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Library => Liu Yao => Liu Yao Case Studies => Topic started by: Sacrar on August 07, 2020, 08:30:09 PM
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Champions League- Manchester City Vs Real Madrid
(https://i.postimg.cc/rm73gsmC/Match.png) (https://postimg.cc/BLcmnq2X)
Self=Manchester City (Host)
Other = Real Madrid (Visitor)
Who will win?
Match starts at 9 p.m. (UTC +2)
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Champions League- Manchester City Vs Real Madridhttp://http//i.postimg.cc/rm73gsmC/Match.png[/img] (https://postimg./BLcmnq2X[img)
Self=Manchester City (Host)
Other = Real Madrid (Visitor)
Who will win?
Match starts at 9 p.m. (UTC +2)
@Sacrar .. hi ..
I Guess will be a very " strange " game .. !!
Don't bet please ...
I think will be a draw game ..!!
2nd choice is Manchester has the preponderance over the game ..!!
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Other possibilities :
Many goals from both teams
If the game is draw then 2-2
If Manchester going to win then the score could be 2-1 / 3-2
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The winner is not clear, but the day of Wu I think will be mortal for You (Other).
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Upper Kun Gua having Other star is opposit to Ken mountain changed .. this nullifies The possibility for upper gua's team to win ..!!
I don't understand this part. The Others line opposes the change of the upper trigram from kun to Ken? how is that possible?
Look to my main Hexagram 24 Fu Return ...
Upper trigram is KUN earth
Produced Hexagram is 27 I The corners of a mouth ..
Upper trigram is KEN mountain ..
From later heaven sequence KUN and KEN are opposed each other ... the is called "伏吟 Fu Yin in regard of trigrams (not the changing lines) " (Joseph Yu's writing ..)
(http://fivearts.org/fileserver/images/2020/08/08/shou_kua_fig2.jpg)
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Interesting Tientai what you've shared, I must review it carefully.
In order not to create other threads, let me put this other query about the same thing here.
Barcelona Vs Napoli. Who will win?
(https://i.postimg.cc/SscmbNdy/champion.png) (https://postimg.cc/bDY7QP4M)
Lately I only get static hexagrams. God seems to want me to experiment with them.
Self=Barcelona
Other= Napoli
Local Hour: 21 PM. (between Xu and Hai hour)
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Barcelona winner
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Barcelona winner
Result 3:1
You saw it more clearly. I couldn't have bet on Barcelona as winner.
Only by the relation of five elements:
- Self is only strong by Month, because is overcome by the Wei day.
- Other is strong and supported by Month and Day and dominates Self (earth dominates water).
- The Day should have more influence than the Month.
The alternative explanation is that Others is being clashed by Chou Offspring in the first line, but paradoxically this Chou in first line damages also Self Hai water.
You metal Wealth hidden movement because of the strength of both Month and Day to support Hai Officer???
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The game was made mostly on Hai water element ...
Self Officer is always protected and reinforced by the same element Hour Hai ...
Day branch Wei share the same image with 5th line and clash with 1st Chou line (secret move )
1st lines secret move clashes 5th Other wei line but again this line is "protected" by the day but suffer from a clash ..
1st lines secret move is issuficient to hurt 2nd Self line due to reinforcement of hour element water ..
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By a simple look :
Officer = winner
Child = loser
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The game was made mostly on Hai water element ...
Self Officer is always protected and reinforced by the same element Hour Hai ...
Day branch Wei share the same image with 5th line and clash with 1st Chou line (secret move )
1st lines secret move clashes 5th Other wei line but again this line is "protected" by the day but suffer from a clash ..
1st lines secret move is issuficient to hurt 2nd Self line due to reinforcement of hour element water ..
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By a simple look :
Officer = winner
Child = loser
It's possible, although there are some inconsistencies:
- If we look at real solar time (I usually use true solar time) the match was played exclusively in Xu earth time, so it would favour the line of Others
- If the line of Others is protected by Wei Day even Xu hour, the clashed of Chou from the first line would have little effect.
- I know that Alex Chiu uses Officer as a winner and Child as a loser, it is possible, but nevertheless in my mental frame I don't usually use it, but rather as Child (defender), Officer (attacker), as Jack Chiu explains it.
- Other times when this framework is not possible, as in this case, since Officer (attacker) is in the line of the host team and Child (defender) in the line of Others (visitor), I usually base more on the relationship of the five elements.
I don't know, just learning. I'll file this query in the doubtful queries folder :)
Thank you for your participation and insights.
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Hi @Sacrar ..
Two observations ...
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- Other is strong and supported by Month and Day and dominates Self (earth dominates water).
Other Wei earth isn't strong by month Shen .. rather weaken by month.
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If we look at real solar time (I usually use true solar time) the match was played exclusively in Xu earth time, so it would favour the line of OthersIf the line of Others is protected by Wei Day even Xu hour, the clashed of Chou from the first line would have little effect.
.. to be exact
Barcelona vs Napoli
Local Hour: 21 PM.
Subtract 1 hour due to DST (Daylight Saving Time) ..
