War or peace on 20jan2021?

[Hellow]

Will there be a civil war in America on 20jan 2021?
What is your prediction? Yes or no? Any other opinion are welcome.

[DiegoFS]

We would have to ask to The Simpsons: Homer and company in the city of Springfield have the accurate forecasts (for many years). Just look for the chapters and seasons

[JLim (Darma W)]

That will be a day with a big pile of earth: the month is Ji Chou, and the day pillar is Wu Chen.

Looking at Biden's bazi, I think it will be a good day for him personally.  This is his Bazi:

 Y      M      D      H
Ren  Xin   Ding   Jia
Wu   Hai  Chou  Chen

LP: Ji Wei (Dec 2017-Dec 2027).  Even his LP is Earth over Earth 

[TenVirtues]

Hi all Brother @JLim

Interestingly enough, Both Trump Chart and Biden Chart, Have no kongwang pillars from Year Month Day or Hour.
Both chart also have hidden pushes. Biden has 亥丑 push 子, While Trump has 巳未 Push 午.

Which in a traditional sense is quite interesting. As i would categorize Trump's Chart as 夾祿 As Trump Chart pushes out 午 which is his supporting God aka 拱祿.
Whereas Biden's Chart i would consider 夾貴 pushing out 子 Officer, as 拱貴.

So in a sense their charts are opposites as well as similars. In SanMing These two types are charts are categorized and explained together.

Yet Biden holds the advantage because being 丁丑 DM naturally he is the 空亡 Pillar for Trump.

I don't think there will be civil war in America, as much as i think that there could be potential assasination attempts on Biden.

IMO i see Earth as the 闲神 for Biden, Earth Naturally represents the Masses. Which is why the Chinese called the common people 尼民 Soil People.

His whole Presidency and Election boils down to him appealing to both sides or atleast trying to appeal to both sides.

He is known for being a Moderate. He is the ultimate anti-trumper or should i say the anti-extremist. In his years of Politics he was known as being a friend to all.

He is known for trying to turn his enemies into friends but; he still has people who view him as a bitter enemy.

So Earth can bring him huge success as well as huge dangers. Strong Earth on that day does show signs of huge success but; imo can also show signs of huge hidden dangers.

One group Wet Earth, Is Very Happy, Another Group Dry Earth is very Mad right now.

Haha Just my 2 cents, don't take it too seriously guys.
 

[Hellow]

Armed protester outside the capitol ready for some action.

[Hellow]

Can see from the video many carry semi automatic rifle ar15 And some are wearing military gears waiting for something. War or peace?

[DiegoFS]

To the colleagues participating in this link, a cordial greeting.

I would like to give some opinions regarding the use of the BaZi Four Pillars Chinese Astrology in order to forecast world political events, such as in this case the date of the inauguration of the new President of the United States Joe Biden and the departure of Donald Trump from the White House.

It seems a bit risky to do Readings of this type of event, at the expense of taking as reference spears: the Natal Letters of these two Politicians. From my humble opinion, the BaZi Charts of Trump and Biden, would have a 50% correctness regarding this type of prediction. In this sense, to complete the remaining 50%, it would be pertinent to use another type of Traditional Metaphysical Arts that can draw a more exact picture of the world panorama. There are too many interests on the table here.

I do not deny that the BaZi is an extremely powerful tool to evaluate the Destiny of a person, but it is also true that the Astrology of the Four Pillars is not exactly a great specialist in forecasting international events and those that impact on a planetary scale. Likewise, we must consider that when we are going to “diagnose” World Political events, there is a conglomeration of invisible threads or geopolitical interests of all kinds and in such a scenario, it would be desirable to use for these cases, for example, the Purple Astrology Zi Wei Dou Shu 紫微斗數, which offers a very versatile toolbox for these types of Events where the World Economy is at stake (in this case, the subtlety of the ZWDS Natal Chart of the United States of North America should be read, capturing as point of birth the date of independence of that country). Perhaps within Traditional Chinese Metaphysics, there are other suitable Tools for this type of analysis. The Astrology of the Emperor 紫微斗數, I hardly know it superficially so that I would not risk putting my hands in the fire in this type of forecasts that affect the central political direction of the planet. It is natural that the subject is exciting and challenging for anyone interested in the Five Arts of Traditional Chinese Metaphysics.

