weak chart?

[coldpillow]

hi everyone, is her chart a weak chart? also does the DE on the hour pillar have any effect on the strength of the chart?

Strong chart, but her month pillar is disturbed by her day and hour pillars.

That means her chart will prefer 50% supportive elements, 50% opposing elements in luck pillars and their combos.

CMIIW, void branch or DE is negligible/ignored if it's combined/clashed.

[azizfrost]

hi everyone, is her chart a weak chart? also does the DE on the hour pillar have any effect on the strength of the chart?

Strong chart, but her month pillar is disturbed by her day and hour pillars.

That means her chart will prefer 50% supportive elements, 50% opposing elements in luck pillars and their combos.

CMIIW, void branch or DE is negligible/ignored if it's combined/clashed.

so 50% supportive elements and 50% opposing elements is good?

like a balanced life? 

[coldpillow]

so 50% supportive elements and 50% opposing elements is good?

like a balanced life? 

More balanced life or protection from instability. Her month pillar is vulnerable.

[azizfrost]

so 50% supportive elements and 50% opposing elements is good?

like a balanced life? 

More balanced life or protection from instability. Her month pillar is vulnerable.

Hi. why is month pillar vulnerable? what does that mean?

does it concern about her parents?

[coldpillow]

Hi. why is month pillar vulnerable? what does that mean?

does it concern about her parents?

There is Chen-Chou destruction, right? Clash, unfavorable combo, punishment may injure that pillar too.

Month pillar is typically related to early adulthood. It can be related to anything: parents, school, health.

[azizfrost]

Hi. why is month pillar vulnerable? what does that mean?

does it concern about her parents?

There is Chen-Chou destruction, right? Clash, unfavorable combo, punishment may injure that pillar too.

Month pillar is typically related to early adulthood. It can be related to anything: parents, school, health.

I read somewhere that not all clash is unfavorable. It depends on the situation.

Chen-Chou destruction = Earth produce Metal produce Water produce Wood. If wood is being produced isn't it one of her useful elements? being a strong DM?

Like on a strong wood DM with Chou-Chen-Wei-Xu clash. the clash outcome is pure earth. so the strong wood DM can become very wealthy.

[coldpillow]

Chen-Chou destruction = Earth produce Metal produce Water produce Wood. If wood is being produced isn't it one of her useful elements? being a strong DM?

Like on a strong wood DM with Chou-Chen-Wei-Xu clash. the clash outcome is pure earth. so the strong wood DM can become very wealthy.

I didn't know destruction can produce an element, just like a combination.

Anyway, I think the end result should be either water/metal to make her a strong water DM.

[azizfrost]

Chen-Chou destruction = Earth produce Metal produce Water produce Wood. If wood is being produced isn't it one of her useful elements? being a strong DM?

Like on a strong wood DM with Chou-Chen-Wei-Xu clash. the clash outcome is pure earth. so the strong wood DM can become very wealthy.

I didn't know destruction can produce an element, just like a combination.

Anyway, I think the end result should be either water/metal to make her a strong water DM.

I just read it somewhere. I'm not sure either. 

need someone to confirm 

[Gmuli]

Chen-Chou destruction = Earth produce Metal produce Water produce Wood. If wood is being produced isn't it one of her useful elements? being a strong DM?

Like on a strong wood DM with Chou-Chen-Wei-Xu clash. the clash outcome is pure earth. so the strong wood DM can become very wealthy.

I didn't know destruction can produce an element, just like a combination.

Anyway, I think the end result should be either water/metal to make her a strong water DM.

I just read it somewhere. I'm not sure either. 

need someone to confirm 

Haven't read it all, but just to comment on that. I don't think it 'produces' element like combination can do.
I think it just means 2 things that are suppose to produce each other, that doesn't, because each views themselves as valuable(and value=asset=not moving).

That is why Metal and Water are different, as in that part of the movement(going within) the environment is usually darker and colder, so even valuable things have to work together.

That being said... If two things stay close to each other for long enough something third will be created one way or another. So technically we could view it that there is a product. But is it the same each time and wouldn't it be confusing to add product on destruction are also interesting questions.
For me - I don't use the idea they create another element. I do for combinations now, however(as I didn't before).

[azizfrost]

Chen-Chou destruction = Earth produce Metal produce Water produce Wood. If wood is being produced isn't it one of her useful elements? being a strong DM?

