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This doubt really came from a real case. A girl asked if I would pass the exam to enter marketing studies. She got an H. 7

The Subject line of the hexagram is clashed by Month, but strengthened by the Day branch and at life stage is Di-wang (Career High).

But it turns out that this same hexagram on the date of examination which was 4 days later, the Subject line is still clashed by Month, but no longer supported by Day, plus Line is in Kong Wan (Void), and his life stage is Mu (Vault/Tomb). That is, on the date of the exam, when the event really will occur, for which we ask, the Subject's line will be in a worse status than on the day of casting (Clash, Vault and Kong wan)

Thank you for the reply JLim,

if in the future the hexagram obtained will be affected by a Day/Month/Year different from the Day of the casting
Which future hexagram, Sacrar?  You seem to be talking about another hexagram that you may possibly draw/cast in the future. But that is not relevant, because you have not drawn it. 

I meant that the hexagram obtained or drawn in a query, at a specific date in the future, when the event for which we ask will occur, the same hexagram will be under the influence of different month branch and day branch. In some way it is a "translation" or a projection of the future (just like it is done to look for auspicious moments in the future), we take the hexagram drawn in the present and subject it to the influence of the earthly branches that will be in force on the date in the future (when the event will occur)

An example will help you to understand it better. Let's imagine that we ask what it will be like to go to the Walt Disney theme park that we plan to do next year (we don't know yet what day/date it will be exactly). We get H. 43 drawn in Chen Month and Chen Day.

Let's take as Yong Shen the line of the Subject that comes with Offprings. The qi of the line of Yong shen that day is strong for Month and Day, as it is vitalized by Chen earth, and also bound/combines with the Day and Month (Liu He). Very auspicious, we think, will be great to go to Walt Disney park.

But it turns out that the day we finally go to Walt Disney (the day the event we had asked about happens) turns out to be a Day and Month Mao. We don't draw a new hexagram, we use the same hexagram.

Now it is the opposite of when the hexagram was drawed, because the qi of the line is Weak by Month and Day, because it is devitalized by Mao Day and Mao Month, and it is also broken (Po) by the opposition (Chong) of the Day and Month. Totally inauspicious.

then what is more important? the day the hexagram was drawn or the day the event will actually occur? The influence of the earthly branches when the hexagram was drawn or the influence of the earthly branches when the event occurs in the future?

I hope it's understood now, what I'm talking about...

Hi everyone.

There is one essential aspect of the WWG system that I do not understand. It is said that the casting date is one of the most important aspects. In Jack Chiu's book it says: "Since casting is to seize the revelation of the divine power in a particular day, so the day branch of the day of casting will have determining effect onto the Vulnerable as well as all of the lines in the hexagram." And in "The Gold Yarrows" book is said: "The day branch is the master of the 6 lines". (Note: The Vulnerables is Yong Shen).

I ask myself, what is the use of valuing all the forces of the Day/Month/Year effect of the casting (Sheng, Ke, Chong, He), besides aspects like a San He formed (with Day or Month), or Kong Wan, on the lines of the hexagram to value the auspicious or inauspicious, if in the future the hexagram obtained will be affected by a Day/Month/Year different from the Day of the casting???. On the day that the event occurs for which we ask, with a known date determined, the influence of Day/Month/Year will be different (different earthly branches), changing the interpretation quite a bit or completely.

For example, in a litigation, an exam, a wedding, a trip, a work interview, a date of a sports event...(any event where we have a specific calendar date established); they are events that we know will happen on a particular date, or a particular month, or a particular week of the calendar.  The day of the casting we have a wonderful setting or configuration (ex: Yong Shen is vitalized and in conjunction (He) with to Day and Month, besides we have a San He that generates the subject line, and it is not in Void) but it turns out that the day of the event happens the opposite (the Yong Shen is influenced by Ke, Chong, Month breaker, San He broken or not formed, Kong wan, etc...), that is to say, any negative aspect that changes the initial interpretation. The opposite could also happen, the case of a hexagram that is very negatively affected by the Day/Month/Year of the casting and, however, on the date of the event the influence of the Day/Month/Year will be very good.

Then, what is more important? The day of the casting or the period of time (or specific date) when the event will take place? How to deal with the contradictions of the effects of the casting day and the effects of the event day?

I hope I've made myself clear; the subject is a bit of a mess.
Greetings to all.

Liu Yao / Re: Gmuli Web Apps
« on: January 16, 2020, 08:04:21 PM »
@Gmuli  Please, Could you keep the alternative view of the old version of the calculator? I had gotten used to that view because it is clear, clean and pleasing to the eye, and it is easier to work on it to export it to doc/word document format. By alternative view I mean this one:

Although I really think that this was the main version and the one you left is the alternative version, the one a forum member likes, the one with a full pillar of day and month


Liu Yao / Yong Shen for psychological disorder
« on: January 09, 2020, 02:15:26 AM »
In matters of biological/physiological disease Official is the disease and Children/offspring is the cure.  Is it the same in the case of psychological disorders? Official is disorder and children psychological treatment or therapy?


« on: December 26, 2019, 11:13:37 PM »
While I very much agree with most of that, its probably interesting to mention that Officer line is made by the controling relation to the element of the Hexagram.
In that sense, if we consider Officer as "control images", then the line that is controlling the Self line will also have Officer Images on it but instead of doing that in relation to the situation it will do it in relation to the specific person.

Some years back we had members in the other forums that used it like that, the illness wasn't the initial Officer line, it was the line that controls the Self line. And it also seemed to work very well. : )

I have not understood very well what you are trying to say, could you support it with an example?

Liu Yao Case Studies / Re: Liu Yao and tumors
« on: December 20, 2019, 01:36:33 PM »
The day stem is Xin, so the void is different.
Nearest date with this combination was 11 September 2019, we can add that.

The hexagram drawn by Tientai and me has as its stem Xin, then the days in void are Yin and Mao. Both are correct.

Liu Yao Case Studies / Re: Liu Yao and tumors
« on: December 19, 2019, 10:54:50 PM »
Ok, this would be that...

Liu Yao Case Studies / Re: Liu Yao and tumors
« on: December 19, 2019, 07:31:48 PM »
Hi @tanpai  Month and day pillar? There are no lines of change?

Liu Yao / Re: Father'illness
« on: December 16, 2019, 02:40:52 PM »
Hi all,

For those of us who are not familiar with Chinese terminology, What do the following terms mean?:

- RiWei
- Chongyuan Haishui

Thanks you.

Liu Yao Case Studies / Re: Resell and get profit
« on: December 11, 2019, 12:40:40 AM »
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Hi Sacrar,

I'm curious - Which tablet did you buy?



Liu Yao Case Studies / Resell and get profit
« on: December 09, 2019, 07:42:49 PM »
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Here is my own take on the case:
1.  Yong Shen is 2nd line Chou, and not 4th line Wei.
2.  Chou as Wealth is in Void (Kong Wang)
3.  The wealth he's pursuing may be related to high-value or prestigious property, because Chou is
     - located on the 2nd line
     - it combines with Parent line. 
     - it comes with Qing Long (Dragon) and is strong by Month.

Interesting case as always...

Only one correction, second line comes with vermilion bird, not Qing Long. Money earned with verbal ability, I don't know what kind of business it can be ...


Liu Yao Case Studies / Re: Love triangle
« on: December 05, 2019, 01:03:15 AM »
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Yes, it's H. 59 Huan. The branches and six relative, seix animals, branches are correct in the plotted hexagram.

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