For these geopolitical diagnoses, not only the strategic objectives of the Republican and Democratic Party of the USA would come into play, since behind the scenes are the hidden threads of the People's Republic of China, the Russian Federation, the Islamic Republic of Iran, Turkey and even the State of Israel or Great Britain, just to name the main actors. Regardless of whether some are opponents and others are allies.

Suffice it to cite just one example, under "normal" conditions, four years ago who should have been President of the United States was at the time: Hillary Clinton. However, within the World Political Chess of the previous North American Elections, with a very fine and subtle game, the People's Republic of China, orchestrated by Xi Jinping (President of the People's Republic of China and Secretary General of the Central Committee of the Chinese Communist Party) and Li Keqiang (Premier and Secretary of the Party in the Council of State of China), managed to orchestrate with his Russian counterpart, Vladimir Putin, some prodigious tactical movements articulated with cyber attacks (with the help of Hackers of the Group of Espionage  APT 28 and APT 29 and through secure tunnels), which at the time was detected by the Federal Agency of Investigation (FBI) and the Department of Homeland Security of the United States but which ended up tilting the balance in favor of Donald Trump.
Today, all the polarization that led to the insurrection and looting of the United States Capitol has as its point of origin that intervention of Russian espionage of which little is remembered to take them as axes of reference in the present time. If Hillary Clinton had been President of the United States, the structure of Democracy in the northern country at the present time would have other different nuances.

Naturally, that at this time the High Hierarchs of the People's Republic of China, must be rubbing their hands of the happiness, the plays of the Tripod: China-Russia-Iran, have been granting favorable ratings and these movements have a clear objective: that Beijing, Moscow and Tehran may, in the medium term, play a role protagonist on the Orbital Economic Supremacy and for that purpose, having catapulted Donald Trump four years ago to the Presidential Chair in Washington, assured them that they could undermine North American Democracy and, on the other hand, strengthen the Beijing Control. All these tactical movements will continue to be perpetuated in the future and many more surprises will surely come on the horizon of time.

But without wanting to do a Background Political Analysis, it is convenient to suggest to colleagues that they be cautious if they intend to make Diagnostics with the Astrology of the Four Pillars, only protected with the Duo of the Natal Charts BaZi: Trump versus Biden. I reiterate, in the Outlook Geopolitical and Macroeconomic there are many edges that come into play in the light of the same Cold War that the Opposing Countries of the East exercise.

If you want to delve into this scheme of predictions, the ideal would be to accompany BaZi Astrology with other Metaphysical tools appropriate for this type of globalized forecasts, it is not only a matter of qualifying the Natal Chart of these two North American Politicians,... there is behind the scenes a fabric of quite complex forces that reconfigure the World Control of the Great Powers in discord.

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[TenVirtues]

Hi brother DiegoFS and all!
You have posed a interesting topic that honestly deserves it own post.
I do agree that it is very important to use other methods other then bazi to get a second point of view.
Yet i don't think it's because bazi is not a good tool for divination it is more our lack of understanding bazi.
Often times if we revisit World Event's and; pull up the bazi at the time. We are able to make some sense of it by looking at the bazi at the time.

There is something called 捉機 in Chinese Metaphysics often used by Master's to distinguish themselves from other Master's.
This is what makes one reader different then another reader even from the same School.

Everyone has a different wiring in their brain, or spirit, or psychic. Which is why there is often several opinions about the same chart.

Just because we are not able to make a prediction does not mean someone else can't.
In the end we most remember this is a metaphysical art and; trying to define it under current scientific rationale is not going to help make better sense of this art.

Modern Science can not explain BaZi, Astrology, Divination etc. Does that mean it isn't accurate?

I think it's important to have a open mind when it comes to this. As a studier of Indian Vedic Astrology. In their Circles it is more widely accepted.
As there has been many Vedic Astrology Sages throughout the Centuries well documented who can use strange techniques that nobody else seems to make sense of but; make amazingly accurate predictions.

