Will my home be vandalized tonight?

[Sacrar]

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[Raymond]

The setting looks a bit... weird.
If Parent represents your house, the element that attacks your house should be wood (Asset).

Subject Parent with Bird, that suggests the "front" of your house.
Day branch Si clash line 2 Child Hai which is just above the Subject line, revealing the hidden Asset. The nearby kids are secretly "arming" themselves with eggs and ready to have fun!

Since Subject Parent is void, the street kids probably missed your house as they were going too fast/clumsy (Hai is post horse).

Let us know if the front of your house did/did not get egged by those naughty kids 

[Gmuli]

If you set both Asset and Parent, the relationship is fixed(your house will always attack its front for some reason). After that it becomes a mess, as what attacks your facade will carry same image as your house, and that will make it very challenging to provide you with the answer you seek.
At the same time the line attacking your house will be empowered by its facade.(and will be Sibling line in this case).
Problem is that this is not what the system is telling you, this is what you are telling the system to accept as true.

This is just how it all works. In this case the Hexagram is Metal.
That means that Asset line will be Wood, as that is what Metal controls.
It also means that parent line will be Earth as that is what produces Metal in most cases.
And that together means that Asset will always Attack parent, just on the start no matter what Hexagram we get. The question is what you can set on them, so it doesn't mess up the reading later.

Basically it means that with this Setting, the House will always attack its on facade, and anything attacking the house will be empowered by the facade. Making it a mess to answer, as the situation you described is too far off.


I like Raymonds view on this, if you check how the setting is read there it doesn't overlap. Its not his setting, however, so the bird can mean many other things. But If you set that much on the relations it has to be done in different ways. So at this step, wiser to be some stuff here, some stuff there and you combine into an Image.

That seems to be the base at this point. You are trying to set more then Focus and Other/Self line. that is great. However, it also suggests you are getting deeper in the system and for that to work it has to be done in a crafty way, so the system can provide you with what you ask.
Be that setting the facade on bird, although then in this case you still have to figure out how to read it as attacking, but that is easy here somewhat(if something attacks bird line, but doesn't attack house line - how do we read etc). Otherwise can just make it Yes/No question then setting all the sites to the animals if yes, or anything else you can think of). As long as it doesn't contradict what the hexagram can show.

[vadim]

I think there was nothing wrong with your house. The line of brothers in my understanding should not be taken into account. If we are conditionally traveling on a train, we can share food with each other. We have wives, but we can't share them. This is the meaning of the meaning of the line of brothers. This is the person who competes with me. In your chart, the parent line is empty. It is supported by the fire of the day, which is a plus to the safety of your home. The line of parents in the void means that your house is invisible. The officer's line does not move and gives birth to your house. There is no reason to worry.

[JLim (Darma W)]

Day branch Si clash line 2 Child Hai which is just above the Subject line, revealing the hidden Asset. The nearby kids are secretly "arming" themselves with eggs and ready to have fun!

The Child line can represent "fun".  Since the Child line is clashed, does that not mean "no fun"?  Si is Officer sitting outside of the hexagram, so it may represent some control measure that "protects" the house, maybe the authorities, neighborhood security etc.

I notice one interesting thing.  The Animal that represents round objects is Arranger (Gou Chen).  The Child line comes with Gou Chen, which means "fun event with eggs" 

[Sacrar]

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[Sacrar]

by the way

@Gmuli I would like to comment on the pre-fixed frame before casting. what is your experience? is it accurate and correct for you?

In my case I get mixed / inconsistent results. I think that most of the time the answer tends to go outside the framework, in the absence of further experimentation.

[Gmuli]

I'm happy with it. Accuracy is nice.

From what I have I may be able to guess why isn't for you, though.
Would recommend:

• Don't set more then 1 thing on the relations. When you are happy how accurate that is watch AK material again until its clear how to set more.
• Don't use  line position stuff, not inner/outter trigrams or line 2 as home - anything like that for some time, as keeping track on contradictions there may bring surprises.
• Animals - AK has recommendations and limits said somewhere in the material - don't exceed that.(can just think logically on how they are set to figure out as well)
• Self and other line is fine.

And try like that for a while it could work very nicely. May need less stuff to set, but will at least can provide some confidence to add more to it, later.

