six animal 六神 Gou chen or Qi lin ?

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I saw sometime the yellow Gou chen animal and some time the yellow QI lin . What is the correct one ? I have learned that it was Gou Chen , as Qi lin is faboulous animal that is here to protect and to do justice. But Gou Chen is curvy like a scorpion idea.  Or is there other Qilin with Gou Chen -like aspect ?

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[JLim (Darma W)]

（勾陈）…有暗昧或迟滯之象
Gou Chen: there is an image shadiness or slowness (sluggishness). 

I don't know exactly who wrote this contemporary Chinese text, but have seen it in the Internet.  I do agree with slowness, but not shadiness.  Shadiness belongs more to 玄武 Xuan Wu, which is another Animal.

For example, Gou Chen coming with Wealth can mean "fixed time deposit".  Yes, it's an interesting application, isn't it? Imagine the slowness and fixed nature of interest income coming from the money deposited in the bank. 

Is it shady income?  Not at all.   Shady money is something like profits that are obtained in smuggling goods, for example.  Totally different!

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I mean usually when you want your house protected , then in Chinese traditionnal culture you can put a Qi Lin statute in a specific place, but I never heard to put a 勾陈 as a protector. therefore I m wondering if they are same animal or not . Because Qi lin is also good omen , mean the emperor is a wise emperor and follow the sagehood , and Qi lin also was put in ancient time in a court , in order to remember that it protect justice too, and never will allow abuse. But 勾陈 seems more abusive in his attitude (like take all and kill all attitude ).
That s why I was confused about Qi lin in some usage in place of 勾陈
 
the qilin has some aspect like that :


and some representation of 勾陈 is like that


we can see the difference , even if they seems to be from same family

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（勾陈）…有暗昧或迟滯之象
Gou Chen: there is an image shadiness or slowness (sluggishness). 

I don't know exactly who wrote this contemporary Chinese text, but have seen it in the Internet.  I do agree with slowness, but not shadiness.  Shadiness belongs more to 玄武 Xuan Wu, which is another Animal.

For example, Gou Chen coming with Wealth can mean "fixed time deposit".  Yes, it's an interesting application, isn't it? Imagine the slowness and fixed nature of interest income coming from the money deposited in the bank. 

Is it shady income?  Not at all.   Shady money is something like profits that are obtained in smuggling goods, for example.  Totally different!

Do you think  that Qi lin and Gou Chen are same animal or different ? 

About Gou Chen , I have seen sometime that it was related to strategic move, and take it all attitude .

[JLim (Darma W)]

Do you think  that Qi lin and Gou Chen are same animal or different ? 

About Gou Chen , I have seen sometime that it was related to strategic move, and take it all attitude .

They are different animals, but then for Liu Yao purpose they mean the same.  In my previous example, Qi Lin+Wealth can also mean "fixed time deposit".  Whether or not the meaning is positive or negative depends on another factor, for example how strong the line is etc.

Strategic move? I would see Teng She (Snake) rather than Gou Chen. 

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Do you think  that Qi lin and Gou Chen are same animal or different ? 

About Gou Chen , I have seen sometime that it was related to strategic move, and take it all attitude .

They are different animals, but then for Liu Yao purpose they mean the same.  In my previous example, Qi Lin+Wealth can also mean "fixed time deposit".  Whether or not the meaning is positive or negative depends on another factor, for example how strong the line is etc.

Strategic move? I would see Teng She (Snake) rather than Gou Chen.

Yes, totally it was a move from Gou Chen and combine with Teng Sheng , and produce strategic move . Teng Shen produced it , but Gou Chen moved to ask the help of Ten Sheng and they agree of strategic move. Gou Chen was very stubborn and want a take it all attitude. Gou Chen tought that it own strategic move was good , but it wasn't at all , and only think about profit but wasn't wise enough. Gou Chen want take it all but his own strategic move when applied will make lose everything   that s right Teng Sheng strategist , Gou Chen stubborn bad leader with some aggressive attitude because blind by profit 

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Yes is logical their strategies are nt in accord ..!!
Gou Chen.'s attitude is to move curved and slow just as a worm ..!!
And Teng She movement is jerky and swiftly  .. from down or interior to  upwards or outwards. .. Just as a flying Snake from earth to the sky !!
... different strategies indeed ...!!
Tt.

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I think the picture of yellow kind of bull/tiger/ with wing represent clearly the aggressive attitude of Gou Chen (before I 'd like to imagine Gou Chen like a scorpio )

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Yes, totally it was a move from Gou Chen and combine with Teng Sheng , and produce strategic move . Teng Shen produced it , but Gou Chen moved to ask the help of Ten Sheng and they agree of strategic move. Gou Chen was very stubborn and want a take it all attitude. Gou Chen tought that it own strategic move was good , but it wasn't at all , and only think about profit but wasn't wise enough. Gou Chen want take it all but his own strategic move when applied will make lose everything   that s right Teng Sheng strategist , Gou Chen stubborn bad leader with some aggressive attitude because blind by profit 

Actually, I remember a hexagram from the other fivearts forum, where Teng She shows the negative qualities of: wants to take it all, stubborn bad leader wish some aggressive attitude because blinded by profit.  That's a Liu Yao divination that I interpreted for ***, regarding some partnership on a medical project.  Good thing that the partner - as I expected from the hexagram - left the project afterwards.  That partner came with Teng She!

Because I thought Ten She as negative aspect will be not detail oriented enough , assumption without verification etc ..

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A very good question is  when we can use and combine in our deciphering the six animals 六神 ?
1. Always ?
2. When there is a reason ?
3. Occasionally  ?
4. Depends in our understanding on  Liu Yao ?
5. ..?
6. ..?
What you can say ?
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Tientai

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it s a secondary information, it depends on situation , it s not always usefull . it only complement the understanding, I don't  always use it .

[JLim (Darma W)]

4. Depends in our understanding on  Liu Yao ?

Six Animals are very useful in differentiating the Six Kins in more detail, giving us more details of the persons, matters or objects.  They also help us in improving the accuracy of the interpretation.  It's a pity that the classical books do not discuss them, or only perfunctorily, giving the impression that sometimes they are usable, and sometimes not.

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Next question about six animals 六神 is :
1. Their elements can involve to the strength of the month just as six kins  ? .. or can fall any animal in  Kong wang?
2. Can we arrange six animals using monthy Heavenly Stem to judge our Hexagram?
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Thanks ..
Tt