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Offline throosden

How to continue the training?
« on: June 26, 2022, 07:28:15 PM »
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Offline throosden

Re: How to continue the training?
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Offline throosden

Re: How to continue the training?
« Reply #2 on: June 27, 2022, 11:13:51 AM »
* useful god is probably resource, which can be found as the invisible si
* is produced by its visible line yin, officer, but yin is clashed by shen day and is in void, not sure what is the effect of this
* changed line hai attacks this useful god si, not good
* also, without too much technical analysis, can see lots of water and earth elements, weakening fire. Fire in month branch though, but probably not enough to counter.

Fire and resource could represent a teaching, teacher or learning. But it is being neutralized by other elements in the hexagram.

* 2 sibling (earth) elements are strong in (wu) and hence can control wealth elements, including the self line.

Perhaps a warning to be careful when spending money on teachers and courses.

The above for me kinda confirms the general idea of 24 changing on line 3 to 36: idea of wanting to start anew but a warning to be careful, patient to not go towards bad things (again?).

I sped through Jack Chius book on WWG to see what the fuss is all about. Seems nice, though not sure if I'm gonna go deeper into it right now, might do later.
Probably, there is more to be found in this casting. If others can help correct the analysis or provide more details, always appreciated.

Also interesting: I casted this hexagram right before Joey Yaps event on YiJing divination. Even used his software for it. That software seems to have exactly one changing line. Not sure if that corrupts the casting process, but the hexagram seems to be indicative of the situation.

Offline Gmuli

Re: How to continue the training?
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Offline throosden

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Offline vadim

Re: How to continue the training?
« Reply #5 on: June 27, 2022, 07:55:15 PM »
Good evening! My interpretation is as follows: The line of parents fire is your subject of study. The fire hid on the tree line which is empty. This means that in the past you went to school, but now you don't. It may also mean that in the near future you will not go to some school to study your subject. The line of fire is in its prime, which may mean that in the future the fire in the development of the element will decrease. It's as if the sun has reached its zenith and its brightness will decrease. Perhaps this may mean a weakening of interest in your subject of study. If you choose between self-study and visiting, then self-study is more likely to be better, because the line of brothers controls you.

Offline throosden

Re: How to continue the training?
« Reply #6 on: June 27, 2022, 11:02:16 PM »
Hi Vadim, thanks for your analysis.

It's as if the sun has reached its zenith and its brightness will decrease. Perhaps this may mean a weakening of interest in your subject of study.

Wouldn't dare to think of that :D, but can never know what other stuff life brings off course.

Offline Sacrar

Re: How to continue the training?
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Offline Gmuli

Re: How to continue the training?
« Reply #8 on: June 28, 2022, 10:46:44 AM »
The problem with this and the reason people carefully use it, is because they can have many meanings.

Kun above Zhen changing to Li. Lets assume the asker is Zhen. That is not how its usually done, but to test the Lower Trigram as Self idea. Lets just use most popular Images and assume all will always be there.

We can say:

'The environment was stuck(Kun), but you had a great impulse to move forward, that impulse, however, will change to Li and just feed that environment instead of helping you.'

'Back at December(Hexagram shows december) you decided to start moving forward in the systems and Zhen changing to Li suggests you are now ready to support the environment(paying for course) to do it!'

'You wanted to guide your mothers path(kun restricted by Zhen), so you decided to learn systems, now as you move to fire in fire season you can finally do it!'

'In your house(Kun), you as the oldest son(Zhen) decided to learn the systems to support the household, now moving to Li that suggests happiness and expansion, but since environment is still more produced by you(Li producing Kun) it hasn't actually happened.'

Are they all true?
We can ask, but I can already tell you they won't be all true, because the Trigrams carry endless amounts of Images. Even if we are close this time, we can also say that:



'You bought a cow(Kun) and you want to get as much milk as possible in any ways(Zhen controlling Kun), now as you move to Li you felt bad for it and started being nicer to your cow(Li producing Kun) influenced by the Chinese Systems you learn during all this.'

Is this likely to be true?Its as valid as the rest as far as Images go...
Now lets assume he is Kun, as that is how its usually done(no changing lines trigram as Self).

'You haven't make much movement forward in the systems(Kun), while the environment is starting to move full of new ideas(Zhen), that will support you as it moves to fire Li and it will make learning much easier.'

'You are interested in the systems influenced by a land property you bought(Kun as Wealth), now the systems around didn't help you much in how to use it(Zhen controling Kun), but that will change and they will start to support it with new knowledge etc.'

I can go on and on and on... And if we decide all of them have all these meaning every single time we will soon discover that just isn't the case and none of us will be learning the systems if we can provide some of the Images and it will always fit.

So the idea is there, but you can't do it with intuition. You need to know the structure within the system so you know what of all these is actually present and what isn't. The rest may be there... May not be. But it will be very unreliable to use.

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Offline throosden

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Its probably for the best, as sometimes details come up as we spend more time focusing on it and I think the main idea may have been a little different.

Yeah. Still very interesting to see WWG analysis at work. Many thanks!

 

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