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Offline Jakari72

Re: Help me to comprehend my chart
« Reply #60 on: October 31, 2025, 06:53:28 PM »
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Re: Help me to comprehend my chart
« Reply #61 on: October 31, 2025, 08:18:15 PM »
H D M Y
壬乙戊甲
午丑辰戌


This chart shows a Yi Wood Day Master born in the Month of Chen.
In terms of strength and vitality analysis (旺衰强弱), both Wood and Earth are strong in this chart.

The Wood Day Master has a root in 辰 and supportive elements (the Direct Resource and the Rob Wealth), so it's not weak. But compared to Earth, which has three roots and 午 for nourishment, Wood is the weaker side.

The main pattern in this chart is Compete-for-Wealth (爭財).

Every chart has a different reason for competing for wealth. In this case, the competition exists in order to protect the Direct Resource on the Hour Stem, Ren. This means, the chart is born with a mandate to participate in the marketplace and follow material logic, but it also possesses a strong inner emphasis on spiritual richness, loyalty, and moral values. The suffering comes from the conflict between these two drives.

Because this is a male chart, the Luck Pillars move forward, heading into Output-Generate-Wealth and then into Ouput-Control-Officer decades. That means the people around him and the circumstances of his life keep pushing him to earn money and grow as an economic actor in society. 

But in terms of the Five Phases, he's also going through the season of Fire, where every generating and controlling cycle is active. Especially during Geng Wu and Xin Wei, Metal generates Water, intensifying his desire for mental and spiritual comfort.

So, to him, most people around him look like materialistic opportunists, whom he despises, and he also sees them in him; he even despises himself.
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Re: Help me to comprehend my chart
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« Reply #63 on: November 01, 2025, 02:25:50 AM »
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But in terms of the Five Phases, he's also going through the season of Fire, where every generating and controlling cycle is active. Especially during Geng Wu and Xin Wei, Metal generates Water, intensifying his desire for mental and spiritual comfort.


What would happen in Metal luck cycle, when both metal and water come together?

He will have peace of mind and surrounded by the right kind of people?

To me, looks like it's the best luck cycle for him too. Or at least the most decent.


The way I was taught, everything depends on the natal chart first, not the luck cycles. In other words, the elemental balance of the chart is already fixed at birth, and the Day Master will feel more or less stable, depending on which side of that balance the luck cycle pushes.

In this case, the Day Master feels most comfortable when Earth remains steady or becomes stronger. Water is his weakest element and the polar opposite of Earth, so nourishing Water or giving it a root through luck cycles actually amplifies his emotional instability rather than calming it. This is because his Ti and Yong are disrupted—Ti being Earth, Yong being Water.

So, I cannot simply say, “This is a good luck cycle for him.” He may have appeared to flourish financially during Geng Wu or Xin Wei, but mentally? That is a different question.

In this chart, Wood and Earth take priority because they occupy the Year and Month Pillars. When Metal enters through the luck cycle, it first attacks Wood in order to protect Earth. But in doing so, it also weakens Wood’s ability to defend against Water. Only after that does Metal generate Water, meaning the unpleasant part happens first, and then the Water effect hits harder as it's been strengthened by Metal.

So, instead of producing peace of mind, the Metal-to-Water cycle could actually deepen the emotional aftermath.

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Offline Korobokle

Re: Help me to comprehend my chart
« Reply #65 on: November 01, 2025, 05:17:36 AM »
I appreciate the reply @eveereads @coldpillow

It’s very helpful n you’re right about spiritual n mental comfort.

N yet Geng Wu was an awful lp. So far Xin Wei is still bad. My financial situation didn’t flourish back in Geng Wu. It hasn’t changed so far in Xin Wei.

Metal-to-water cycle would deepen the emotional aftermath? What does it mean?

Indeed there’s a root in Chen n yet Chen is clashed by Xu. The root is damaged. Earth is too strong so it needs to be alleviated by metal or I need the help of Jia to control it. Jia on year stem ain’t strong enough as well. Ren Shen lp would combine Chen to form half water combo, water storage is opened. Ren would be overwhelmingly strong n yet my earth is enough to dam it(?)
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What is the most helpful luck cycle for his chart?

According to this source, rob wealth breaks the chart. It doesn't specify whether rob wealth must be strong or rooted ---> https://blog.sohu.com/s/Mjc3NDg5MDgx/328483338.html

In terms of 10 Gods interaction, I simply assume metal should appear in stem to control robbery.

But should/can a broken chart be fixed?

Or maybe it can only seek external help (from other people's charts) to function better?

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Re: Help me to comprehend my chart
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Offline Korobokle

Re: Help me to comprehend my chart
« Reply #67 on: November 01, 2025, 06:43:27 AM »
@coldpillow

In my first lp ji si, my life wasn’t that good either, lol.

So my chart is broken by design? I thought it’s been awful, but how worse could it get? lol

Idk why my chart is really complicated. Sigh

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Re: Help me to comprehend my chart
« Reply #68 on: November 01, 2025, 07:18:30 AM »
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@eveereads

What is the most helpful luck cycle for his chart?

