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Quiz 11- ...Divination About Sons illness
« on: February 16, 2018, 08:26:08 PM »
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this quiz is an Answer to @Dao's upload ...


彼谓父母旺动,用爻亥水子孙而无气,本为凶兆,喜得用爻值旬空而避之,至丙子日而愈。
Someone said that the parents yao is on flourishing (Wang) Qi phase, with the useful Yao Hai water Offspring is without Qi, this is a bad omen, will feel pleased when useful Yao be on empty days (kong wang ) and avoid [bad omen], when arrive Bing Zi - water Day then will recover.

盖丙子者,则前面已过,又是亥水子孙值子日以临帝旺之故耳。
On the top with Bing Zi water, what facing already have passed,  again there is Hai water Offspring 2nd line worth for Zi day then by facing this supreme ruler, [Di emperor (Azure Dragon.] in flourishing phase hence handle [over the situation].

野鹤曰:此论非理。
The Wild Crane Said: This theory is not reasoning.

诸占,最恶者忌神,既动于卦中,祸已萌矣。
Many of them observed that, the most vicious annoying God (Ji Shen) is, since moving in a Gua, evil has been sprout.

用神静者,逢冲之日遭害;用神动者,
When useful God is unmoving, and clashed (Chong) by the day [p.e. Si fire] is harmed ; then useful God is moving.

逢值合之日遭伤;用神破者,
A conjunction with day this meeting hurts; A Useful God Breaks (po) [by the day]

实破之日而遇;用神空者,出空之日相逢,是乃未曾出空,可以避之,出空必遇其害,岂可曰出空则前面已过,反不受其祸,此说悖也,谬也。
This is truly conjunction and breaking by the day, with useful God [Offspring Hai 2nd yao] empty, will come out of emptiness by the day opportunity, is never before out of empty, you can avoid (harm for a wile ), when out of emptiness will encounter harm, should be said to be out of emptiness on what has been past, reversely not accepting this suffering, this explains to go contrary, and deceive also [so much].
[.. perhaps this explanation has something to do with retreating 6th Annoying Parent line ]

余得其验者,元神动于卦中,用神空者,
Making more [practice] in examination, [suppose ] the Yuan God moving in the Gua, with the useful God empty,

出空之日得福;忌神动于卦中,而用神空者,出空之日逢殃,屡占屡验,独近病逢空不论。
When is Out of emptiness and obtain good fortune, the annoying God moved in the Gua, and with useful God empty, one day when is out of emptiness will find calamity, repeatedly account [your] examination, is close to illness regardless meeting by chance an empty days.

凡占近病,用神得遇旬空者,不拘日月动爻克害,用神出空之日即愈,独此一事论空不论克也,他占皆忌。
Every divination on disease, with useful God meeting empty days, not confine oneself to Month or Day or moving yao that subduing harmfully, the day that useful God will be out of emptiness there is recovering, alone this theory on emptiness regardless of subdue also, he must take account to annoying God.

此姤之大过,定是占于近病,不悟近病逢空即愈,而曰诸事皆可避之也,此误后人也,宜删之。
This is a serious mistake, if you divine for a near sickness, and not realize that near sickness is in empty days namely that will recover, and saying everything is OK and avoid harm, this mistake make the posterity, it is advisable to delete.

爻逢忌杀,敌之无伤。
A yao that kill the Annoying God , the enemy will not injure [wound] anymore.

旧注,忌爻发动,凡事不利,若得日月动爻帮助用爻,可以敌之,不弱于彼,事亦可成。余以此论是理,但彼所存占验欠当。
An Old note:  When an annoying God is moving in a yao, all things unfavorable, even if month or day or moving yao assist a useful yao, not overestimate that, you maybe succeed, but after all can be the enemy, I use this theory by a reason, but that divinatory tests are deficient to manage.
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Re: Quiz 11- ...Divination About Sons illness
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Re: Quiz 11- ...Divination About Sons illness
« Reply #2 on: February 16, 2018, 10:56:52 PM »
Dear @JLim @Dao .. all

I would add a paintbrush stroke on this 11 quiz...
The probable question is ... Will my Son's illnes getting better?  [.. in this query one wants to know if his son is capable to recover so the Yongshen is Offspring ]

First of all there is a difficult codition becouse apparently the Wu fire Hostile shen officer Other 4th yao produce the Shi/Self Chou earth parent annoying Shen...
.. a proposal. .
When the day Yin wood arrive then:
1. can subdue the annoying God on 6th moving Parent yao ...
2. Can subdue the Shi /self Chou earth annoying God 1st yao
3. Can clash (po) the Shen metal Yuan Shen .. and by secretly move to reinforce Hai water Yongshen yao.

This can be taken very carefully becouse Yin wood can in time producing the fire hostile God and hurting Yuanshen of Hai water Yongshen ...

But not at all the above be taken if the question is about the nature of th disease... [Yongshen Officer]

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Re: Quiz 11- ...Divination About Sons illness
« Reply #4 on: February 17, 2018, 06:33:07 PM »
Dear @Dao .. all

Very good and detailed work ...
Even Wild cranes cases are for educational use only ... are not conclusive .. but this must not bothering anyone who needs knowledge and education at the same time ...

To some extent we can perfect these cases and put our point of views ...

By the trial and in time the positive results will satisfy most of us .

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Re: Quiz 11- ...Divination About Sons illness
« Reply #6 on: February 20, 2018, 06:29:26 PM »
Just two comments on this case: Xu Earth at the Sixth Line is the Ji Shen (Annoying God).  Nothing to worry about this Ji Shen, because:
-  Xu starts off as an empty line (Kong Wang)
-  Xu changing to Wei is a retreating line.  It's actually auspicious if Ji Shen is a retreating line.  I think the classics did not mention this part, but this is a relevant factor!

The Chou Shen (Hostile God) in this case is Officer line.  Wu Fire is weak by Month and Day, and held up by Month Wei.  So Chou Shen is not to worry either.

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Re: Quiz 11- ...Divination About Sons illness
« Reply #8 on: February 21, 2018, 03:36:35 PM »
Just two comments on this case: Xu Earth at the Sixth Line is the Ji Shen (Annoying God).  Nothing to worry about this Ji Shen....

Dear @JLim @Dao. ..all

Thank you for your comments .... I keep it to use anytime this can happen on future Hexagram decipher. .
.. I would like to add a comment :
This 6th parent moving line is so far away from 1st Shi/Self Parent line  ... so the future is not so strong to influence the Son 's health so seriously...
Plus all the Comments of @JLim ... the future is not so bad .... for the health issues.
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Re: Quiz 11- ...Divination About Sons illness
« Reply #9 on: March 29, 2019, 11:56:00 AM »
Just two comments on this case: Xu Earth at the Sixth Line is the Ji Shen (Annoying God).  Nothing to worry about this Ji Shen, because:
-  Xu starts off as an empty line (Kong Wang)
-  Xu changing to Wei is a retreating line.  It's actually auspicious if Ji Shen is a retreating line.  I think the classics did not mention this part, but this is a relevant factor!

The Chou Shen (Hostile God) in this case is Officer line.  Wu Fire is weak by Month and Day, and held up by Month Wei.  So Chou Shen is not to worry either.

Totally agree , Xu retreat to Wei , even if the illness is not entirely cured, it will retreat , and as empty line cannot be too strong
the five line brother line advance , and identify with date and supported by month . This is very strong line , therefore his move produce the Child line and is good. His advance is strong too as it goes from sheng to you , that is total metal (sheng only part metal).

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