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Liu Yao/Wen Wang Gua Resources in non-Chinese languages
« on: March 05, 2019, 06:24:55 PM »
Lets try to look at some Liu Yao resources in English. While the system is slowly making its way to the west, its still in very, very early steps, so resources are few. However, even so, some of them are really good.

1. Jack Chiu "Secrets of Wen Wang Gua" book.
http://www.acmc.com.hk/Book011.aspx

For me this is probably the best book I have seen on the topic. It could be challenging for people not familiar with the Five Arts, however it has very detailed rules that for me seem to work very well(with few exceptions, but that is still much, much more then most of the other info).

2.The Clear-Cut I Ching or Wen Wang Gua for Beginners: Volume One - Master S.R.Chang
https://www.amazon.com/Clear-Cut-Ching-Wen-Wang-Beginners-ebook/dp/B008RH0LM0/
I liked the history part here, as I was wondering more about Fangs story and why it ended like that. Here there is more then enough info to get an idea about why.

3.Raymond Lo's I Ching Books.
http://www.raymond-lo.com/14524/books
While I haven't fully read any of them I started one in Russian. My Russian is really, really bad(and that is probably understatement), so it would be unfair to comment on it in depth. However, from what I have seen the rules seem similar to what I'm familiar with.
Although some nicer examples would have been appreciated, dying miners and murders all around there make it somewhat too grim.

4.I Ching - Wisdom Revealed (Book of Changes) by Vincent Koh
https://www.amazon.com/Ching-Revealed-Changes-Academic-interpretation/dp/9812295968/
 I like Kohs approach in his Feng Shui book and in his BaZi book he had some tables that I haven't seen in other books, like Month Commander for example. This I Ching book I haven't read, have seen a few times people to mention about it that its very good for people that are just starting with the system.

Moving on from books, there are a few correspondence courses out there.

Another very interesting source is Alex Chiu's Super I Ching site.
http://superiching.com/
A problem there is that he is using his own naming ways for the branches/stems, so at start may seem like its a whole another thing. It isn't really, just the names are different.
However, when it comes to rules, I have problems with some rules there, especially around Void.

Joseph Yus WWG Course.
I did like some of the info there, good to mention that he is basing the relations(Officer/Sibling etc.) of the second Hexagram to the element/house of the second Hexagram.
So far all mentioned before are basing it on first one, potentially giving very different lines to read.




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Re: Liu Yao/Wen Wang Gua Resources in non-Chinese languages
« Reply #2 on: March 09, 2019, 06:06:55 AM »
Thank you all for the resources.  :)  I have set this topic sticky.

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Re: Liu Yao/Wen Wang Gua Resources in non-Chinese languages
« Reply #3 on: March 09, 2019, 09:14:05 AM »
Dear @ren ..

Very interesting your all informations about Wen Wang Gua  (or Liu Yao Yi Gua) in western world ..

Dear @Gmuli .. hi

Thank you too.. for your mention on all these authors on Wenwanggua .... !!
.. I want to say all have made typo mistakes inside their books or courses .. not only Alex Chiu..
I have read all of them but still Alex's is much meaningful by far ...
Anyway this is my personal view and opinion  ..!!

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Re: Liu Yao/Wen Wang Gua Resources in non-Chinese languages
« Reply #4 on: April 30, 2020, 02:33:54 PM »
Good afternoon,
Delighted to participate with you.

I provide a resource in Spanish, related to the study of Wen Wang Gua. In it he develops the reading Nalta and the consultations. This book is written by Maite Foulquié; Shú-Yuán Chén (2015) I Ching Jing Fáng I. The March Hare.

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Re: Liu Yao/Wen Wang Gua Resources in non-Chinese languages
« Reply #5 on: April 30, 2020, 11:50:54 PM »
@tretfcan  hi .. good welcome to our forum ...
Please can you provide more informations on this book ..?
any example and explanation on a case ..?
As I have seen it uses Lunar calendar ... is it true ?
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« Reply #6 on: May 01, 2020, 02:35:31 AM »
@tretfcan  hi .. good welcome to our forum ...
Please can you provide more informations on this book ..?
any example and explanation on a case ..?
As I have seen it uses Lunar calendar ... is it true ?
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Hi Tientai,

I have the book.  Right, she advises using Chinese lunar calendar and adjusting to Chinese time. Personally I prefer true solar time on the recommendation of those experts who know the matter, but I do not know precision differences between one system and another.

