I. Bergman, wood&water gang?

[Voytek]

Ingrid Bergman, Danish-American actress.

Some facts.
1. She stared career in 1934 (first movie), the acting career lasted continuously for 50 years, so whole natal chart should support this.
2. First Oscar award in 1945, then numerous other awards.
3. Death of mother at the age of 3, she was raised by many "mothers" - aunts, father's lovers etc.
4. Many husbands and divorces.
5. Died in 1982 from breast cancer.

The chart.

 3:30    29     08    1915  Female
  Ren    Ren    Jia    Yi   
  Yin   Chen   Shen    Mao 

 1998   1988   1978   1968   1958   1948   1938   1928   1918 
  Gui    Ren    Xin   Geng    Ji     Wu    Ding   Bing    Yi   
  Si    Chen    Mao    Yin   Chou    Zi     Hai    Xu     You 

Link to the chart


Simple interpretation.
Many mothers - abundant wood (mother in mangpai) element of mixed polarities.
Many divorces - strong output controlling officer - she prefers freedom to husbands.

Successful acting carrer - looks like output working.
It seems like a water and wood gang controlling Chen earth, would you agree? I think the gang is strong enough to form.

First oscar in 1945, LP Hai, Hai joins the gang and supports the chart work.

At the same time, Chen is the weakest organ. Chen is controlled by strong wood, harmed by Mao. In 1982 LP Xin Mao, Mao comes to harm very weak Chen.
Chen earth is breast (Chen is stomach, stomach meridian goes through the middle of breast), which was in this case fatal.

[nin99]

Great reading, sir!

[nin99]

It s strong clash between wood and metal,chen yin Mao and shen
My mither which have breast cancer also have wood metal clash în.her chart.and metal in her lp.intresting view.thank you very much!

[coldpillow]

The original structure is Seal + 7K, but 7K is combined together with wood/output.

So it becomes a good example of 伤官佩印 ---> Hurting Officer adorned with Seal structure.

My favorite HO structure is built on strong body + strong output + strong wealth = high grade chart.

If the body is weak like the chart above, the formula is changed to weak body + strong seal + strong output = high grade chart.

There is no wealth to disturb the seal.

[tyc]

@coldpillow,
What part of the chart is considered the body in u writing?  Please advise thanks.

[coldpillow]

@coldpillow,
What part of the chart is considered the body in u writing?  Please advise thanks.

Body = self element = water.

[tyc]

@coldpillow,
What part of the chart is considered the body in u writing?  Please advise thanks.

Body = self element = water.

So strong body = strength of DM?

[smsek]

From the Bazi information you provided, here is a preliminary analysis of Ingrid Bergman's birth chart:

### Bazi Chart
```
Yi Mao (乙卯), Jia Shen (甲申), Ren Chen (壬辰), Ren Yin (壬寅)
```

### Major Life Phases (Luck Pillars)
```
1918-1927: Yi You (乙酉) 
1928-1937: Bing Xu (丙戌) 
1938-1947: Ding Hai (丁亥) 
1948-1957: Wu Zi (戊子) 
1958-1967: Ji Chou (己丑) 
1968-1977: Geng Yin (庚寅) 
1978-1987: Xin Mao (辛卯) 
1988-1997: Ren Chen (壬辰) 
1998-2007: Gui Si (癸巳)
```

### Analysis

1. **Career and Achievements** 
   Ingrid Bergman's Bazi chart shows that her Day Master is Ren Water, born in the Shen (Metal) month, which supports the Water element. The Water element is strong in her chart. The Year Pillar, Yi Mao (Wood), and the Hour Pillar, Ren Yin (Water-Wood), further strengthen the Wood and Water elements, creating a "Water-Wood mutual growth" pattern. Water represents intelligence and art, while Wood represents talent and creativity. This combination is highly suitable for a career in the arts and acting. 
   - **Entered the film industry in 1934**: From 1938-1947, she was in the Ding Hai (丁亥) luck pillar. Hai Water is a strong root for Ren Water, enhancing her Day Master's strength. Additionally, Hai Water combines with the Yin Wood in her chart, creating a "Wood-Fire brightness" pattern, symbolizing a smooth start to her career. 
   - **Won her first Oscar in 1945**: In 1945, she was still in the Ding Hai (丁亥) luck pillar. Hai Water, as the Lu (禄神, prosperity star) for Ren Water, further strengthened her Day Master. The combination of Hai Water and Yin Wood in her chart symbolized a peak in her career.

