ISCA 2:Someone Consulted and Asked- sharing our point of view on interpretation

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Someone want to know if another person can be cured from  illness 
   
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公历起卦时间：2019年2月25日13时16分　(手工指定)
农历：己亥年正月廿一日未时
立春：2019年02月04日11时28分
惊蛰：2019年03月06日05时14分
干支：己亥年　丙寅月　癸巳日　己未时　　（日空：午未）
神煞：驿马－亥　桃花－午　日禄－子　贵人－卯，巳

　　 　　　　　　　乾宫：山地剥 　　　 　 　　艮宫：艮为山 (六冲)　
六神　　伏神　　　本　 　　卦　　 　 　　　　变　 　　卦
白虎 　　　　　 妻财丙寅木 ▅▅▅▅▅ 　 　　 妻财丙寅木 ▅▅▅▅▅ 世
腾蛇 兄弟壬申金 子孙丙子水 ▅▅　▅▅ 世 　　 子孙丙子水 ▅▅　▅▅ 　
勾陈 　　　　　 父母丙戌土 ▅▅　▅▅ 　 　　 父母丙戌土 ▅▅　▅▅ 　
朱雀 　　　　　 妻财乙卯木 ▅▅　▅▅ 　 ╳→ 兄弟丙申金 ▅▅▅▅▅ 应
青龙 　　　　　 官鬼乙巳火 ▅▅　▅▅ 应 　　 官鬼丙午火 ▅▅　▅▅ 　
玄武 　　　　　 父母乙未土 ▅▅　▅▅ 　 　　 父母丙辰土 ▅▅　▅▅ 　

analyse :  The self is on the 子孙丙子水 five line is average and it doesn't move. Self line is on the cure , the shi sheng is on first line and represent the illness of the other person. The third line move from xi sheng to yuang sheng. It move from xi sheng to source god of cure. Therefore it definetly will be cured.  We can see that there is a 4.Heavenly Doctor   天医   tiān yī    gd atd   so
there Is hope For illness if question Is health-related. The third yao line have also a 6.Shining Live star   活曜星   huó yào xīng   itd jnw jtg    From Month Branch , therefore that countering the bad star Banner spirit   旌旗煞. Finally  the 3.Heaven Virtue   天德星   tiān dé xīng   gd tfl jtg  Transforms misfortune to good fortune. So definitely the illness will be cured. But there is six strike hex  in the end , therefore quarrel at the end of the day. It s strange that one person want someone else to be cured and then there is quarrel afterward. We can see that the self line control the object line. So they are at first in disagreement. Some symbolic star about quarrel : There is a 10.Calamity spirit   灾煞   zāi shā   po qvt    that represent sabotage or harm by vile people . But at this time not sure how the quarrel try to happen.



result : the illness has been cured it was minor issue. But it happen that this person try to rob some jewelry from the place of the querent friend,  but he was caught and flee.

ps : We can add that Yin shen has money in mind , looking at six line.  The object line has 3.Heavenly Ear & Eye   天耳天目   tiān ěr tiān mù   gd bgh gd hhhh  about lost item and Separation Deity   喝散神   hē sàn shén   kjq aet pyj   . We can see also that the wealth third line move to brother line that kill him back . Therefore about money matter it s bad sign for the object line.  On the transformed third line the symbolic star has Solitude   孤辰   gū chén   br dfe  , White Tiger spirit   白虎煞   bái hǔ shā   rrr ha qvt    and Moon Solver   月解   yuè jiě   eee qev  , for the robber it mean bad luck and good luck for the virtous (so the querent)

[Gmuli]

Very interesting thank you!
However, I find a part unclear here, isn't illness usually Officer line?
Why look for resource line to show illness?

Also are you sure day of asking was 25 feb?

