CAUSES OF DISEASE

[Tientai ✝️]

疾病预测中六亲的应用
A- Liu Qin [Six relatives ] application to forecast diseases..

用神爻为病人
1. Yongshen = Patient [sick person ]

以应爻为医生、医院
2. Ying - (O)ther line = Doctor or Hospital

官鬼爻为疾病
3. Ghost/Official = Disease [sickness]

4.  父母爻为诊断
Parent = examination Diagnosis

兄弟爻代表花费,
5. Brothers line as money expenses for cure [.. or immunity -- competition against unfavourable influences  ]

子孙爻为医药。
6. Offspring = Medicine [medical care ]

以财爻为饮食。
7. Wife - Wealth = feeding [food and drink, Diet]


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  病因的判断
B- Determining the cause of disease.

1. 以鬼爻所伏之飞神定病因。
if a Ghost line hidden in Fushen then Feishen determine the cause of a disease

2.以鬼爻化出之爻。或者是化出鬼爻者判断。
if a Ghost line changes to a line, or a line changes to Ghost line.. this line determines [the cause of a disease]
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Tientai

[Gmuli]

While I very much agree with most of that, its probably interesting to mention that Officer line is made by the controling relation to the element of the Hexagram.
In that sense, if we consider Officer as "control images", then the line that is controlling the Self line will also have Officer Images on it but instead of doing that in relation to the situation it will do it in relation to the specific person.

Some years back we had members in the other forums that used it like that, the illness wasn't the initial Officer line, it was the line that controls the Self line. And it also seemed to work very well. : )

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[Sacrar]

While I very much agree with most of that, its probably interesting to mention that Officer line is made by the controling relation to the element of the Hexagram.
In that sense, if we consider Officer as "control images", then the line that is controlling the Self line will also have Officer Images on it but instead of doing that in relation to the situation it will do it in relation to the specific person.

Some years back we had members in the other forums that used it like that, the illness wasn't the initial Officer line, it was the line that controls the Self line. And it also seemed to work very well. : )

I have not understood very well what you are trying to say, could you support it with an example?

[ren]

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[Tientai ✝️]

Yes well said :

....Officer element wishes to control (attack) the Sibling line, we may see what organ / element / property - may effect / attack Sibling (body) - as well as the bodies ability to defend / counter attacks.

Sibling line is taken as the Body .. and points out the Palace Hexagram..
Ghost - Officer is taken as the Spirit (or Soul) of the same Hexagram  ..
In an ancient text "Bu Shi Quan Shu "  is written that without Ghost -Officer there isn't any Qi (Energy ) in other "Relatives " ..is formless yet useful inside an Hexagram.
Must be quiet and is favourable to be unmoving..(.. this can explain the life span of a person or Destiny -Ming )
if is insufficient or absent inside an Hexagram then have problems the other "Relatives" ( is just as not providing Qi to other parts of [body])...

Next to it is the Parent star and must be unmoving == treated as "Longivity star " also .....

Therefore Ghost -Officer must not taken so easily as fearful God ..
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[Gmuli]

I agee with ren, but that leads to the same effect, as the sibling line will always be same element as the Hexagram.
In that sense if we look at what is controling the Sibling line, that would already be the Officer/Ghost line.

I meant that the self line can also show the persons depending on the question. And the Self line can be anything. And there will be something attacking/controlling it.

In the previous example:



The Self line is Metal. That is combining with the Si line, but the Si line is also controlling it and its also somewhat moving in the way The Monk read it.
So here the idea is that from Si controlling the Self line we again get Image of Officer/Control relation, so that Si line can also show illness, even though its resource.

It makes different way of reading it, as once we have Officer from what attacks the hexagram element, that is what attacks Sibling as well(as Sibling will always be Hexagram element). But then we also have similar images in the line that still controls the Self Line.
In this example, Self line is child. Resource is controlling it(as resource does). So from the point of view of the Self line, Fire is the Officer.

Meaning if we make the relation based on different points of view, we get different line as officer. And in this case, Self lines Officer is fire and that is resource.
In this sense there are more then a few things we can look for illness. Officer line - sure. Line that turns to Officer - sure. White Tiger in some situations I guess. But then we also have the line that is controlling the Self line or the other persons line.

