Chart types and useful gods.

[MrtsAmplxs]

Greetings everyone, as the title says, I've been studying Bazi and I would like to kindly ask for your help regarding the topic of the chart types and the useful god(s).

So, if a chart is a Zheng Cai type of chart, but the dm is stable, what would be the useful gods? There is a directional combination producing LOTS of wealth between the hour-month-year EB (also the month pillar HS and EB are Zheng Cai), the day pillar is in Lin Guan and the day EB and HS, and hour HS are Bi Jian. Hour EB and year HS are Pian Yin, and year EB is Pian Cai. Month HS and EB are Zheng Cai.

Regards,
Mortis Amplexus.

[aeonrel]

Hi @MrtsAmplxs ,

I tried to reverse engineer the chart based in your information.
Please take a look at the attachment and see if it is correct.

I'll take a jab at this from a 5 Elements approach (different from classical Zi Ping).

Based on my judgement, DM strength is right about dead center:
   - Born out of season (big negative)
   - Stem is 2v1 in favour of DM (positive)
   - Branch is 2v2 balanced
   - DM is rooted (positive)

Because of neither strong nor weak state, I think either:
- The useful gods will change easily depending on how the balance tip during a year & luck pilar.
- Or there is no useful god.

Generally speaking, I prefer bridging as useful gods, so when I look at the chart, 2 elements are obviously missing: fire and water. So I start from there.

For water, if I add Ren in the stem, it will come under attack from Wu earth. If I add Gui, it will combine with Wu.
In the branch, Zi water forms a punishment with Mao. Hai will combine with Yin.
So water is not a good choice for useful gods.

For fire, Bing and Ding are ok in the stems.
Wu in the branch is great for bridging Yin to Chen, preventing Shen from clashing Yin.
However, it forms a destruction with Mao as well...not perfect.
Si will combine with Shen, so no.

For metal, Geng and Xin are ok for stem, though I will avoid Geng in case of Fu Yin with DM.
In the branches, more Shen will lead to more suppression on Yin, so no.
You will combine with Chen, also no.

For wood, in the stems, Yi is ok but Jia will suppress Wu.
In branches, more Mao or Yin won't stop Shen from clashing into wood.

For earth, Wu and Ji in stems are ok.
In branches, Chen is no good as it forms self-punishment with existing Chen.
Xu is no good as it combines with Mao and clash with Chen.
Chou no good as it forms destruction with Chen.
This leaves Wei as the only safe bet.

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So from the above, it seems like there are no particular element that is useful.
At best neutral, if not harmful.
So I guess there might not be a useful god for the chart.

[MrtsAmplxs]

Hello @aeonrel and thank you for your reply.

I forgot completely to actually point out the charts HS and EB, im so sorry, i was caught up on mentioning the relation of the 10 gods. Yes, the chart from year to hour pillars would be: WuYin/YiMao/GengShen/GengChen.
I see, would you consider the same case for this other chart?: (year to hour pillar) JiMao/GengWu/DingWei/JiaChen
I think the DM is somewhat right in the "center" too, would you say so?

Regards,
Mortis Amplexus

[aeonrel]

Hi @MrtsAmplxs ,

Yes, roughly center too, but because born in season, I will lean still slightly towards strong side.
Although overall, it will not be considered a strong chart still.

For useful gods, I still rather depend on time window in question instead of choosing just a favorable element or 2 for life, because ultimately what kind of situation develops depends on the elemental interaction at that period.

[MrtsAmplxs]

Hello @aeonrel

I see. In this cases, how would we "translate" this peculiarities?
• Would it just translate in a somewhat "changing luck"? (by which I mean that the lucky gods are changing accordingly with the celestial forces each year)
•Would the HS and EB of the luck pillar (10 yr) be the reference we would need to follow (more than each year individually at the very least)?
•And one thing that makes me wonder a lot, we always try to balance the influence of the 10 gods on the DM, what happens or what does it means when a chart is already "balanced"? (of course the balance changes with the celestial forces present on each period, but does this innate balance means anything?)
Thank you very much for your conversation.

Regards,
Mortis Amplexus

[aeonrel]

@MrtsAmplxs ,

I see. In this cases, how would we "translate" this peculiarities?

Typically I just use Ten Gods after a calculation of elemental interactions.
Like in the stem, Geng suppresses Jia, so it likely means this person will prioritize personal desires over morality/consideration for others.
In the branch, Wu-Wei combines, but I am not sure how this plays out in real life.
Something to do with expression of talent and people relations, but in a detrimental way.
Mao will fuel unconventional thoughts, Chen makes this person outspoken.

Would it just translate in a somewhat "changing luck"? (by which I mean that the lucky gods are changing accordingly with the celestial forces each year)

Yes, luck will always keep changing hour to hour, day by day, month by month, and so forth.
Base personality probably will not change, but feelings will due to the changing celestial forces supporting or conflicting with base personality.

Would the HS and EB of the luck pillar (10 yr) be the reference we would need to follow (more than each year individually at the very least)?

Depends on the window of time you are interested in.
Example: If you want to read the teen-to-adult period, then maybe just calculate main chart + luck pillar that covers that period.
If you want precision down to the year, then you read main + luck pillar+ the annual pillar you are interested in.

And one thing that makes me wonder a lot, we always try to balance the influence of the 10 gods on the DM, what happens or what does it means when a chart is already "balanced"? (of course the balance changes with the celestial forces present on each period, but does this innate balance means anything?)

Actually, it is a misconception that we have to balance the elements and the 10 Gods on DM.
The main chart, be it balanced or imbalanced, shows the state at which the DM will be the most comfortable with.
(Note comfortable not = happy. Just means familiar, normal, natural).
Some times we cannot resolve the imbalance in a chart, no matter what the annual or luck pillars are, but if it can be brought back to a state close to its natural self, it will still help the chart holder feel more at ease.

If a chart is already balanced, then the luck and annual pillar will make it imbalance.
But if the imbalance is to DM's advantage, then it is a good imbalance, or "useful god".