In this case - can set house on Parent line, you are on self. Animal on Parent line can show what side of the house will be most likely to be attacked.
That is all you need, no point setting more if you don't need it.

If at this point you set, for example Line 2 showing your home, it may brake(since you set the animal on line position, already).
If you set Lower Trigram to be the inside of the house - may brake again, for that same reason.
If you set Officer as the attack(potential) itself - brake again, for contradicting relations.
etc.

If you set both house and front site, the front site has to be on something clarifying the house line. It can be on animal, or on its position, or on a elemental branch it uses. But if its a separate line and its hardcoded to attack each other all bets are off to the result.

Overall, the trick is to set as little as possible and still have all info you need. After that you check what attack house line if its active then it will be attacked if it isn't then it won't be.

AK level 1 stuff... Its great, it works, but only what is clearly stated how to use. The rest(even the index) may need to know more to fully use. For the relations he did explain that part, how to set more then 1, but its not the way you are using, so may be wiser to stay with one for now and recheck in the future.

Only my experience, of course, not saying its universally valid or will work for all. And we aren't 100% accurate here yet, so its just what I can help with.

[callmenewbie]

Hello, maybe I can share some of my experiences here.
First of all, this hexagram is a static hexagram, the answer is already very obvious. Nothing going to happen.

For the setting wise, I think people here like Raymond and Gmuli already mentioned the problems.

I like to share something from here regarding the accuracy that Sacrar asked.
The accuracy from Alfred school is designed to be 100%. I mean the logic and theory we learn from Alfred. Of course, he has never disclosed this in his books or on his website. We learn this from his level two course. Although the accuracy has already designed to be high accuracy, but in practical, it still has some uncontrollable factors, like chaotic hexagram that Alfred has mentioned in his book and also his website. In his later level, we learned that actually not only chaotic hexagram, but also many other factors. That is why we will never understand the system if we never get ourself into it. I have learned to overcome this in his 3 and level 4. What I mean here is, if we only read his first book, that only covers not more than 10% of his skill. From what I have learned so much from him, I can see that many of us that were trying to be self-made reader is actually something in a very entry-level, perhaps only 5% of his skill. That is why in my humble opinion, if we think we can master WWG by only reading his book that only covers 10% of WWG, or any books. We are of course will never understand how Alfred do the reading. Imagine we only understand how to ride a bicycle and expect we can understand how to pilot a flight. This is one of the biggest issues we faced and we have to confess ourself. Otherwise we will not improve. This is what I have gained after going through with Alfred. We really take WWG too easy, and not willing to invest too much on it, this is really a big problem. To be honest, before completing all his courses, I never thought that WWG is that in-depth. What makes me feel like we are so small is that one day, Alfred told me that, to him, WWG is still only 50%, he thinks that he still has many yet to discover. Yet, the response in the market already think that WWG is something very limited and that's it, already maximum. That is why when I said 10% from Alfred's skill is in fact already exceeds what we can search and learn from the Internet.

These are no my only personal view here, but also some of his students. I have spoken to some of them before and I know some of his students who are also in this forum. But why didn't they give suggestions on the reading. I think Gmuli has asked this question before, something like why don't share the information? Is not that not willing to share, but many times, we have been struggling hundred of hours just to get ourself to understand how to use the skills. It may take a few hours talk, not written format, in order to understand one simple thing. From this point, you can understand that how can we be expected to give an explanation clearly to anyone here with just a few paragraphs of words? I finally understand why Alfred and other students not really giving solid answers here. Is not that we don't want to, but it is just not possible to do so.

To be honest, WWG is nothing simple until and under Alfred's guidance. What I can say is, we have underrated WWG too much. Alfred himself can't even agree that he has fully mastered WWG. This also explains that his second book does not tell the relationship method in very detail that Gmuli doubt. From my learning path, I face the same problem like Gmuli does, until I proceed to level 3. I realized that the relationship method written in his second book is only a teaser to get us enter his level 3. Allow me to explain more here, in his second book, gain and lost method secrets were revealed in a few sentences, but in his course, it is really more than that, A lot more! Just like Sacrar stuck here with reading his level 1 book. From what I see here is, Sacrar is trying to use level 1 knowledge and intent to unlock level 2 treasure. This is not going to be possible. I mean we all play video games here. When we played video games, we know we need up level keys to unlock up level treasure. And for Gmuli, you get the secret scroll, but you have never yet to meet the hermit. You need to speak with Alfred! IDK, maybe you have already speak to him. Up until here, it is obvious that WWG is underrated and it has many things that link to higher level that it just doesnt make sense for us to explain all of them clearly over here. The only way to understand more is to attend his class and always speak to Alfred, take his mind and become yours. He is willing to share with us as long as we all have basic knowledge. I mean we can't expect pilot talk too much about how to pilot a plane with small kids like us that have no idea about plane.