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@Gmuli
that s very interesting question indeed . Yes the disease is the Officer star , thank for the precision, Shi  sheng mean the way it materialize ,  it happen that the querent and the patient with illness , were already at first place  in very bad relationship (it is the  control from self line to object line )- , because of this bad relationship , it was the employee of this person that went to the querent for a favor .  Therefore because of illness the querent think to help him anyway as an act of humanity (that s why called him the virtuous) .  So the information came from the employee represent in first line that has symbolic star related to Heavenly Amnesty   天赦   tiān shè   gd fot   From Month Branch ,  that helped the querent to be more benevolent, but also had bad star like : .Empty House   寡宿   guǎ sù   pde pwdj   From Day Branch , Hill of 3 & Tomb of 5   三丘五墓   sān qiū wǔ mù   dg rgd gg ajdf    From Month Branch, Four Seasons Small spirit   四季小煞   sì jì xiǎo shā   lh tb ih qvt    Therefore the first line represent the information about illness and worries (because officer produce worries ) but also hidden calamity.  About the symbolic star 4.Four Seasons Small spirit   四季小煞   sì jì xiǎo shā   lh tb ih qvt    For illness-related question, illness would deteriorate and become severe. For calamity-related question, the calamity will become more severe. As we know that he will be cured then it s not about illness become more severe but about calamity reveal itself (from nothing to something like wu wei to taichi and yin / yang cycle ) .
The querent think that the employee didn't know the idea of his boss.  So ,  the Officer is the disease ,  worries about disease is Parents star in first line .  Disease is cured (but the querent finally thought it was just an exageration of his condition and he used that small illness to try to rob something in the place he wanted to be ) . Also there is the hidden calamity inside the moving line, and the six strike confirm that it is important calamity reflect into  at least 10.Calamity spirit   灾煞   zāi shā   po qvt   . So the moving line represent in the same time cure to disease and the  try to steal the jewelry but failed at it (but most of it it represent the try to steal in this case because the hidden calamity reveal itself ) .

  Thankx for the precision


Could you explain about the date question ?

[Gmuli]

@Gmuli
that s very interesting question indeed . Yes the disease is the Officer star , thank for the precision, Shi  sheng mean the way it materialize ,  it happen that the querent and the patient with illness , were already at first place  in very bad relationship (it is the  control from self line to object line )- , because of this bad relationship , it was the employee of this person that went to the querent for a favor .  Therefore because of illness the querent think to help him anyway as an act of humanity (that s why called him the virtuous) .  So the information came from the employee represent in first line that has symbolic star related to Heavenly Amnesty   天赦   tiān shè   gd fot   From Month Branch ,  that helped the querent to be more benevolent, but also had bad star like : .Empty House   寡宿   guǎ sù   pde pwdj   From Day Branch , Hill of 3 & Tomb of 5   三丘五墓   sān qiū wǔ mù   dg rgd gg ajdf    From Month Branch, Four Seasons Small spirit   四季小煞   sì jì xiǎo shā   lh tb ih qvt    Therefore the first line represent the information about illness and worries (because officer produce worries ) but also hidden calamity. The querent think that the employee didn't know the idea of his boss.  So ,  the Officer is the disease ,  worries about disease is Parents star in first line .  Disease is cured (but the querent finally thought it was just an exageration of his condition and he used that small illness to try to rob something in the place he wanted to be ) . Also there is the hidden calamity inside the moving line, and the six strike confirm that it is important calamity reflect into  at least 10.Calamity spirit   灾煞   zāi shā   po qvt   . So the moving line represent in the same time cure to disease and the  try to steal the jewelry but failed at it (but most of it it represent the try to steal in this case because the hidden calamity reveal itself ) .

  Thankx for the precision


Could you explain about the date question ?

Ohh... I understand. Very interesting case, thank you. : )
The date doesn't matter then, I was wondering why Officer is strong and there is no problem with the illness, but that explains it. : )

[Dao]

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@Gmuli
that s very interesting question indeed . Yes the disease is the Officer star , thank for the precision, Shi  sheng mean the way it materialize ,  it happen that the querent and the patient with illness , were already at first place  in very bad relationship (it is the  control from self line to object line )- , because of this bad relationship , it was the employee of this person that went to the querent for a favor .  Therefore because of illness the querent think to help him anyway as an act of humanity (that s why called him the virtuous) .  So the information came from the employee represent in first line that has symbolic star related to Heavenly Amnesty   天赦   tiān shè   gd fot   From Month Branch ,  that helped the querent to be more benevolent, but also had bad star like : .Empty House   寡宿   guǎ sù   pde pwdj   From Day Branch , Hill of 3 & Tomb of 5   三丘五墓   sān qiū wǔ mù   dg rgd gg ajdf    From Month Branch, Four Seasons Small spirit   四季小煞   sì jì xiǎo shā   lh tb ih qvt    Therefore the first line represent the information about illness and worries (because officer produce worries ) but also hidden calamity. The querent think that the employee didn't know the idea of his boss.  So ,  the Officer is the disease ,  worries about disease is Parents star in first line .  Disease is cured (but the querent finally thought it was just an exageration of his condition and he used that small illness to try to rob something in the place he wanted to be ) . Also there is the hidden calamity inside the moving line, and the six strike confirm that it is important calamity reflect into  at least 10.Calamity spirit   灾煞   zāi shā   po qvt   . So the moving line represent in the same time cure to disease and the  try to steal the jewelry but failed at it (but most of it it represent the try to steal in this case because the hidden calamity reveal itself ) .

