CAUSES OF DISEASE

[Gmuli]

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[Tientai ✝️]

@Gmuli  ...
Next of it you will notice that step by step confronted with some difficulties to combine  ..                                                                                                                                               
I need some time to present this issue 
Is named : Dual modulation method  ...
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[Tientai ✝️]

Dual Modulation Method (on Liu Yao usage.)
This method actually is very simple. Summarized in one sentence,
Using the relationship between Useful God and Ghost to determine the prosperity or Decline of Health condition."
Is this method of judgment right?
It can be said that it is correct, but is not comprehensive,
In fact, there are two kinds of judgments in Ghost line. [see below A / B ]
A: PART [Parents / Husband / Self/ ]
以疾病来说，In terms of disease,
鬼爻代表疾病，Ghosts line represent diseases
是卦中的凶煞，inside this gua there is a fierce evil ,
但是如果是占父母长辈之病，but if made divination for parents or elders long life  (for analysis) this taken as direase,
鬼爻虽然也代表疾病，ghost  line also represent disease,
但是它同时又是生父母的， but iif there is something that  giving birth of a parent,
是卦中的原神。on this case is the Original god.

另外如果是妻子算丈夫病，In addition, if a wife asking for her  husband's illness,
鬼爻代表疾病，Ghost line represents the disease,
但是同时又代表丈夫，but at the same time it represents the husband.
是卦中的用神。within this hexagram surely there is a Useful God
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还有比如预测自己的疾病，For example,if someone predict his own disease,
而卦中鬼爻持世，Suppose inside an hexagram there is a ghost holding SELF Line,
生世也是如此，if there is something that produces SELF Line too,
这些情况下，  on this case,
鬼爻虽然也是代表疾病的凶煞，although Ghost line is the representative of the Demon Ghost disease,
但它同时又是原神、用神，nevertheless this is an Original God [that produce ], for the Useful God,
这种情况就叫“煞做用神”。 this is called "a Fiend is serving Useful God."

卦中出现了这种“煞做用神”的情况，A Gua appeared in this case "a Fiend is serving Useful God." in real situation,
判断的方法就有根本的改变，There is a fundamental change in the method of judgment,
这个时候鬼爻依然代表疾病，But again the  Ghost line still represent disease,
但是用法完全相反，yet this method taken as Useful is entirely in reverse order.
当鬼爻旺相的时候，when the Ghost line is in Wang Xiang,
反而代表病情不严重，Instead, it means that the condition is not serious,
鬼爻有生助， If the Ghost line has a helping hand,
反而代表医药有效；instead can represent  the effectiveness of a medicine;

鬼爻休囚被克制，If ghost Line is prisoned and restrained,
反而代表病情严重，instead of it  represent  the seriousness of an illness,
更得鬼爻真空真破失陷无用，moreover if ghost line is in real void or real break loose [ form month] then fall as useless ,                                                                                 
那就是绝症。必死之象。That means terminal illness. Certainly have death shape.

A:Summary
*  And if you count the parents disease,
*  or a woman for her husband's disease,
*  or asking for ones own sickness were ghost holding SELF yao [and another line ] produce SELF,
On these above cases the REVERSE is true:
> If Ghost line is in Wang stage then is condition light, and
> If receive help there will be rescue from medical treatment,

But :
> If Ghost line is on rest or prison is taken as there is severity of illness,and
> If further there is restraint then this case is difficult for treatment, also
> if Ghost line fall Empty [Kongwan] or Hiding [Fushen ] is an incurable disease.

B: PART[ Wife / Brothers / Children / Self]
When a husband predict that your wife is sick, the ghost line will drain money line;
Predicting the illness of brothers or a friend, Ghost line subdue Brothers;
Predictions for childrens  disease, the Ghost line indirectly consume childrens line;
And to predict one's own disease,
when ghost line subdue or drain or consume SELF yao, under these circumstances,
B: summary
> if ghost line is in flourish [Wang] represent the severity of illness,
> if ghost line receive helping assistance this represent difficult treatment,
But:
> if ghost line is in decline [shuai] the condition is light ,
> if this ghost line is restraint means is easily for medical treatment. 

Personal comment :
This method is not  all inclusive and needs further neccesary attention when in use..
But can support one's  judgment as a second look ..!!
Anyway can succesfuly support  7 of 10 cases...
The Judgement is yours
Tientai

[Gmuli]

B: PART[ Wife / Brothers / Children / Self]
When a husband predict that your wife is sick, the ghost line will drain money line;
Predicting the illness of brothers or a friend, Ghost line subdue Brothers;
Predictions for childrens  disease, the Ghost line indirectly consume childrens line;
And to predict one's own disease,
when ghost line subdue or drain or consume SELF yao, under these circumstances,

And if we ask for a parent, then the ghost line, will make the parent sick by producing it...
The stronger the parent line becomes the more... Hmm... Wait, does that make sense?!