Like on a strong wood DM with Chou-Chen-Wei-Xu clash. the clash outcome is pure earth. so the strong wood DM can become very wealthy.

I didn't know destruction can produce an element, just like a combination.

Anyway, I think the end result should be either water/metal to make her a strong water DM.

I just read it somewhere. I'm not sure either. 

need someone to confirm 

Haven't read it all, but just to comment on that. I don't think it 'produces' element like combination can do.
I think it just means 2 things that are suppose to produce each other, that doesn't, because each views themselves as valuable(and value=asset=not moving).

That is why Metal and Water are different, as in that part of the movement(going within) the environment is usually darker and colder, so even valuable things have to work together.

That being said... If two things stay close to each other for long enough something third will be created one way or another. So technically we could view it that there is a product. But is it the same each time and wouldn't it be confusing to add product on destruction are also interesting questions.
For me - I don't use the idea they create another element. I do for combinations now, however(as I didn't before).

I think it lies in the hidden stems on the earthly branches. clash and destruction causes some elements to be destroyed or weakened? so the remaining element looks like the one being produced? I dont know 

[Gmuli]

Veeery interesting...
I meant the Peach Blossom destructions. The Tombs/Storages, makes sense to have some dynamic like that.

Chen-Chou destruction = Earth produce Metal produce Water produce Wood.

Fair enough and both contain Water.
Logically, Xu<>Wei punishment - Wood, Produce Fire, Produce Earth, Produce Metal.
But Fire will be strongest, as we have 2 hidden stems I guess?

[Gmuli]

But what will be destroyed or weakened?

I guess Wei in Xu, Wei as it ends producing Metal and there is no Metal in Wei, yet there is wood.
So logically Chou will be weakened, as the produced Wood will weaken it.

But what about Chen<>Xu?
Wood > Fire > Earth > Metal > Water...

[azizfrost]

But what will be destroyed or weakened?

I guess Wei in Xu, Wei as it ends producing Metal and there is no Metal in Wei, yet there is wood.
So logically Chou will be weakened, as the produced Wood will weaken it.

But what about Chen<>Xu?
Wood > Fire > Earth > Metal > Water...

This is the explanation I read before about Chou-Wei-Xu punishment

The prosperous Gui water inside Chou punish the Ding fire store inside Xu.
The prosperous Ding fire inside Wei punish the Xin metal store inside Chou.
The prosperous Xin metal inside Xu punish the Yi wood store inside Wei.
As a result the Qi is only earth, the rest are gone or diminished.
No Fire, Metal, Wood Qi left.

[Gmuli]

Chen-Chou destruction = Earth produce Metal produce Water produce Wood. If wood is being produced isn't it one of her useful elements? being a strong DM?

I wonder about this.
Can we use Hidden Stems like that in combinations as well(follow produce cycle).

For example Wu - Wei.
Fire in Wu, Wood produces the Fire, Fire produces the Earth. Yet 2 fire stems. So we have a lot of fire and end of the produce cycle in Earth.

So combination creates fire.

Looking at it it seems all except Mao-Xu and Zi-Chou fit into this.
But we can say that Yi wood is diplomatic, so when all is against it is its best time to work. No idea for Zi-Chou and why that would create Earth...

Its very interesting, may explain much of the interactions and dynamic and also can point out to the exceptions to check why. : )

What do you think, could it work for the other stuff(combinations etc)?

[azizfrost]

Chen-Chou destruction = Earth produce Metal produce Water produce Wood. If wood is being produced isn't it one of her useful elements? being a strong DM?

I wonder about this.
Can we use Hidden Stems like that in combinations as well(follow produce cycle).

For example Wu - Wei.
Fire in Wu, Wood produces the Fire, Fire produces the Earth. Yet 2 fire stems. So we have a lot of fire and end of the produce cycle in Earth.

So combination creates fire.

Looking at it it seems all except Mao-Xu and Zi-Chou fit into this.
But we can say that Yi wood is diplomatic, so when all is against it is its best time to work. No idea for Zi-Chou and why that would create Earth...

Its very interesting, may explain much of the interactions and dynamic and also can point out to the exceptions to check why. : )

What do you think, could it work for the other stuff(combinations etc)?

I'm not sure about combinations. Zi-Chou is also a mystery to me why it combines and creates earth. maybe the Gui in Zi releases the storage of Gui in Chou? that leaves only earth element?