FU YIN...really scared

[icarus2712]

Hello everyone, finding Bazi quite interesting in particular, how elements and animals interact with each other.

While reading about luck pillar, I have observed that there is a fu yin between my hour luck pillar and new luck pillar which began this year- as per Joe Yapp calculator, while other bazi calculator shows new LP will be next year!! Confused.

Anyways, how will be my new luck pillar, considering fu yin, and the fact that I am 53, finding it difficult to find a stable job, money issues etc. To co relate , year 2011 onwards it has been terrible for me, lost job, money , home , all in these years.

Request someone to guide

Thank you

[aeonrel]

@icarus2712

Hello, from my analysis...you have a pretty challenging native Bazi.

Regarding money:
Let's just look at the heavenly stem interaction for your natal chart first.
Geng metal clashes with Jia wood.
The Jia wood is your one sole wealth element in your chart and it is naturally damaged already.
So your money luck is poor naturally.
The current luck pillar Gui Si cannot prevent this, the next pillar Jia Wu is worse as the Jia is now an exposed stem, so when one is damaged, both are damaged, doubling the effect.

How to help yourself?
Geng is the rob wealth troublemaker.
So likely the root of most money losses are related to peers:
i.e. taking poor financial advice from peers / peers taking advantage of you / following the crowd for some poor investment opportunities.
If you find this accurate, then simply stop making financial decisions with influence from peers / follow trends. Keep your friends as far away from personal money related matters as possible, don't even listen to their opinion.
If you can't make your own financial decisions without influence from things that your peers said/advise, then it would be better that you just be thrifty and save normally.

Regarding house:
Did you lose it in 2011 or 2023? Or both? Or other times within the last decade?
Earth is your support element. Support element also represent your house.
Periods where your support element is combined away or damaged, those are the times when losing your house is likely.
In 2011 and 2023 there is Mao wood and Xu earth combination in the earthly branches.
The whole Gui Si luck pillar is a problem as Gui water combines with Wu earth in the heavenly stems.
This year 2023 is Gui Mao - the double combine effectively wipes out all your support elements in both heavenly stems and earth branches.
But basically, yes, the chance of losing house is pretty high over the last decade.

For house, I have no clear solution because lost of house is usually one-off event(s) due to a specific circumstance.

Regarding job:
Actually, I find that you have consistent career luck. The only points where your career luck is damaged is 2014, whereby Wei earth combine and seal away your Wu fire, and 2016, when the Shen metal combine and seal away your Si fire. For 2016, Si fire has also an exposed branch on the luck pillar, hence the effect is doubled.
Fire is your career element.

If you lost your job at other points, then the source is not your poor career luck, but your inherently damaged Zi water in the earthly branches.
Water is your expression element.
Your expression element is what makes you do what you like to do.
When it is damaged, you ability to do what you like to do is suppressed and you will feel very constrained and unhappy.
Damaged expression element is said to be an "alternative form of damaged Day Master", because of the unhappiness it brings.
When the unhappiness due to damage expression element becomes unbearable, a person is very inclined to abandon his or her commitments and run away, to free himself/herself of this pressure.

Your natal chart has 1x Wu fire + 1x Si fire growing this Xu earth, which then clashes with the Zi water expression element.
The Xu earth support element, when it comes to career, represents that pressure from authority.
In the Gui Si luck pillar, the pressure is worse with 1x Wu fire + 2x Si fire.
This probably causes you to easily give up and walk away from your job in frustration.
Hence the unstable job problem over the last decade.

How to solve?
Honestly, I have no actionable solution for this.
Next luck pillar Jia Wu continues the problem with 2x Wu + 1x Si, so waiting for good luck does not help.
You can try to tolerate, but unhappiness due to suppressed expression element is very unbearable and spiritually damaging.
The only thing left to recommend is Feng Shui, since destiny is against you and there is no actionable solution.
But I can't comment much on Feng Shui as it is not my forte.

[Goldman]

Hello everyone, finding Bazi quite interesting in particular, how elements and animals interact with each other.

While reading about luck pillar, I have observed that there is a fu yin between my hour luck pillar and new luck pillar which began this year- as per Joe Yapp calculator, while other bazi calculator shows new LP will be next year!! Confused.

Anyways, how will be my new luck pillar, considering fu yin, and the fact that I am 53, finding it difficult to find a stable job, money issues etc. To co relate , year 2011 onwards it has been terrible for me, lost job, money , home , all in these years.

Request someone to guide

Thank you

HI @icarus2712

Did you by any chance at an opportunity to work with prestigious people but the terms were too unfavorable for you?
and then everything turned bad after that?