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Re: Liu Yao/Wen Wang Gua Resources in non-Chinese languages
« Reply #7 on: May 01, 2020, 02:51:35 PM »
We must aware that Wenwanggua is principal naming of an ancient divination art ...
Next of it there are many sects that run parallel to this art ...
Many of them are under the umbrella of the name Liu Yao Yi Gua .. (Six lines on Yi Hexagrams  ).
They are slightly differ from Ancient form .. still are useful and accurate from their representative master's ...!!
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Re: Liu Yao/Wen Wang Gua Resources in non-Chinese languages
« Reply #8 on: May 02, 2020, 11:28:03 AM »
Sorry for being late to answer.
The book is developed in parts, in my understanding well organized; the parts are divided into an initial introduction to the elements of the luni-solar calendar, basic principles regarding elements, some Chinese astrology, trigrams and hexagrams. A section goes fully into the intrinsic concepts related to Liu Yao and later to the exogenous parameters.
As practical spinning elements, it develops the natal reading through the date and WWG and ends with the consultation section with WWG.
As for the schedule, adapt the schedule to the time of the Beijing time, to obtain the stem and branches of the day in the consultation, for the natal chart take the corresponding number referring to the Lunar calendar.
I hope to provide you with a scarce Spanish-speaking resource.

A cordial greeting.

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Re: Liu Yao/Wen Wang Gua Resources in non-Chinese languages
« Reply #9 on: May 02, 2020, 12:18:07 PM »
the parts are divided into an initial introduction to the elements of the luni-solar calendar, basic principles regarding elements, some Chinese astrology, trigrams and hexagrams. A section goes fully into the intrinsic concepts related to Liu Yao and later to the exogenous parameters.
As practical spinning elements, it develops the natal reading through the date and WWG and ends with the consultation section with WWG.

Thank you for your kind sharing with us dear @tretfcan  ...
BTW what you mean .. exogenous parameters  ?
Please  can you demonstrate a case example  (with natal hexagram ) ?
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« Reply #10 on: May 02, 2020, 12:25:42 PM »
The exogenous parameters refer to non-fixed elements, which change such as the date of the day, celestial animals, empty branches.

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Re: Liu Yao/Wen Wang Gua Resources in non-Chinese languages
« Reply #11 on: May 02, 2020, 12:32:46 PM »
The exogenous parameters refer to non-fixed elements, which change such as the date of the day, celestial animals, empty branches.

Natal Hexagrams are calculating just as energy master website is pointing out ?
http://www.energy-master.com/
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Re: Liu Yao/Wen Wang Gua Resources in non-Chinese languages
« Reply #12 on: May 02, 2020, 07:09:51 PM »
In it, the author Shu Yuan Chen, takes the number of the lunar month and day to derive a Hexagráma. Through this it composes J and O, assembles the branches and relatives ... as proper parameters of the hexagram.
Hi, @tretfcan...
Let's make an example ...'
Current Year is 4718 Geng Zi 
Today is 4th lunar month ( Xin Si ). .
And 10th lunar day ( Yi Si )..
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What is the natal Hexagram ? ..
Thanks anyway ..


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Re: Liu Yao/Wen Wang Gua Resources in non-Chinese languages
« Reply #13 on: May 03, 2020, 11:22:30 AM »
Good morning, it looks like a test.
Applying the system, writing down the date that you have provided, results in the birth hexagram number 17. This data comes through the month and day of birth.

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Re: Liu Yao/Wen Wang Gua Resources in non-Chinese languages
« Reply #14 on: May 05, 2020, 10:42:27 PM »
Good morning, it looks like a test.
Applying the system, writing down the date that you have provided, results in the birth hexagram number 17. This data comes through the month and day of birth.

Hi, @tretfcan..
Interesting natal Hexagram indeed but with a General overview of someone's life..!!
I wonder if this Hexagram has something to do with textual Yijing on reading one's life...!!
Moving line I Guess calculate with hour branches.. by adjustment to Beijing local time ...
The best part i think is divination by coins and creating an Hexagram that is directed to solve current mischances ...
Question is if hand made Hexagram (by coins) is combined or conjoined somehow with natal one .. and how ..
BTW .. I don't test you ..!!
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« Last Edit: May 05, 2020, 11:11:49 PM by Tientai »

 

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