Hour is 20 : 00 PM
19 - 21 PM is for Xu branch so first half time of the game is covered by Xu earth
21 - 23 PM is for Hai branch so second half time of the game is covered by Hai water ..
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I'm sorry Tientai, maybe my message was misleading. That's local time (21 PM), converted to true solar time is two hours behind. I set the end time of the game, as you see it's still Xu earth time.
(https://i.postimg.cc/zGmZbMZn/Anotaci-n-2020-08-10-122045.png) (https://postimages.org/)
On true solar time vs local time, some have achieved better results on WWG with local time, others with true solar time. I think it fits the framework of reference of whoever enquires, if you think true solar time is more accurate then it will be, if you think local time is more accurate then it will be.
Hi @Sacrar ..
Two observations ...
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- Other is strong and supported by Month and Day and dominates Self (earth dominates water).
Other Wei earth isn't strong by month Shen .. rather weaken by month.
You're right it's only strong by Wei Day, it was a mistake to look at the date pillar. That's why I said the Day is supposed to be more powerful than the Month, especially for short-term events.
Today to other matches (champions league), it will be interesting to keep experimenting.
Regards.
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That's why I said the Day is supposed to be more powerful than the Month, especially for short-term events.
From my part and how I take the month on team contests .. I correlate with an athlete...(on month weakening ) he is a very good athlete but feels exhausted some days before.. but he tries hard to achieve his target .. (day support ).. ok will he make it ?? .. .. that's a question .!!!.
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Just taking the influence of the Day and the Month, as usual:
- Do you agree with me that Other Wei earth is at Rest (Xiu) by Month and Strong by Day (wang), and that instead Self Hai water is in Associated phase (Xiang) by Month and Death phase (Si) by Day... globally who is stronger?
- Wei earth Other dominates Hai water Self
- The hexagram is static, just a moving line hidden in the first line that clashed Other but at the same time devitalize/overcome Self.
- It's obvious that something doesn't fit.
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Barcelona sits on the R line (Alex Chiu's terminology). R means you've got something. It is also the green line; the most auspicious color.
Napoli sits on the K line (kid to Alex, child for others). K means you got nothing.
Barcelona wins.
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Barcelona sits on the R line (Alex Chiu's terminology). R means you've got something. It is also the green line; the most auspicious color.
Napoli sits on the K line (kid to Alex, child for others). K means you got nothing.
Barcelona wins.
Hi, @sleepyfreud .. good welcome to our forum ...
I was mention on this by a recent thread .. indeed Officer or R according to Alex Chiu means == You have got something -- but there is a problem on team contests !!
A team with a draw resault could be feel safe taking account of the score and not of winning resault..!! Particularly on champions league contests !!
The only safe star is Wealth or G == Gain ... if found on a team is favoured. ..
Thanks anyway for participation ..
Tt.
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I don't follow this case, but welcome to the forum, sleepyfreud!
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@Tientai in another post found this observation of yours very interesting. This is the thread: https://fivearts.org/index.php?topic=1012.0
Dear gmuli hi .
I don't think all lines are moving on this clash type hexagram ..
The possibility of " movement " in an nonmoving hexagram comes only from the clash by the day branch ..(secret moving line )
Another influence that can make a tedency of movement of an unmoving line is if this line is in Wang or Xiang stage by the Month and day ..!!
But this is for an anmoving hexagram only ..!!!
Just put my thoughts ....
So in this case, being a static hexagram, could You metal Wealth be moving in third or fourth line to support Self (Barcelona)? It is notorious that there is not only one You metal Wealth but 2! And You Wealth is strong for Month and Day. It draws attention.
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@Tientai in another post found this observation of yours very interesting. This is the thread: https://fivearts.org/index.php?topic=1012.0
Dear gmuli hi .
I don't think all lines are moving on this clash type hexagram ..
The possibility of " movement " in an nonmoving hexagram comes only from the clash by the day branch ..(secret moving line )
Another influence that can make a tedency of movement of an unmoving line is if this line is in Wang or Xiang stage by the Month and day ..!!
But this is for an anmoving hexagram only ..!!!
Just put my thoughts ....
So in this case, being a static hexagram, could You metal Wealth be moving in third or fourth line to support Self (Barcelona)? It is notorious that there is not only one You metal Wealth but 2! And You Wealth is strong for Month and Day. It draws attention.
Hi @Sacrar ..
Yes this kind of "movement" could happen .. but in a form of influence ..
I don't think this is the same with "secret movement"...
There is a referance on Wild Cranes Oldman book about it ...
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六爻安靜，旺相之爻，可以生得休囚之爻，亦可以剋得休囚之爻。
All six lines are quiet [unmoving], when a line is on flourish phase [Wang], is
capable to produce [Sheng] or inhibit [Ke] other (quiet) lines that are in Rest [Xiu] or
Prison [Qiu].
蓋旺相者，如有力之人也。
About flourishing phase [Wang], is also a resemblance of a Powerful [Vigorous]
person.( ready to help or hurt )
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This was a good factor of Barcelona's Win
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yeah, this trend of movement or influence would fit even with the time of the match. You metal Wealth would be in phase Wang by Month, Xiang by Day, and Xiang by Xu Hour.