It is a reminder to not rely to much on our logical brain when it comes to understanding a metaphysical art.

Just my 2 cents all! Have a great day!

[DiegoFS]

Hello TenVirtues, thank you for your contribution.

Without the intention of entering into debate, and as far as I have been able to assimilate, the BaZi supports in a very powerful way, the Reading of the Destiny of a Person. In my way of understanding the situation, BaZi is not a specialized tool for calculating Political Events, Disasters (Earthquakes, Tsunamis, Climate Change, Volcanic Eruptions, Hurricanes) and massive events, what we could call Planetary or Collective Karmas

Unless someone knows in depth Mass Prediction tools (where there are compromised human conglomerates) from BaZi. That is why I suggest some type of Planetary Astrology that provides a complement as is the case of the ZWDS Astrology of the Emperor or perhaps others, and there are certainly models for this type of predictions, for example, for this specific case: how will it behave context the Economy World and the Geopolitical Standards from the new government of the United States and similar topics.

TenVirtues, I am going to share with you (and with the Foristas who visit us) an anecdote that can serve as a point of reference for this comment.

Some years ago, I was linked to an International Western Astrology Forum (Chaldea), out of respect for them I am not going to mention the name of said Forum (it is not necessary to do so), and there were a certain number of colleagues who loved to forecast planetary events using Western Astrology as a tool. The central point is that there was consensus among all that a Great Earthquake was going to occur in Los Angeles (California) on a day and time that according to the Chaldean Natal Chart of the United States, was going to happen.

The agreed date and time arrived and nothing happened, there was no earthquake, not even a slight earthquake. And as a consequence, the Board of Astrologers (if you can say so) was made a fool of themselves. But worst of all, the Western Astrology Doctrine Body was left in a pathetic and shameful situation. And it was a Forum that had many followers in the world. A short time later I withdrew and didn't hear from them anymore. Today, there are very few applications that I use of Western Astrology and I have my reasons.

As a conclusion and as a learning of all this, and I say it in the title of BaZi, which is an Astrology that has been won with great effort and tenacity from the Masters who created it in times of the Chinese Imperial Dynasties, its place. We who are here are simply his heirs. The BaZi is highly respected worldwide, due to its great precision, but it would not be a good idea, to put its acquired prestige at risk.

Personally, I have no problem reading a BaZi Natal Chart, from a famous person, but I would be very hesitant to do so to forecast events where hundreds of millions of people are at stake. Or at least I would do it taking a lot of precautions and with caution.

My suggestion is that you have to take care of the good international image of BaZi, and even more so considering that visitors also come to read these Posts.

In the same way, I am not going to object if a colleague decides to do so, nor is it my intention to enter into fierce debates about it. In the end, I take as a reference the wrong forecasts that I have just told you and that, as I was commenting on, happened in a Western Astrology Forum, which led to dire consequences for said Forists and Bloggers, and from my comment, everyone will draw their own conclusions.

[TenVirtues]

Hi DiegoFS, Thank you for your contribution as well.

Well if we are talking about historical use of bazi as a Mass Prediction Tool. There is actually long time use of this in Chinese History. We need only to look at the 通胜 which use started in the Early 1300's.
Yuan Dynasty.
In fact even Western Trader's knew about the 通胜 and would check it before they dealt with their Chinese Merchants. As Chinese Merchants would always check the 通胜 to see which day is auspicious for trading.

I think it's also important to remember in the case of any Political Event's that it involves Humans. If these event's involve leaders of Humans that affect millions then their chart also holds huge effects upon those millions.

That is why in the Ancient Times, Pre-Tang Dynasty or you can say pre-individualized Horoscopes. Chinese Astrologers only plotted Charts for the King and the Country.

It was only after Tang Dynasty and the Great Cultural Exchange between China and India were individualized Horoscopes became popularized and; even then real accurate horoscopes were not easily cast.
As the Tang Emperor's did not allow anyone other then Royalty or Relatives to be able to cast a real Astrological Horoscope.

We shouldn't underestimate the power of one single human being and their chart. Especially if that single human is the leader of Millions of people. We are often drawn by the vastness of the Universe but; we often forget that when we close our eyes we also have a Universe inside us.