According to this source, rob wealth breaks the chart. It doesn't specify whether rob wealth must be strong or rooted ---> https://blog.sohu.com/s/Mjc3NDg5MDgx/328483338.html

In terms of 10 Gods interaction, I simply assume metal should appear in stem to control robbery.

But should/can a broken chart be fixed?

Or maybe it can only seek external help (from other people's charts) to function better?

1. What is the most helpful luck cycle for his chart?

If I were to talk strictly about mental or emotional satisfaction, things would begin to improve starting from the next Luck Pillar.

The next pillar is Ren Shen (壬申).
In the Branches, Shen joins the Chen to form a Water trine (申子辰 水局) with Ren Water (Direct Resource) on the Stem. Even though the Branch is an Officer, it does not surface in the Stem, so the Day Master and Rob Wealth can control the Wealth for the Resource more easily.

The following Luck Pillars, Gui You (癸酉) and Jia Xu (甲戌), also look fairly favorable.

But in my view, the main issue is not the Luck Pillars.

Luck changes every 24 hours. Morning, afternoon, and night all shift the elemental tilt of the chart, so the Day Master’s internal state constantly changes.

In this chart:

Morning → Wood becomes strong.

Afternoon → Earth becomes strong.

Night → Water becomes strong.

When two opposite elements (such as Resource and Wealth) are on the Stems together, the Day Master’s mind swings several times a day. Even in terms of Ti and Yong (體用), when Earth is active, it feels it should protect Water; when Water is active, it regrets not doing Earth.

If he studies for a degree, he regrets not having money.
If he works for money, he regrets not having a degree.
That is the built-in tilt of this chart.

So, no matter whether it is Day Luck, Year Luck, or 10-Year Luck, once the flow deviates from the internal equilibrium of this natal chart, satisfying one side will inevitably create regret on another.

That is why I said earlier: I cannot say any one Luck Pillar is good for the chart, and I don't mean it just for this chart, either. It's for everyone's.

2. In terms of 10 Gods interaction, I simply assume metal should appear in stem to control robbery.

But should/can a broken chart be fixed?


When it comes to the months, Chen, Xu, Chou, and Wei (辰戌丑未), the month itself contains multiple mixed elements, so it is not easy to define a single structure.

In this chart, Chen Earth already contains Yin Bi (印比) + Compete-for-Wealth, so it is not a standard Wealth Structure to begin with.

But if we tentatively classify it as one, then:

The Xiangshen (Corresponding Spirit) would be the Hurting Officer (傷官).

The Gushen (Supporting Spirit) would be the Rob Wealth (劫財).

In this case, the Rob Wealth is not a 破格 (structure-destroying) element but rather the element that protects the Corresponding Spirit.

Normally, in a Wealth Structure, the Rob Wealth appearing on the Stem is not a competitor stealing money, but rather a co-worker or benefactor who helps manage the Wealth territory assigned to the Day Master.
But in this particular chart, the Month Branch itself functions almost like a Rob Wealth, and the Hour Pillar contains a Resource, so the Rob Wealth fights to protect the Resource. This ends up behaving similarly to a “Rob Wealth Month with a Wealth competition.”

In other words, this chart cannot be judged by normal 格 (structure) logic, so I cannot say whether the pattern is broken or upright. If an Officer Star had appeared on the Stem, the Wealth competition could have been restrained, but then the Wealth would have aggressively attacked the Resource in return.

So, the issue is not fixing a broken chart, but that this chart was never meant to operate under a clean, single structure in the first place.

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Re: Help me to comprehend my chart
« Reply #69 on: November 01, 2025, 07:22:09 AM »
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Offline Korobokle

Re: Help me to comprehend my chart
« Reply #70 on: November 01, 2025, 07:29:03 AM »
@coldpillow @eveereads

You already asked that in previous comments, but still, my answer won’t change : no. I ain’t that close with my mother’s family. They ain’t influential, not even a bit. My dad’s family is more influential compared to my mom’s since I lived with grandparents till I was 15.

And no, when I was a baby my family was financially tight. It got better when I was 5th grader or smth.


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Re: Help me to comprehend my chart
« Reply #71 on: November 01, 2025, 07:34:56 AM »
I appreciate the reply @eveereads @coldpillow

It’s very helpful n you’re right about spiritual n mental comfort.

N yet Geng Wu was an awful lp. So far Xin Wei is still bad. My financial situation didn’t flourish back in Geng Wu. It hasn’t changed so far in Xin Wei.

Metal-to-water cycle would deepen the emotional aftermath? What does it mean?

Indeed there’s a root in Chen n yet Chen is clashed by Xu. The root is damaged. Earth is too strong so it needs to be alleviated by metal or I need the help of Jia to control it. Jia on year stem ain’t strong enough as well. Ren Shen lp would combine Chen to form half water combo, water storage is opened. Ren would be overwhelmingly strong n yet my earth is enough to dam it(?)
@eveereads

What is the most helpful luck cycle for his chart?