2. **Family and Relationships** 
   - **Mother's early death**: In her chart, Wood represents the mother. Yi Wood is in the Year Pillar, but Yi Wood sits on Mao Wood, making the Wood element excessively strong, which can indicate a weak relationship with the mother. Additionally, Shen Metal clashes with Yin Wood, destabilizing the Wood element's foundation, symbolizing the early loss of her mother. 
   - **Multiple marriages**: In her chart, Ren Water's sitting branch is Chen Earth, which represents the spouse (as the 7 Killings star). However, Chen Earth is controlled by Yin Wood, and Shen Metal clashes with Yin Wood, destabilizing the marriage palace. Furthermore, during her Xin Mao (辛卯) luck pillar (1978-1987), the Wood element became even stronger, further damaging the Earth element and exacerbating marital instability.

3. **Health and Later Years** 
   - **Death from breast cancer**: In her chart, Chen Earth represents the stomach and, by extension, the breasts (as the stomach meridian passes through the breast area). Chen Earth is controlled by Yin Wood, and Shen Metal clashes with Yin Wood, weakening Chen Earth. In 1982, she was in the Xin Mao (辛卯) luck pillar, where Mao Wood further intensified the damage to Chen Earth, leading to health issues.

### Additions and Corrections
- **Water-Wood dominance**: Your analysis mentioning "Water-Wood dominance" is correct. Ren Water, supported by the Shen month and the Ren Yin hour pillar, indeed creates a "Water-Wood mutual growth" pattern. 
- **Chen Earth as a key weakness**: Chen Earth is indeed a weak point in her chart, as it is controlled by Yin Wood and further damaged by Shen Metal's clash with Yin Wood. This is particularly important in analyzing her health. 
- **Impact of luck pillars**: Your analysis of the luck pillars is largely accurate, especially the support from the Ding Hai (丁亥) pillar for her career and the health challenges during the Xin Mao (辛卯) pillar.

### Conclusion
Your analysis is generally correct. The Water-Wood dominance in her chart supported her acting career, while the weakness of Chen Earth explains her health issues. One additional point is that while Shen Metal supports Ren Water, it also clashes with Yin Wood, further destabilizing the Wood element and impacting her relationships and health. I hope these additions are helpful!

[smsek]

more in depth analysis ==>The observation you mentioned about her Bazi chart forming a "Yin-Mao-Chen Wood Formation" (寅卯辰=木局) is indeed a very important point, and it has a significant impact on the previous analysis. Let us revisit her Bazi chart and explore the specific effects of the Wood Formation on her destiny.

### Bazi Chart
```
Yi Mao (乙卯), Jia Shen (甲申), Ren Chen (壬辰), Ren Yin (壬寅)
```

### Formation of the Wood Formation
In her Bazi chart, the Year Branch (Mao Wood), Day Branch (Chen Earth), and Hour Branch (Yin Wood) together form the "Yin-Mao-Chen Wood Formation." This formation is extremely powerful, as it transforms Chen Earth (originally Earth) into Wood, further strengthening the Wood element in her chart. The formation of the Wood Formation has the following specific effects on her destiny:

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### 1. **Impact of the Wood Formation on Career**
The formation of the Wood Formation makes the Wood element in her chart extremely strong. Wood represents talent, creativity, and artistic expression. This powerful Wood energy further enhances her natural aptitude for the arts and acting. 
- **Wood Generates Fire**: The strong Wood element generates Fire, which represents fame and reputation. This explains why she was able to achieve such remarkable success in her acting career, especially in 1945 (during the Ding Hai luck pillar, where Hai Water strengthens Wood, and Wood generates Fire), when she won her Oscar. 
- **Wood's Impact on Water**: Although the Wood Formation consumes some of the strength of Ren Water (Wood exhausts Water), Ren Water is supported by the Shen month, and the Ren Water in the Hour Pillar is also prominent. As a result, Water still has enough strength to generate Wood, creating a positive cycle of "Water-Wood mutual growth." This pattern is highly suitable for careers that require creativity and expressiveness.

