Hi Mukailv,

Funny question...

From a practitioner point of view, his system will provide the appropriate results... Until he decides otherwise.

From the point of view of the chart owner, it does not matter. The chart owner really should expect to get the results that best reflects their life situation and provides actionable, usable information.

I may also suggest that just asking for a reading... for xyz... or consulting with a ZWDS / Bazi practitioners will give a different quality result.

That said, in general, it is always possible to get different results from different practitioners.

Hope this helps...

ren

Hi Rneotronik,

This is an interesting topic.

My understanding, a person’s Bazi chart is an imprint of their energetic potentials. It is imprinted at the time of birth. So for me, it is important to use the chart within the two-hour window of first breath. Additionally, the hour pillar can have a strong influence, when looking at the whole chart or when looking into specific aspects and interactions.

I agree with JY on certain aspects. I don’t believe the purpose of Bazi is to predict the future. In many cases, bazi can be used to explain past events and actions (as it related to a chart). And by verifying past events, we can verify that the chart matches the DM and the reader is interpreting the chart properly.

I also agree with JY, if your purpose is to use Bazi and other tools to provide life coaching, I do not think having an absolute hour may be required. We also have to understand within what context is JY talking about applying solar time correction. I don’t think he is specifically talking about bazi. I hear him stating within the realm of metaphysics science we work with affinity and synchronicity of the moment. This is especially true with divination methods (Yi Jing, QMDJ... ), you can use what the clock, sun, whatever says. But, I believe a person’s Bazi chart is like a person's DNA or genetic makeup. I would want to be fairly accurate with the calculated Bazi chart, just as I would read someone’s biological DNA. I don’t want my reading to be contaminated with bad data.

Yes, I think JY contradicts himself in places. Specifically, regarding what the ancient Fate and Divination practitioners did. The use of time zones and daylight saving adjustments are modern inventions. In 1884,United States railroad companies started to implement time zones to make predicting train arrivals times more reliable and accurate. In the United States, time zones became mandatory by law in 1918. Daylight Savings Time was not implemented on a large scale until the outbreak of WW1. So prior to the start of the 20th century, all time was local time based on the position of the sun. Doing solar time correction better helps us approximate local solar time vs. Centralized Standard Time.

So, I say, for interpreting Bazi charts use local solar time. For life coaching, divination, etc., you can use either, just be consistent.

Ren

Hi DragonCat,

Need to evaluate the whole chart. Trying to evaluate chart fragments is meaningless.

ren

To All,

Though we may have passed through most of the cold and flu season, viral respiratory issues are becoming a year round concern.

Here are a few articles that may prove beneficial.

https://www.heartandhandscommunity.ca/2020/09/acupressure-for-chest-clearing-lung-support/
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/354345946_Progress_in_Traditional_Chinese_Medicine_Against_Respiratory_Viruses_A_Review [PDF posted as an attachment]
The Five Element Lung and Kidney exercises I wanted to share are no longer on youtube. I compressed the Lung mp4 and attached, but the Kidney mp4 is too large.

Please share any additional info on these subjects.

Thanks,

Ren

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Hi Winter,

Each school, calculator designer, has their own method of calculating these charts and defining their usage.
If you wish to use these percentage calculation / methods, best to stick with one school / calculator and understand how they propose using their calculations. You may be a Hurting Officer structure to Joey Yap people, and you may be a Direct Resource structure to the 10 Gods Structure.png people; whatever they mean by “structure” or “profile”, etc.

Trying to pick and chose from different sources can be difficult and confusing. Start and stick with one method / teaching and get a baseline for how things work. Then you can look at others and get a feel for what works for you and what direction to better follow.

My understanding was the calculation methods were derived to help calculate the strength of each element in the chart and the (weighted) percentage ratios of the 10 gods, to make it easy to determine the so-called “Useful God”. I believe it was meant to make it easier to introduce people to Bazi and increase bazi's popularity. But it is my belief, knowing these percentages or what the useful god is, may be nice, but it does not help you understand what the chart wants to do and how the chart defines and benefits the DM. There is more “Stuff” involved.

Hope this helps,

Ren

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