May I know what do you work as? Your chart is suitable to be a civil servant / in a bigger organization for your younger days.

Best,
Goldman

[aeonrel]

@icarus2712

Regarding Fu Yin / Fan Yin:
The essence behind is the threat of exposed branch / stem getting damaged, leading to a chain damage with the exact same character(s) in the natal chart, which will create a multiplier bad luck in that area of your life.

This does not mean it WILL come true.
You need to work out the result of the elements during that time period to assess the threat.

For your case in particular, yes the threat is real.
When the extra Jia appears, your Geng clashes with one Jia and all Jia woods are affected.
For the Wu fire, my focus is not about it being an exposed branch, but the additional presence increases the suppression of the Zi water and unhappiness it brings.

Regarding start of Jia Wu luck pillar:
Actually, I am also not sure myself.
I do see different sources giving different answers.
So for this, I can't help.

[icarus2712]

@icarus2712
Hello, from my analysis...you have a pretty challenging native Bazi.
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Thanks much for your wonderful insights on my chart. Appreciate it. Wil try to understand deeply what you have said as Bazi is new to me. Anyways. Can you clear the confusion as to
wether my luck pillar has already begun or next year after Feb 14
., or it changes on birtdate?

[icarus2712]

HI @icarus2712

Did you by any chance at an opportunity to work with prestigious people but the terms were too unfavorable for you?
and then everything turned bad after that?

May I know what do you work as? Your chart is suitable to be a civil servant / in a bigger organization for your younger days.

Best,
Goldman

Yes, have had many opportunities to work for large banks,  as said earlier till 2011 June it was all wonderful, in fact in Feb 2011, I was promoted too, but suddenly after June 2011
All crashed. 2013 June left the job. Really bad times after that.

[ren]

Hi Icarus2712,

May I ask what town and country you were born in.

Thanks,

ren

[JLim (Darma W)]

Hi Icarus,

Yes, have had many opportunities to work for large banks ,  as said earlier till 2011 June it was all wonderful, in fact in Feb 2011, I was promoted too, but suddenly after June 2011
All crashed. 2013 June left the job. Really bad times after that.

Natal chart & LP's:


Year 2013 is Gui Si.  I have a suspicion that you were born at Gui Si hour.  So, this would be a lot of Fu Yin in 2013: Gui Si hour is repeated in the LP and AP (Luck Pillar and Annual Pillar)

The question by ren is an important one

[icarus2712]

Hi Icarus2712,

May I ask what town and country you were born in.

Thanks,
ren

Sent you message

[icarus2712]

Hi Icarus,

Yes, have had many opportunities to work for large banks ,  as said earlier till 2011 June it was all wonderful, in fact in Feb 2011, I was promoted too, but suddenly after June 2011
All crashed. 2013 June left the job. Really bad times after that.

2013 is Gui Si.  I have a suspicion that you were born at Gui Si hour.  So, this would be a lot of Fu Yin in 2013: Gui Si hour is repeated in the LP and AP (Luck Pillar and Annual Pillar)

The question by ren is an important one

But as per all bazi calculator it shows jia horse hour ,so gui si hour?

[ren]

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[icarus2712]

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Hi Icarus2712,

With time corrections and using the 11:15am, The time of birth changes to 10:53 am.
This is still a borderline hour, But I tend to think Gui Si hour fits your narrative better.

ren

So there should not be a fu yin in next LP right?

[icarus2712]

@icarus2712
Hello, from my analysis...you have a pretty challenging native Bazi.
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hi, feedback

"So your money luck is poor naturally." 

>> its the money saving problem, even if it comes, i spend like crazy.

"So likely the root of most money losses are related to peers:"

>> no, on the contrary, I never took any financial advise, or loaned money. I should have taken some expert help on financial matters as i ran into credit card debts which were huge.

"Did you lose it in 2011 or 2023"

>> in June 2013, i sold my ansectoral house, moved to other city, invested in a under construction flat, which was completed, again had to sell it in 2016 due to debt.

"he only points where your career luck is damaged is 2014"

>> no it got damaged in june 2011, then in june 2013, june 2015, june 2019, these are my resignation dates

"his probably causes you to easily give up and walk away from your job in frustration."

>>> 100 % true


Can you check in all these events June month is most significant in my life, in fact I married in June month!!

thanks.

[aeonrel]

URGH! After you shared your birth location and I re-calculated, ren and JLim is correct. Gui Si is the correct solar birth hour. The change from originally Jia Wu throws my entire analysis off, because Jia is now not present for damage, and Wu is not present to suppress your Zi water.
I was so baffled after your feedback being so different.

Lesson learnt: always check for birth location first.

