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General discussions => FREE Divination Request => Topic started by: andponomarev on May 10, 2021, 10:45:54 PM
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Hi,
I've just started practicing Weng Wang Gua, so I would like you to help me guys. This is a simple question I asked tomorrow for me to quickly see and check how it works. The question (asked yesterday) was: will my meeting (walk) with a girlfriend tomorrow be successfull? The idea behind this question is whether I'll have positive or negative vibes. That's what I got:
(https://i.ibb.co/cDC5bj3/iching1.png) (https://ibb.co/t8xfZ9K)
Could you give me your ideas on how to decipher this, please?
At this moment I see that my Self (Asset) line is moving, which is good. However it's void, which is bad.
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The hexagram is a match changing to another match. (Alex Chiu's terminology).
In both hexagrams, all the lines combine - 1 and 4, 2 and 5, 3 and 6.
Hexagram 24 - Zi-chou, yin-hai, wei-wu.
Hexagrma 16 wei-wu, si-shen, mao-xu.
Vibes are good.
It is true, your element zi (water) is weak in si (fire) day. So maybe a little advice from Frank Sinatra is in order
Let's take it nice and easy
It's gonna be so easy
For us to fall in love
Hey, baby, what's your hurry?
Relax and don't you worry
We're gonna fall in love
We're on the road to romance
That's safe to say
But let's make all the stops along the way
The problem now of course is
To simply hold your horses
To rush would be a crime
'Cause nice and easy does it every time
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Interesting... Was it postponed?Or she had to leave very early?
Its difficult to read it in advance as we don't know where you set her, but its curious how it went for learning purposes.
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The hexagram is a match changing to another match. (Alex Chiu's terminology).
In both hexagrams, all the lines combine - 1 and 4, 2 and 5, 3 and 6.
Vibes are good.
It is true, your element zi (water) is weak in si (fire) day. So maybe a little advice from Frank Sinatra is in order
Thank you for your reply! The first question is: could you explain me a "match changing to another match" thing, please? I was unable to find it in Alex Chiu's book. Could you probably give me a chapter name, please?
Second: OK, so we have: a) moving line (+); b) matching hexagram (+); c) weak element.
How can I determine strength of first two points? I mean, that the element weakness might be so bad that even first two things won't make a positive end of the event coming.
Interesting... Was it postponed?Or she had to leave very early?
No. I have established relationship with this gf, and my question was whether I will get a joy of this walk. I mean, girls sometimes can make you bad when talking about things you don't like. I was asking about the overall result of the event.
Its difficult to read it in advance as we don't know where you set her, but its curious how it went for learning purposes.
Sorry, I didn't really get it. Why is it difficult to read this hexagram? Yeah, I'll tell you the result, I just don't want it to spoil my learning process. The event itself happenned yesterday, the cast had been two days earlier.
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Imagine she was your boss.
Would you look for her on Officer line or on Asset line(potential girlfriend)?
What if she was also a class mate you spend many years with in school when younger.
Will she be on Sibling as well?
Or on Other line?
What do you think will decide where she will be?
Obviously, we can't read it if we do not know where she is, unless there is some events that we can connect with most possible position she could be in.
Sadly, there are some reasons now that we must write in most "questioning" way and less "reading" way. I'm fine with that, at least we know what we were suppose to ask.
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Oh, thanks for clarifying. Sorry for the confusion, I wrote "girlfriend" in my initial message, and I thought it was clear that she's a girlfriend. So, answering your question: she's an "established" girlfriend already I've been having relationship for a few months. And I would look for the "Wife / Wealth" line for her in my hexagram.
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That line is clashed by both day and month and is also on black tortoise.
Up to you how you would read that, but I doubt she will have a good time. : )
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That line is clashed by both day and month and is also on black tortoise.
Up to you how you would read that, but I doubt she will have a good time. : )
OK, my particular question was not about our relationship in general, but about the next day I had an appointment with her. I will of course share my thoughts about how it happenned, I just don't want to spoil it earlier in any way, because it's very interesting for me to listen to your thoughts in order to understand how to do proper WWG divination.
So, based on what I currently see:
a) My Subject line (this is me myself if I understand correctly) is the Focus of Spirit (Asset / Wealth) which is good
b) My Subject line is moving which is good
c) My Subject line is in VOID which is bad
d) Both hexagrams are combo ones which is good
e) The Object line (my girlfriend) is not Asset, which is bad
f) The Object line is moving, which is good
g) The Object line is in void, which is bad.
That line is clashed by both day and month and is also on black tortoise.
Up to you how you would read that, but I doubt she will have a good time. : )
Now to your last reply: yeah, the 5th Asset line is clashed by Day. But do we have to look at this line, considering that this is NOT the Object line? And sorry, what is the relationship between Tortoise and this line? Briefly of course, just could you give me a correct section for me to look for it?
Thank you very much Gmuli!
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I'm not sure where we have the animals with nice explanations. I have some memory of tientai making good translation of some classic about them, but I can't see it here, could be in the other place. They are in most books on the topic and its very similar explanation.
AK has nice images of them, but I'm not sure if they are in the book or the youtube video material.
Overall Tortoise is all connected to water element + something hidden and not entirely right.
Why line on tortoise that may be connected to the question and is very weak and broken by day and month matter...