Overall, great experience with his method, and I feel it is absolutely entering into something I cannot get anywhere. Accuracy wise, level 1 book is not designed for that. Level 1 is designed to completely understand the rules of WWG. Before we finish level 2, we can say that we barely, learned how to apply the rules. Maybe some genius out that are exceptions for this, idk. But for me, it is normal we didn't get the accuracy at this stage. Anyway, dont' get me wrong. WWG is not that difficult, really! Just that we underrated WWG and this make us can't move further.

[Gmuli]

I think the challenge that AK may be facing now can be viewed in the same way many others faced when trying to bring a good system of the Five Arts to the western scientific and academic levels. Most of them failed, in variety of ways. Few succeed, most notibly Wilhelms and his teachers back then.
(that was the most popular I Ching translation back then).

And that would be - what is the way to give it without losing it in the process...

There was a reason I was focusing so much on the books. Its not about giving the system free, I get that comes with its problems as well. But in the west that stuff is done like that, you publish a book where all the main ideas can always be traced back to. They have to work, otherwise its just broken attempts at giving something that is empty at the end. Can sign NDRs and stuff before that, but once its out it has to be enough. Then the information there is the save point. People can always trace back where it all started.
Then in courses and stuff, authors share their experience more deeply of how they use it, or how they develop it etc.
When done this way there are many more that use the system itself, and many more interested to reach the people that actually developed it. Not for learning what is hidden, but to understand more deeply what they already know.

Author doesn't ahve to protect stuff, its already out there, it protects itself by the amount of people knowing it. Doesn't need to worry about finding followers - that takes care of itself in the exactly same path. Main challenge becomes if they can present it well enough for people to see its working.


So the book is the save point, whatever is in there is always theirs as people can(and if it becomes widely used system - always will) go back to that and see where that originated from.

In courses there are risks. Information there very few will see, it has to be protected and in todays world that can't happen(long to go into 'why', can always ask a friend in the tech bussiness to explain in detail). So the only way to protect something is to set it free in wise enough way, so that it can always find it way back to you when that is needed.

JYs and the people there are starting to realize it. They have 2 weeks return policy, one can see the material then get their money back if it isn't for them, if I remember right. They have free taping where people can get glimpses of what is used(and some of us can figure out how good the material is just from that) and they have settings where they share somewhat freely what is used.

This has to be there. Otherwise one will end up in a position where they have to convince people their system is good, without providing any proof of that, being worried they will lose the system.


The author needs the books to change the whole game. The information in there to work undeniable and for everyone. Authorities in the field to comment them and research them, the seminars to become an event no one will want to miss.

With AKs system... I can talk with AK as much as I want - it will never lead to anything. As they aren't ready to release a system in a way people can learn it.  Curently, people will need to give 2k+ to learn level 2 and they already are clearly explained that that its a small part that will not work very well compared to the whole system that they are unlikely to ever see.

There are no money back periods, there are no free previews that people can see working, overall there are many reasons for almost anyone I know to be careful of the material there. We hope it could work, but its just not presented in a way we can use, now.


The reason I'm writing all that is because that is repeating again and again. Providing crazy expensive materials that people can't see working in practice for a system, then the author stays a few years and gives up and moves back to something else(lately other fields that are better streamlines).

Doesn't have to be that way. The west has set its structures so it can protect stuff, but it can't be approached in this way. If one wants their system to work in the west and have good enough system to do so, it can. But have to follow what others have done, Wilhelm back then, now JYs people starts to do it, but even Harmens seminars and materials are actually structured in a working way for the west.


Anyway, I think its good to say this, as this seems to be where many good systems are not able to make the transition to the western framework where the person attending is the one that is ensured, not the master teaching the system. But it has to be that way, if one thinks logically they will realize soon why it does.