We often need to remind ourselves just how amazing it is to just be human.

As for your anecdote i think it is also important to remember. That a System of Prediction like BaZi, Vedic Astrology, Western Astrology, QZSY, 18 Flying Star etc. Isn't proven by just producing one or two good predictors/readers.
The System needs to consistently produce accurate readers in order for it to be considered a System. So no group or individual can ever prove or disprove a whole System.

BaZi has over 1500 years of History and have consistently produced accurate Reader's. Which is why it lasted for this long. No one group or individual can prove or disprove the effectiveness of BaZi.

Just like Western Astrology, is so vast to be categorized under one name, Modern term for Western Astrology encompasses, Babylonian, Persian, Greek, Egyptian, and even for the unknowing Vedic.

I would like to share a little Chinese Phrase here that can serve as a point of reference to my comment. "There is no number 1 Martial Art, There is only the Number 1 Martial Artist”

Just my 2 cents,

[DiegoFS]

Hello TenVirtues, in a way you are accepting my reasons. The Purple or Emperor Astrology (ZWDS) that I have mentioned here, to forecast massive events, was precisely called Astrology of the Emperor, because it was almost exclusively used in the Imperial Court, historically it is cited, that it was almost prohibited to be used outside the Palace of the Emperor, and a practitioner of Purple Astrology, risked being executed, if he used it outside the Palace.

It is quite clear that the Astrology of the Emperor (Zi Wei Dou Shu), the monarch who ruled in each dynasty used it for political purposes and to lead his people.

Whereas the Astrology of the Four Pillars has always been popular and any Chinese citizen could use it. I think that is why today, it is easier to find practitioners and Masters of BaZi than of the Purple Astrology Zi Wei Dou Shu.

As for the BaZi, surely it can be used for political events (if you affirm it, I will pass to believe it). However, I am not Chinese, I do not know Mandarin, Pin Yin and therefore I cannot read, much less translate Chinese literature of the Four Pillars, nor can I go to a bookstore to buy and read works written in Chinese. My knowledge is based on Trey Tang's translations of ancient manuscripts. And some blogs: Hello Kitty, Ken Lai, Kevin Chan and some Annie Pecheva. I have tried to filter the most reliable information within my means.

As you can imagine and according to these translations, I can only interpret the Natal Chart of people, be they famous or ordinary people, for example, merchants, businessmen, athletes or any simple citizen. I have no point of reference to interpret a BaZi Natal Chart, for a massive Political event.

Perhaps in the years to come I will be able to sit down to study with enthusiasm the Astrology of the Emperor (I have some texts in English and to translate) and be able to forecast Political events, Wars and Catastrophes. It would be interesting to get those kinds of achievements, but I couldn't know in advance if I would count on the time to become an expert in Emperor Astrology in the long run. But at the moment I don't see it viable.

And to end this comment, the commerce (it has to do more with business and not so much with politics). Personally, I use the BaZi of my Natal Chart, to calculate the most suitable dates to manage my commercial movements, as I also do with my clients. Perhaps between Politics and Business (commerce) there is a bridge that connects them and it is Economy, which uses mathematical models to calculate which mass businesses are doing well and which others are doing poorly.

But in itself a business, an entrepreneurial model, a sales strategy are connected with the Individual Natal Chart of the BaZi of the person involved and with Feng Shui.

A hug, TenVirtues.

[DiegoFS]

And a small detail that I overlooked to mention, the Astrology of the Emperor (ZWDS) can be used both individually and massively (global events).

[TenVirtues]

Hi, Brother DiegoFS
Warm hug to you too! Since you don't read or write Chinese then i don't really blame you for taking the translation of ZWDS Literally.
First of ZWDS and BaZi are not really categorized as a Astrology, it is a Fate Prediction Method. ZWDS and BaZi are considered 术数 Fate Calculation Method.
ZWDS especially since it doesn't use any real star's or focus on the placement of the real planets in the sky. ZWDS uses 虚星 14 Imaginary Stars as it's main Star calculator.