  Thankx for the precision


Could you explain about the date question ?

Ohh... I understand. Very interesting case, thank you. : )
The date doesn't matter then, I was wondering why Officer is strong and there is no problem with the illness, but that explains it. : )

I understand thank you

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@Dao

Thankx for your reply and screenshot with Gmuli tools , it always help to have more representation of a cast

About the date , it s same date of cast, its   related to the hexagram of time, (some people use the tetragram from the great classic of mystery ) . the hexagram of Gui Si is hex 43 , related to the idea of  exposing the idea to court with courtesy , Therefore it s a better time to get more information from an cast , usually it favor more deep analyse. That s related to the date selection technique , it also happen that this date is related to metal and strenght the metal part of analyse so your spirit will focus better (related to date selection combine with your own date) . and in Nayin element it related to the peacefull stream water of river , that represent the advancing step by step like a river that flow without problem (not water tornado ) , with good will and patiently improve step by step , li by li (like the proverb 千里之行 始于足下 a travel of thousand li begin with one first step ). So usually during a good date ,  there will be better information that the querent will give , that s good for more deep analysis.  You can ask divination everyday or even every hour but it doesn't mean that all cast will be usefull because the spirit will be wandering (like the wandering hex ) , some date give better information than other . Therefore yes, it s same date and not all date will give you good information for analysis . So using case from good date is important too (therefore we see how other technique is linked to liu yao too , because they are all interlinked) .

thank you for the question

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@Dao
Thank you for your comment    , my english is not very good neither  . I will try as I can to answer.

Querents have asked and plotted the hex in past date by hand then I kept it (by time you got feedback from some of querents ) . After that if want to share the information on a online forum the question is to know which cases is interesting to share , how do you know which case is interesting to share from the cases you have keep ?
So using some  reverse date selection technique, then look at that date which case seems interesting to select in order to share it for analysis. Then I use the china95 plotter to put in electronic format

thank you very much for the quoted text, even I m not sure what it has to do with question of date , could you clarify ?

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[Tientai ✝️]

@firelink .. hi

So using some  reverse date selection technique, then look at that date which case seems interesting to select in order to share it for analysis. Then I use the china95 plotter to put in electronic format

.. what is reverse date selection technique  ??
I don't understand clearly ... all ISCA examples are desiphered by you ..?
Thanks for participation
Tt.

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@Tientai

In cases analysis not all information is useful or complete for analysis, as I have kept somewhat a lot of casts and decide finally to put in use for more deep analysis, you need to know which cases to select that will be interesting. Therefore using Reverse date selection technique to have some indication about which case have some interesting information (for exemple in this topic ,  ISCA 2 case have  some interresting question that have been shared by members )  .  Reverse Date selection is on past event (usualy date selection is to select futur date for futur event) .

[Tientai ✝️]

@firelink .. hi

Yes good idea .. If understand clearly ...!!

"reverse date selection" is  good to organize many queries of study  on one yearly Schedule circle ...!!
Prerequisites :
1. Excluding on this collection the Year EB  (Tai Shui )
2. Month must be exact with its EB .. and one need watching the transition time .. (there is a difference 1 day from year to year ..!!) and which binomial or Heaven Stem /Earth Branch is the month
3. Day selection must be exact with 60 Binomials.  (Heaven Stem /Earth Branch ). ... otherwise will be mistakes on EB lines in the Hexagram, also in 6 animals allocation and Shensha symbolic stars that make use often Heaven Stem /Earth Branch .. !!

On this case and don't make mistakes one need to use @Gmuli  app.
http://bright-hall.net/WWG/WWGCalc.html
http://bright-hall.net/WWG/WWGCalcTheme3.html

I think is not useful the app. of the http://www.china95.net
....
Tt.

[JLim (Darma W)]

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