According to this source, rob wealth breaks the chart. It doesn't specify whether rob wealth must be strong or rooted ---> https://blog.sohu.com/s/Mjc3NDg5MDgx/328483338.html

In terms of 10 Gods interaction, I simply assume metal should appear in stem to control robbery.

But should/can a broken chart be fixed?

Or maybe it can only seek external help (from other people's charts) to function better?


1. Metal-to-water cycle would deepen the emotional aftermath? What does it mean?

In Mingli, Water represents the mind, emotions, and internal response.
And when Metal generates Water (金生水), it strengthens Water.
So, if someone already has Water in the natal chart, and then Metal enters through luck cycles, the flow Metal → Water amplifies emotional depth, sensitivity, desires, and internal reactions.

2. Indeed there’s a root in Chen n yet Chen is clashed by Xu. The root is damaged.

Just because Chen Earth and Xu Earth are both present doesn’t mean a clash automatically occurs. For a true Chen–Xu clash to form, the Water trine (Shen–Zi–Chen) and the Fire trine (Yin–Wu–Xu) must be established, at the same time. So, for the clash to actually activate and cause real damage, the formation conditions are quite strict.

Of course, this chart's chances are higher than in a chart that has only Chen or only Xu, but compared to another that has Shen + Chen combined with Xu, the likelihood is still much lower.

Chen Earth and Xu Earth can simply be viewed through the Five Elements. The Year Branch means the Day Master's family and ancestors, and its element is Metal, and the Month Branch, which is the Day Master's, is Wood. That means there is someone in the family who nags it or talks down to it. But since Metal does not appear on the Heavenly Stems, the Day Master can easily ignore that voice. So, it’s not a serious problem.


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Re: Help me to comprehend my chart
« Reply #72 on: November 01, 2025, 08:19:14 AM »
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Offline Korobokle

Re: Help me to comprehend my chart
« Reply #73 on: November 01, 2025, 08:24:47 AM »
@eveereads so simply put, what should I strive for? What can I expect from my life? How good/bad this current Xin Wei lp would be compared to previous lp?

Your terrific explanation is enlightening indeed, thank you.

@coldpillow awful upbringing, betrayal, bullying, constant failures, ‘enlightenment’, disillusionment.

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Re: Help me to comprehend my chart
« Reply #74 on: November 01, 2025, 09:18:34 AM »
@eveereads so simply put, what should I strive for? What can I expect from my life? How good/bad this current Xin Wei lp would be compared to previous lp?

Your terrific explanation is enlightening indeed, thank you.

@coldpillow awful upbringing, betrayal, bullying, constant failures, ‘enlightenment’, disillusionment.

1. What should I strive for?

The main pattern in your chart is Wealth Competition (爭財).
People with this pattern lose interest quickly. They jump from job to job, quit easily, drop relationships halfway, and even after moving into a new home, they already feel tired of it and want to move again.

But human life is limited.
If you change careers three or four times, you are already near retirement.
If you marry and divorce three or four times, you will be bankrupt.

Since you're still young, I suggest you put everything into what you are doing now and commit fully.
That is the only way you will succeed.

The same applies to people: the person you are with right now, the person beside you right now, is the best person for you.
The nature of Wealth Competition is that the more you switch—whether it's jobs, people, places, or possessions—the smaller the return becomes, and the lower the quality gets.

I once saw someone who sold excavators in his 20s end up running a sushi restaurant (selling tiny rice balls topped with sushi) in his 50s, and then fail. That is the pattern of 爭財.
You must think: “What I have right now is the best."

Luckily, you do have a Resource (印) in your chart, and you try to protect it, so you are not the same as someone who acts blindly without thinking. But still, 爭財 is 爭財.
No matter what you do, you must stay with one thing consistently.
That is the fastest path to success.



2. How good/bad this current Xin Wei lp would be compared to previous lp?

I don’t think the Xin-Wei (辛未) Luck Pillar is bad. For someone born in the Wood Peak Season, Fire luck is the stage where you can shine and grow.
Xin Wei is the period right before autumn, a time to look inward and reassess yourself.
The Heavenly Stem brings Partial Officer (偏官), and for a Day Master that is already strong, this is actually a blessing: it gives you difficult experiences that harden you, mature you, and allow you to rise again—stronger than before.

We all tend to think:

“Good luck should last forever, and bad luck should pass quickly.”

But as I said earlier, life is limited, and every luck cycle is an opportunity and a blessing in its own way.

When we trip and get hurt, we say “bad luck,” but even that is a chance to reflect on why we fell, and fix the cause. Otherwise, something worse might have happened later.

The saying “What doesn’t kill you makes you stronger” is exactly how an overcoming cycle works.
If you can identify why something difficult is happening, and see the cause inside yourself, even hardship becomes a reason to feel grateful.

Learning the truths about yourself that even you didn’t know, correcting them, and becoming a better person. That, I believe, is the real purpose of studying Mingli.

 

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