Not even ZWDS practitioner's or so called Master's today know what type of real astrological movements those 14 stars actually track.
For example 紫薇 Star which can be misleading because one would think that since it's called the 紫薇 Star it would track the actual placement of where Polaris the 紫微星 is but; if you do the research and plot a modern ZWDS Chart.
The 紫薇 Star in the ZWDS Chart does not actually track the true location of Polaris.

What i have been mentioning as Chinese Astrology, is actually 七政四余 aka 7 Planets, and 4Nodes Astrology. AKA 果老星宗 Guo Lao Astrology.
This is important to note because the earliest book on zwds called 紫微斗数全书 was written in the 1500's Mid-Ming Dynasty!

The last known Imperial Decree issued on banning of the study of Astrology to the commoners was issued by the founding Ming Emperor 朱元璋 In the late 1300's.
 After witnessing the prowess of Astrology from his famous Official 刘伯温 Liu Bo Wen. He issued a series of laws on the study of Astrology later known as 明代天文历法.
Ming Dynasty Laws On Astrology.

This law became loosely enforced around the mid Ming Dynasty(1500's) which was when 紫微斗数全书 was written but; the original ban on Astrology was not on ZWDS but on the more older versions of real Chinese Astrology.
AKA 七政四余 QZSY and 18 飞星 18Flying Star.

Hope this might clear up some confusions with translations and History of Chinese Astrology!
 

[DiegoFS]

Hello TenVirtues, thank you for the presentation of the historical relationships of the ZWDS, since they give an idea of its distant origin.

I have always been very clear that the ZWDS and the BaZi, in themselves are not Astrologies and they never will be, in the strict sense of the word, since neither of the two techniques uses planets (Venus, Jupiter, Mars, ...), nor the fixed stars of the sky (orion, alpha of centaur, sirio, ...).

What happens is that for a person from the West, it becomes more familiar to hear the word "Astrology", since that consultant will automatically relate it as a method of forecasting the future time. In fact, in any newspaper, however simple it may be, in any city in the Western world, there will appear an astrology section that is regularly written by any journalist who barely handles the subject (Chaldean Astrology).

But if you tell a simple citizen that the BaZi is a Destiny Prediction Method, surely your interlocutor will be literally amazed and in a sea of doubts and most likely you will have to make an Detailed information on the technique to each person who comes to consult. For this reason, with the dry use of the word "Astrology", the consultant will have in his imagination an idea of what you are offering him, and you will not have to clarify anything. The worst that can happen to you is that I reject you and ignore you.

I think the word "Astrology" is wrong for the BaZi or the ZWDS, but for practical purposes it is a simple term, simplified and to put the "client" in context. At least in America, on my continent it works like this.
I always try to put myself in the inside shoes of the consultant´s and imagine that I am the "client."

But the Astrology of the Emperor although I know it superficially, I know that it was created by a Taoist named Lu Chun Yang who lived in the time of the Tang Dynasty, later it was developed by Chen Xi Yi in the times of the Song Dynasty and finally, he raised it to its current form Luo Hong Xian during the Ming Dynasty. It has 2 lineages: one called San He and the other is Si Hua.

A grid is drawn that demarcates 12 Palaces that go in rotation and in the anticlockwise direction, which in themselves symbolize a rice field and keep a correlation with the 12 Terrestrial Branches, which adopt fixed positions.

It has 14 Main Stars, 4 Transforming Stars, 12 Additional Stars and a conglomerate of Remaining Stars that complete a global set of 115 Stars. And from then on, the entire body of doctrine is embodied.

And as for the Stars of the ZWDS, at least that is how the reference texts state it, they are mathematical points of energy and therefore, they are not circulating in the Sky that we know (the Cosmos). From my understanding, these mathematical points of Qi should circulate inside our aura, perhaps in the Vital Plane (where the Chinese Acupuncture Meridians are traced), in the interface, between the Astral and the Mental Dimension, but they could also be found in the Causal Plane of each person. As each Vertical is subdivided into 7 Sub-planes, it would be very complex to make an internal elaboration of such a Qi system. Only someone who is a true clairvoyant and can "travel" to those "parallel universes" could really draw and explain all its gear.

A fraternal greeting, TenVirtues.