 days apart...
Hi Gmuli, look at Source Notes in astro-databank.  October 21st looks credible.
B.C. copy in hand from Marcello Borges stating Pele's birth date as October 21st. Evidently, early in Pele's career a seer advised him to say that he was born three days later, October 24, to get a stronger Scorpio image.
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Bazi / South vs North BaZi practical example 2 (Football Superstar ⚽⚽⚽⚽)
« Last post by Gmuli on December 16, 2018, 07:05:15 PM »
So I would agree the southern bazi team(that seems to start and ends with me) got a real hit with Pele chart.
However, as we aren't sure of the birthday(not just time, the whole day), it isn't very clear in my view.
 I'm willing to set it to 1:0 to non invert bazi team, however there is still time to recover.

And I plan to do it with Ronaldos chart.
As the final hit was from the marriage situation, lets just look at that here.
Here is some info:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cristiano_Ronaldo
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cristiano_Ronaldo
https://www.quora.com/Who-is-cristiano-ronaldos-real-wife

HDMY
Ji Yi Wu Yi
Mao Hai Yin Chou

This is his non inverted chart. Hai combines with Yin.
Suggest stable relationship for most of his live(if we look at month chart starting 18+ already started).
Even if the hour pillar may add some distraction that is late in life usually.

However the inverted chart:
HDMY
Ji Yi Jia Yi
Mao Hai Shen Chou

Now, here we have harm to spouse palace, suggest many relationship, not stable one.And Shen is very strong in month pillar and all, so we can even say Hai is damaged.

Real life situation - haven't been married, many affairs so far. Inverted chart... 1:1?
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