Also that can happen if we ask for someone else. Lets say we ask for a parent. Parent line may represent them, but then the line that will attack them is the Wealth line. In that case Child won't be the cure depending on what Officer line we watch, as the Child line will be producing the illness line. Suggesting the medicine that the person is using may be making everything worse.

Same way as in bazi if we want to see another spouse or boyfriend for female in bazi, but we need to do it in a males chart(lets say his girlfriend) we can look at her element from her point of view. So for Wealth, Officer line will be SIbling(as Sibling controls Wealth). Again Officer relation/images, but shown indirectly. I think its called "shifting palaces" there or whatever, but the general idea that we can make the relation based on the line that we find interesting to follow.

We have more then a few examples with that, as some members in the other forums used only that. The illness was always the line that attacks the Self line(or the patients line).

In my view, I agree with Tientai and Ren that other stuff is what we should first look for illness(the initial Officer line, as that will not only control the Sibling line, but also the Hexagram element as a whole), but I do think the line that is Officer in relation to the Self line also can play a role and in other situations other lines as well.

[Gmuli]

Took some time to find it, I meant this(quote from The Monk post):

There also happens to be a line within the reading that is undergoing Hidden Movement (暗动); the Annoying God/Spirit of Annoyance (忌神) that is the Parent Line, represented by the Snake atop the Curved Array (勾陈), which subsequently attempts to Combine (合) with the Self Line. The Annoying God may also be viewed from the view of the person themselves (the person asking the question to this Reading about illness) to be an illness in of itself.

Can't find the other topics in the old forums, but as I mention other members seem to be exclusively using this(so ignoring the Officer line at all)

[tanpai]

How will my state progress, well, or will there be further complications?
Processing on this basis
https://www.onlineclarity.co.uk/friends/index.php?threads/serious-health-issue.22677/
5.2.4 > 49
From a text-based, following The Medical I Ching , this is gonna be a tough one. There is a chance to relapse (prognosis for hex 5), and recovering "will be dramatic and transformative" (prognosis for hex 49).
Quote:Chronic illnesses with poor prognozis, external cold with internal heat , bladder trouble  and sudden and complete change in symptomatology ,aggressive and changeable  illnesses…
        From a Wen Wang Gua perspective, in 5zhi49 we can find both positive and negative signs:
When the question is about helath issues, there are 3 key factors: the host line, representing You (in 5zhi49, this line is Shen-metal);
the Official/Ghost, representing the illness and the fear it causes (in 5zhi49, the Official is Yin-wood); and the Parent, representing the doctor and the treatment (in 5zhi49, the Parent is Si-Fire)
 In 5zhi49 both the host line and the Official are active lines, meaning an agressive illness and and active fight for recovering. Since metal controls wood, this is a good sign of you defeating the illness
In 5zhi49 the Parent is voided: meaning the treatment is temporarily uneffective. In 5zhi49, asked on May 23, 2016, Si would came out of hide eventually. So, any treatment would take a lot of time to work. It also can be the case that you eventually would need to change of doctor/treatment before it works. Since fire controls metal, the treatment would probe to be highly debilitating (I guess it referes to the chemoteraphy option).
When the Official line changes, it becomes Chou-earth, with Sibblings relative attached (helpers): earth produces metal... this is a good sign for you. You'll get a lot of support in your recoverning.
When the host line changes, it becomes Hai-water, with Assets relative      attached (you'll need to spend a lot of money for your treatment).
Water produces wood and controls fire. This is not a good sign for you:
seems like money would probe affect the treatment.
 

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[Tientai ✝️]

How will my state progress, well, or will there be further complications?

[ren]

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[JLim (Darma W)]

Hi ren, regarding your point 3 in the previous post, Xi Shen is what produces the Yong Shen.  In Liu Yao we usually use the term Yuan Shen instead of Xi Shen. 

What produces the Ji Shen is Chou Shen (Hostile God).

Here are the Chinese characters, if needed:
- Yong Shen 用神
- Xi Shen 喜神
- Yuan Shen 元神
- Ji Shen 忌神
- Chou Shen 仇神

[Tientai ✝️]

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