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Quiz 14-...Divination about illness
« on: February 27, 2018, 08:22:32 PM »

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Re: Quiz 14-...Divination about illness
« Reply #1 on: February 28, 2018, 01:19:27 AM »
About (own) illness, or about illness regarding someone?

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Re: Quiz 14-...Divination about illness
« Reply #2 on: February 28, 2018, 08:45:37 AM »
About (own) illness, or about illness regarding someone?

This case study is about the illness of somone else ...
The correct order is :

Someone is visited a  Ming Department. ( F.T.Office ) to make a query (..for an illnes of somone else .)

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Re: Quiz 14-...Divination about illness
« Reply #3 on: February 28, 2018, 05:28:48 PM »
My answer: let's pray for Chen or Wei day.  In the context of modern medicine, it's strongly recommend to push for advanced medical technology to save him. But I don't know how it would be in the olden times.

1) Self line has the configuration 'Follow the Ghost into Tomb".  Because Self goes into Chou Tomb (Day Branch).
2) Note the line location is Third line, and it comes with Xuan Wu (Turtoise). And all lines are non-moving!
3) Based on all signs in 1 and 2, it looks like the sick person is 動彈不得, difficult to get out of bed.  And cause of illness is unclear.

4) Siblings line is hidden and in this case cannot get out.  This person has weak immunity.
5) Fourth Offspring line is empty.  The person does not take any medicine, because it has been of no help.

6) Fortunately, self line is strong by Month and Day.  This line is also supported by Chou and Xu.
7) Wait till Chen or Wei day to clash Xu or Chou, so that Xu or Chou can produce You (Self).  The advantage of Wei is that it clashes open Chou Day, where Self got entombed into.  Wei is able to "move" Chou. 

How I see advanced medical technology: next post  ;)

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Re: Quiz 14-...Divination about illness
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Re: Quiz 14-...Divination about illness
« Reply #5 on: February 28, 2018, 05:32:41 PM »
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Re: Quiz 14-...Divination about illness
« Reply #6 on: February 28, 2018, 06:35:27 PM »
Hi All,
Busy today, back at home, curious...
Thank you Tientai, Jlim & members.. I will read quietly...
All the best
 
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Re: Quiz 14-...Divination about illness
« Reply #7 on: February 28, 2018, 08:15:59 PM »
ANSWER TO QUIZ 14


此卦申命随鬼入墓,世爻随鬼入墓,世身又落旬空,卦身又临月破,
In this hexagram the fate of Shen metal [5th Ghost/ Officer yao] entering the tomb, Shi/Self Ghost/ Officer yao entering the tomb [also], the Shi Shen * [4th Wu Offspring yao] is in Empty Days, Gua Shen ** [ Fu yin Brother Yin - wood ] facing the Month Break {po)
若执古法断之,百无一生。
If execute the Ancient laws to Judge [destiny], so many of them [Laws ] but none is giving birth.
余因世爻旺相,许愈于未日。
I (Yu) think because Shi/Self 3d yao is in flourishing [Wang] Qi phase, [said that ] perhaps will recover on Wei - earth Day.
果于未日起床。
Indeed on Wei - earth Day getting out of bed.
应未日者,冲开丑墓之日而出也,古法以墓为沉滞昏迷之象,此说近理。
The answer why Wei - earth Day is, [because] this day clash [chong] the Tomb Chou - earth [1st yao] and going out of it also ***[.. tientai footnote], ancient methods using Tomb as sinking sluggish [just as ] an imitation of dizziness (losing consciousness), on this theory one must be paid attention.
此人病中不思汤药,昏昏沉沉,
This man's illness occur centrally due to not taking his prescribed medicine, hence dizziness (losing consciousness) 
至未日忽然甦醒,不药而愈
By the arrival of Wei - earth Day all of a sudden regain consciousness, without medicine and recovering [from illness]
岂可一概谓之随鬼入墓耶?
How can we certainly say without exception that the ghost is entering into the tomb [ only ] ?

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*卦身 (Hexagram Body)
**世身 (Subject Body)
***[.. tientai footnote] …. Perhaps from the previous quiz 13 is a relation of 1st yao “solely sending out”:
 如卦中有一爻明動,有一爻逢日辰衝而暗動,也稱為獨發。
As to the bottom gua’s first yao (wise !!) movement, is when this yao meets the clash (chong) of the Day [branch] and makes hidden movement,  this is also called solely sending out ( to show one's feelings )

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Re: Quiz 14-...Divination about illness
« Reply #8 on: February 28, 2018, 09:07:54 PM »
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Re: Quiz 14-...Divination about illness
« Reply #9 on: March 01, 2018, 03:43:41 AM »
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Re: Quiz 14-...Divination about illness
« Reply #10 on: March 01, 2018, 04:29:03 PM »
About (own) illness, or about illness regarding someone?
Hi @The-Monk , I am very interested to read your input on this case.  :)

Hi Tientai, if you notice, the classics almost never discusses the Six Animals.  I learnt that it was in the late Qing dynasty that they started to use them.  The use of Six Animals gives more meanings and shows the process going on in the case. 

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Offline Phoenix

Re: Quiz 14-...Divination about illness
« Reply #12 on: February 03, 2020, 02:58:22 PM »
to read reply #4  ;D

i'm curious whether mangpai's rule "many go into tomb" is also valid in LLYG.


此卦申命随鬼入墓,世爻随鬼入墓,世身又落旬空,卦身又临月破,
In this hexagram the fate of Shen metal [5th Ghost/ Officer yao] entering the tomb, Shi/Self Ghost/ Officer yao entering the tomb [also]

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Re: Quiz 14-...Divination about illness
« Reply #13 on: February 03, 2020, 03:21:57 PM »
Yes and no.  Yes, many can go into Tomb, but the rules are different for which Branch can go into which Branch.

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Re: Quiz 14-...Divination about illness
« Reply #14 on: July 08, 2020, 01:53:26 PM »

7) Wait till Chen or Wei day to clash Xu or Chou, so that Xu or Chou can produce You (Self).  The advantage of Wei is that it clashes open Chou Day, where Self got entombed into.  Wei is able to "move" Chou. 


This expression is somewhat abstract and difficult to understand. It's like Wei day removes the remnants effects caused by chou day (or so I understand), because Wei who it really clashes with is the first line Chou earth, and not the 3rd or 5th line, You and Shen respectively, which are the ones that are entombed by Chou Day. The other would be that the future wei day will clash a past Day (Chou), which marked the influences when it was raising the hexagram.

On wei day the life stage of You and Shen is 3 (Guan Dai) growth.
« Last Edit: July 08, 2020, 02:38:22 PM by Sacrar »

 

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