Kong Wang (empty/void): Fake Kong wang + Kong wang filled

[Sacrar]

I have seen several cases where Jlim comments on questions about kong wang, but it is not clear to me what the difference is between a fake kong wang and a kong wang that fills up.

To put the matter in order I start with a couple of rules:

Rules for Void/Empty:

1. Void cannot support others. Neither can it be supported others.
A. Unless it exists within the Month (as it is impossible for it to be Void and exist within the Day).
B. It is being Clashed by the Day whilst being supported by a third party (Month, Moving Line that can Support, etc)

Jack Chiu:

It will not be a neutralized line if the line is in the Strong or Associate status on the scale of strength with respect to the Month Branch.

Question: With respect to being filled by the Month, it necessarily has to be exactly the same Month's branch or can it be any Month's branch with the same element (Wei-Xu-Chen-Chou; Yin-Mao; Wu-Si; Shen-You; Zi-Hai)?

Here an example of a soccer match. The team representing Self (Wei earth) won, so it seems either that the Void was filled or it was a Fake void. The month of Xu earth fills the Wei earth void?
 

[Tientai ✝️]

Dear @Sacrar .. and @all ..
How could you find the idea if we select special days on making divination that can facilitate the chose of void or out of void ?..
Par example :
Today is month Xu and day Wei... void branches are : Chen , Si. .
This is a special day when making divination to take an Hexagram with Chen branch in void that today isn't void du to Xu /Wei date ..!!?
...

[Gmuli]

Dear @Sacrar .. and @all ..
How could you find the idea if we select special days on making divination that can facilitate the chose of void or out of void ?..
Par example :
Today is month Xu and day Wei... void branches are : Chen , Si. .
This is a special day when making divination to take an Hexagram with Chen branch in void that today isn't void du to Xu /Wei date ..!!?
...

I tried something similar some time ago... Was for native american divination system that I use a lot. Turns out then the stuff still happens, only now we don't really know about it, as we removed the sign that was suppose to tell us.

So would recommend just using it as it is, if the day leads to entombing something its not by chance that we want to ask at that exact time.

[JLim (Darma W)]

This football match hexagram does not seem to be a good case to isolate the impact of Kong Wang on the Self line, because the Others line does not fare well:
- the Others (Sibling) line is weak by Month and Day.
- the Others line is not supported by Hai or Zi. Zi is weak, and Hai is afflicted by Day Break.

It's difficult to imagine that the Sibling (opponent) has any power to win over the Self line.

[Tientai ✝️]

I agree with you @Gmuli  .. it was just an idea ..!!
We must not manipulate the time  ..!!
We better learn to use Kong wang whatever difficulty we facing  ..
..

[Sacrar]

Dear @Sacrar .. and @all ..
How could you find the idea if we select special days on making divination that can facilitate the chose of void or out of void ?..
Par example :
Today is month Xu and day Wei... void branches are : Chen , Si. .
This is a special day when making divination to take an Hexagram with Chen branch in void that today isn't void du to Xu /Wei date ..!!?
...

I don't know if I understood you. But what difference does it make which branches are empty if the hexagram you get is random?

This football match hexagram does not seem to be a good case to isolate the impact of Kong Wang on the Self line, because the Others line does not fare well:
- the Others (Sibling) line is weak by Month and Day.
- the Others line is not supported by Hai or Zi. Zi is weak, and Hai is afflicted by Day Break.

It's difficult to imagine that the Sibling (opponent) has any power to win over the Self line.

Well that's true, but the Kong wang aspect is said to be more important than any other. Even when Other is weak, if the team that Self represents is True Empty he could not have scored 2 goals as he did (2:0 result).

See if I can find other examples on this subject....

[Gmuli]

Well that's true, but the Kong wang aspect is said to be more important than any other. Even when Other is weak, if the team that Self represents is Empty he could not have scored 2 goals as he did (2:0 result).

See if I can find other examples on this subject....

As far as sports go, lately I have some doubts on the whole approach... Jack has example of it and he has read one tennis match in old forums, yet I haven't seen him using it for a match that is still not played, so no idea how reliable that is.

Technically, line strength can mean many things, but logically it would show what team is more capable, prepared etc.
Everyone that has watched sport, should be aware, that the better team, doesn't always win...

Im QMDJ, sometimes for football matches(soccer for US people), instead of looking only at the teams, there is representation of the ball for example(yang metal, seems to be one of those, as its round and moving fast, also it fits to the images of yang metal there, as something attacking the Jia, while in the game, attacking the "doors") and we can try to see where it will end up and stuff like that.

But watching only the lines, I have doubts will work(I haven't tried sports, lately a lot, but back when I was, was definitly not working with only looking at the lines).