[ren]

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[Tientai ✝️]

Many thanks @ren .. for your clearer interpretation ..                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
I appreciate it so much .!!
I was hurry to present this issue before new year ... haha !!
I wish you and all members be  happy for the New Year 2020 .
BTW :
鬼爻休囚被克制，If ghost Line is prisoned and restrained,
Inside Wild Cranes book very often is using "prison "and "restrained" as coming from timliness of the month. !!

Tientai

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[Gmuli]

@Tientai
My problem is that I'm comparing every rule we mention with a lot of readings. And so far the problems mentioned become very big when we look at real life examples. I'm guessing most of us are doing that, so the idea we can just use Officer no matter what else is going on(except parent), should very soon show that it isn't as reliable as one may think.

@ren

Furthermore, if the Ghost yao is True Void or True Po, it become useless, the illness is incurable. This is an indication of (certain) death.

http://fivearts.org/index.php?topic=897.0

But if you look at the example with the tumor and blood problems, the original Officer line was in void. Was also on the others line.
Yet it seems the thing that we all(I think all?) agreed with, is that specific line doesn't show any disease at all, as almost no one of us seemed to be looking at it with the idea it shows a problem.
So the idea that Officer in void read as desease is incurable or that this was showing curtain death seems to be the one thing we all agree is not actually how it works so far.

Anyway, I don't want to argue about that, as we do seem to have some differences in how we read health examples, that seemed to be getting bigger as we go more into it. Its all good, though as the general agreement seems to be supporting the same ideas, will just stop commenting on that specific thing, everyone is free to use whatever has proven it works for them, after all. : )

[Tientai ✝️]

Dear @Gmuli  ..
What you mention to @ren :

.. is not so ..l!
Someone asking for his own illnes ..
So Self line is judged in contest with Officer line
This case akin to B: part
Self line child  is much stronger by the Month (season ) .. and Officer is not .. even more in void .                                                                                                                                 
So the disease is light and easily treatable case ..!!

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[Tientai ✝️]

 @Gmuli. .
I don't understand what you mean ".. stop commenting " ..!!!

I am not inventing something new and don't please anyone to accept my ideas after all..!!                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             
But for this sensitive part concerning "Health " .. all we must commenting ..!!
You could better say " .. I am not Tag or participate " ..!!

Have good health for the New coming year  .. that's a comment 😂😂😂😂

Tientai

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[JLim (Darma W)]

鬼爻休囚被克制 = rest / prison / is restrained 
被 introduces a passive sentence  [that's a grammatical term]

Tientai mentioned somewhere that it refers to "timeliness of the month".  Yes, it is indeed about timeliness.  But unlike Bazi, in Liu Yao timeliness is based on the month and day.

[JLim (Darma W)]

还有比如预测自己的疾病，For example,if someone predict his own disease,
而卦中鬼爻持世，Suppose inside an hexagram there is a ghost holding SELF Line,
生世也是如此，if there is something that produces SELF Line too,
这些情况下，  on this case,
鬼爻虽然也是代表疾病的凶煞，although Ghost line is the representative of the Demon Ghost disease,
但它同时又是原神、用神，nevertheless this is an Original God [that produce ], for the Useful God,
这种情况就叫“煞做用神”。 this is called "a Fiend is serving Useful God."

卦中出现了这种“煞做用神”的情况，A Gua appeared in this case "a Fiend is serving Useful God." in real situation,
判断的方法就有根本的改变，There is a fundamental change in the method of judgment,
这个时候鬼爻依然代表疾病，But again the  Ghost line still represent disease,
但是用法完全相反，yet this method taken as Useful is entirely in reverse order.
当鬼爻旺相的时候，when the Ghost line is in Wang Xiang,
反而代表病情不严重，Instead, it means that the condition is not serious,
鬼爻有生助， If the Ghost line has a helping hand,
反而代表医药有效；instead can represent  the effectiveness of a medicine;

Not necessarily so.  Look at Quiz 29- A person made a Divination for his Own illness, the person died not long after!  Ghost line produces SELF Line, and Ghost line is in Wang Xiang (Day) but it could not be a helping hand in this case.

Personal comment :
This method is not  all inclusive and needs further neccesary attention when in use..
But can support one's  judgment as a second look ..!!
Anyway can succesfuly support  7 of 10 cases...
The Judgement is yours

Yes I agree, further necessary attention!

[Tientai ✝️]

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[ren]

被 introduces a passive sentence  [that's a grammatical term]

Thanks Jlim. I find Grammar books somewhat difficult to understand sometimes. It is by seeing examples of every day usage (especially in the CM world)
which helps brings things into reality.

ren