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### 2. **Impact of the Wood Formation on Family and Relationships**
The strong Wood Formation also has a significant impact on her family and relationships: 
- **Weak Relationship with Mother**: The excessive strength of the Wood element in the Wood Formation represents the mother, but overly strong Wood can lead to a weak relationship with the mother. Additionally, Shen Metal clashes with Yin Wood, destabilizing the foundation of the Wood element and further contributing to the early loss of her mother. 
- **Marital Instability**: In the Wood Formation, Chen Earth is transformed into Wood, completely destroying the Earth element in the Day Branch (marriage palace). Earth represents the spouse (as the 7 Killings star), and Earth being controlled by Wood damages the marriage palace, symbolizing marital instability. Furthermore, during the Xin Mao luck pillar (1978-1987), the Wood element became even stronger, intensifying the damage to Earth and leading to multiple marriages and divorces.

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### 3. **Impact of the Wood Formation on Health**
The formation of the Wood Formation also has important implications for her health: 
- **Chen Earth Transformed into Wood**: Chen Earth originally represents the stomach and breasts (as the stomach meridian passes through the breast area). However, the Wood Formation transforms Chen Earth into Wood, completely depleting the Earth element and rendering it unable to fulfill its functions. 
- **Health Crisis in 1982**: In 1982, she was in the Xin Mao luck pillar, where Mao Wood further strengthened the Wood Formation, intensifying the damage to Earth. Chen Earth (symbolizing the breasts) was severely controlled, leading to the outbreak of breast cancer.

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### 4. **Impact of the Wood Formation on the Overall Chart**
The formation of the Wood Formation makes the Wood element the dominant force in her chart, while other elements (such as Earth and Metal) are severely suppressed. This pattern has the following characteristics: 
- **Strong Wood, Weak Earth**: Earth is controlled by Wood, leading to issues with the body parts represented by Earth (stomach, breasts) and interpersonal relationships (marriage, family). 
- **Wood Exhausts Water**: The Wood Formation consumes some of the strength of Ren Water, but since Ren Water is supported by the Shen month and Shen Metal generates Water, Water still has enough strength to generate Wood, maintaining the balance of the chart. 
- **Wood Controls Metal**: Shen Metal is suppressed by the Wood Formation, weakening the Metal element. Metal represents the lungs and respiratory system, but since Metal is not a key element in her chart, its impact is relatively minor.

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### Revised Summary
- **Formation of the Wood Formation**: The Yin-Mao-Chen Wood Formation greatly enhances the Wood element in her chart, making Wood the dominant force. 
- **Career Success**: The strong Wood Formation supports her artistic talent and acting career, especially during the Ding Hai luck pillar (1938-1947), where Wood generates Fire, representing fame and leading to her illustrious career. 
- **Family and Marriage**: The Wood Formation severely damages the Earth element, symbolizing a weak relationship with her mother and marital instability. 
- **Health Issues**: The Wood Formation transforms Chen Earth into Wood, depleting the Earth element and ultimately leading to a health crisis during the Xin Mao luck pillar (1978-1987).

The existence of the Wood Formation indeed has a significant impact on the previous analysis, further explaining her destiny in terms of career, family, and health. I hope this additional analysis is helpful to you!

[coldpillow]

So strong body = strength of DM?

Yes! Strong DM is more accurate term.

[nin99]

@smsek there was somebody that tell about shen that help mao so no obstruction because shen has hidden ren.than I start to understand your point of view.thank you very much

[nin99]

@Voytek I thought before to know that ny mother get stick,the mother is represents by metal,because logical metal give birth water.
Ok if mater is reprezents by wood
Than father is represents by???

[JLim (Darma W)]

Hi Voytek,

Many mothers - abundant wood (mother in mangpai) element of mixed polarities.

Yes, yes! This is a very good point.  Other Bazi schools get confused when they read this.

Successful acting career - looks like output working.

True.

It seems like a water and wood gang controlling Chen earth, would you agree? I think the gang is strong enough to form.

That's right, Voytek!  Outputs are abundant and very strong.  They must perform work for a highly successful person.

At the same time, Chen is the weakest organ. Chen is controlled by strong wood, harmed by Mao. In 1982 LP Xin Mao, Mao comes to harm very weak Chen.
Chen earth is breast (Chen is stomach, stomach meridian goes through the middle of breast), which was in this case fatal.

Yes.  Look also at Angelina Joie, with Chen in her chart.  She had surgery on her breasts

[Voytek]

Thank you for very nice reading to all who contributed, very goods points, thanks 

[Sesshomaru]

Other bazi schools don't get confused at all.
Her real mother (biological) is Shen that is overwhelmed by extremely strong wood. Lacking affinity with real mother. in her case: mother died at very young age.

It's more appropriate to call her many "mothers": stepmothers. It's actually other people who got the "mother" title