Let me try again:

With the new Gui hour, there is a natural Wu-Gui combination in your heavenly stems.
Gui is your expression element, Wu is your support element.
Being expressive is easy to understand - what I don't know exactly is what the Support element is referring to.
Support can be mother, house, reputation, status, learning, medical treatment, etc…things that help you.
For a natural combine that last a lifetime, I am going to throw a guess that your expressiveness has some effect on your reputation?

For Feb 2011, I can't really catch your promotion. I don't really see an increase in career luck or support element that month. Unless the promotion was predetermined earlier and Feb was just a formality, otherwise I guess I have to do more bazi learning.

Regarding the "crash", interestingly, from 6th May 2011 to 5th June 2011, it is the Gui Si month - which fits your Fu Yin worries. I suspect the crash point is 1st June (Ding Hai day) or 2nd June (Wu Zi day). It could be 1st June because Ding clashes the month's Gui stem and Hai clashes the month's Si branch. Since Fu Yin, they are exposed stem and branch, and that sets off the chain crash. Could be 2nd June too, where the day's Wu forms a combination with the month's Gui, and in the branches, the day's Zi clashes with the month's Si, setting off the chain crash.

For June 2013, it will probably be 2nd June (Hai in the branch) or 3rd June (Zi in the branch). Again, the water clashes with the now 4, possibly 5 times exposed Si fire, bringing extremely bad luck to your career and likely the loss of your job.

In the same month, 5th June and onwards, the month's element changes to Wu Wu. The Wu in the stem forms additional combine with the year's Gui water and means a further reduction in support element, which explains for the loss of home and the moving.

For June 2015, has to happen on 4th June (Si fire in month branch, Hai water in day branch) or 5th June (Si fire in month branch, Zi water in day branch). Once again, the water clashes with the Si fire in a chain crash fashion due to exposed Si in luck and hour pillar. Could also be 1st June (Shen branch day) too, as Shen forms a combine with Si fire and can set off a chain removal. But since Shen metal is your peer element, then the source of losing job has to involve peers. But if you left out of your own frustration, then it will be the former case of water meets fire.

For 2016, the loss of house is not that obvious from your natal chart + luck pillar + annual pillar analysis. A lot problems with career though, with Geng clashing with Bing fire on the heavenly stems, and Shen-Si combination with Si exposed on Hour and Day pillars. Does not mean you will lose your job during this period, but you will face stronger career-related challenges. The potential month where loss of house is higher is 8th Oct - 6th Nov, during the Wu Xu month. Both Wu and Xu are your support element and Xu will be exposed during this period. At a day this month when both are injured, all your support luck will be wiped out and hence where I think the highest chance of losing the house.

For June 2019, any day from 1st June to 5th June (which falls under the Ji Si month) is possible. The year's Hai water branch already have the potential to clash with the month's Si branch and start the chain reaction. There is a very, very interesting time slot of 9am-11am on 1st June, because that is a Si hour on a Si day in a Si month, of a Si luck pillar with exposed Si branch on the hour pillar. If you want to count to the minutes, any water branch minute within 9am-11am would set off the career chain crash. Either that or 4th June where there is a Shen branch combine with Si fire. But again, that will more likely be a case of peer involvement.

Since you said 100% true that you walk away from your job in frustration, then it will be more logical it is a water clash with Si fire case for all job loss scenarios.

Please critique my above reading.
I need to back test my technique and improve.

As for marriage, could you indicate which year? It is too time consuming to check every June of every of your adult years till today.

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Ok, now, let's assume back test is successful.
So the point here is to help you prepare for the future.

Learning from this analysis that your chart is very susceptible to exposed branch/stem issues, I will point out some danger points in your upcoming months and years:

8th Oct - 7th Nov 2023
Xu earth is exposed in the branches this month. Xu is your support element.
Xu will form a combination with the year's Mao and wipe out your support elements.
Whether this pertains to your house, I am not sure. As mentioned above, support element covers many things.

Luck Pillars 2024-2033 and 2034-2043
Wealth luck is affected with Geng clashing with Jia wood in 2024-2033, and Geng combining with Yi wood from 2034-2043. Wood is your wealth luck.
Wealth luck covers not just money, but relationship with females (spouse), and also relationship with father, your time - things of value in general.

For 2025
Si is exposed again on the branch, so career is under threat once again.
High risk months are May 2025, Dec 2025 - Jan 2026, where the Si will get injured and set off a chain crash again.

There are of course, unlimited things to assess for the future, so I shall offer up to this point for now (tired from all the analysis). If you have any specific point you wish to look at, let me know again.

[JLim (Darma W)]

The correct chart with Gui Si hour is in Reply #7