Think of what you are asking here. That is similar to asking someone "how will the walk tomorrow go?", they tell you "well, your girlfriend will be as miserable as i have words to express" and you start to wonder, "but how is that connected to my walk with her?".
There has to be some connection, since we already cleared out she didn't ran out of there at the first chance. Either that or she isn't on asset, or there is other problem going on.
In any case, usually should move on after first wrong guess when we are doing the guessing thing, so since the walk with her actually went and she stayed in it, this isn't really for me.
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The idea behind this question is whether I'll have positive or negative vibes. That's what I got:
What is your definition of positive or negative vibes?
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Think of what you are asking here. That is similar to asking someone "how will the walk tomorrow go?", they tell you "well, your girlfriend will be as miserable as i have words to express" and you start to wonder, "but how is that connected to my walk with her?".
OK, thanks for the clarification. Now I understand that my question wasn't very clear. Well... The result of my walk would be my MOOD. The thing I don't really *LOVE* this girl, I'm just passionate about her, so quite often she complains about it. And that's what I was asking about: what would be my mood at the end of the day? Would I regret about this walk and rather stay home, or it would be more or less okay.
As you understand, I'm just doing this for my WWG practice, and I'm just a newbie here, so I make errors with non-specific questions like this, however in my opinion I would be able to get an answer to my question.
There has to be some connection, since we already cleared out she didn't ran out of there at the first chance. Either that or she isn't on asset, or there is other problem going on. In any case, usually should move on after first wrong guess when we are doing the guessing thing, so since the walk with her actually went and she stayed in it, this isn't really for me.
OK, I've explained the connection with her above. Sorry, but I didn't really understand why this "is not really for you". I'm sorry if I offended you somehow, there was no intention at all. So, let me tell you how the walk went: at first she started talking about our realtionship. And she was saying things that made me depressed. I wanted this walk to be fun and easy, but it wasn't. But the end of the day was good: we went to a cheap Chinese restaurant where I didn't spend much, and I got good emotions when she lay on my shoulder and combed my hair.
So, in my opinion this walk was quite bad for her, and for me it was mixed, like 65% BAD and 35% GOOD.
What is your definition of positive or negative vibes?
My mood at the end of the day. Gentlemen, if possible, and you have time, I would kindly appreciate if you look at my algorithm deciphering hexagram I've outlined above. Could you tell me a few things whether it's right or wrong? Thanks.
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OK, I've explained the connection with her above. Sorry, but I didn't really understand why this "is not really for you". I'm sorry if I offended you somehow, there was no intention at all.
Its all good, but there is that idea that we read guessing how you think about the situation(what will be where, how it will work etc.)
And for that to work we have to think in a similar way. So I ask some stuff, if it doesn't fit to reality then the way you made the hex doesn't fit to how I would think about it, so no point going more into it, its very likely it will happen again in the next step.
In general, its suitability, we guess - if the guess isn't right no point going into details about it. No one is offended, just a suitability thing on how we make the hex.
About the reading, I guess you can use something like that, although it seems too complex and there are much easier ways to measure that.
Also the "good/bad" part can be misleading, even if you stack 50 goods/bads I'm not sure you will arrive at a detailed answer to anything. But for % I guess it can work, so overall I don't know I don't use that and I think its too complex for what you are using it for, yet I can't provide easier way for variety of reasons, so I guess it could work?
Its a little like the good old examples of using a computer to hammer a nail. It could work, its not made for that, it would be uncomfortable and may brake something on the way. Could do the job, but also has so much more potential it would be difficult to describe in the situation. But it could work I guess,depending how you make the good/bad rules.
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Its a little like the good old examples of using a computer to hammer a nail. It could work, its not made for that, it would be uncomfortable and may brake something on the way. Could do the job, but also has so much more potential it would be difficult to describe in the situation. But it could work I guess,depending how you make the good/bad rules.
Exactly, but I'm just a newbie here, so I decided to use my daily routine as simple material for WWG divination, because I want to learn, and IMHO such small examples are excellent to learn WWG at my starting level. For instance, I've given my algo above. Is it right? Is it wrong? Is something missing? Or maybe this forum isn't intended for such things, I don't know, really. I don't to offend anyone, I'm just seeking for help, because WWG is a complex thing, and I learn it by books. If that's a wrong place for seeking help - please let me know. Because I would like to see someone skilled like you, Gmuli, analyze my hex. You may interpret it as you wish, but at least you will go through all the algorithm, and I would make sure that I don't forget anything.
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I can't, too much of my current way of reading is from sources that aren't in the open.
The Monk can help, although I'm guessing there is a limit to what there can be in the open as well...
Other members can provide what they are using, it can help a lot from the point you are currently in. With the styles in the classic texts and what is in the open you can make a style that can read most questions, there will always be something missing and it won't be as accurate as you may want it to be, but it will work.
AK is also an option the book is very affordable and as I mention I can recommend his course, even though I'm not technically on it, I wouldn't do it if I didn't knew its worth it.
There are other sources as well. In my humble opinion the 2 sources that are worth learning from at this point would be The Monk and A.K.
Both won't provide all they know freely in the open, I would guess, but if I were you I would try to get what I can from The Monk while you have the chance. : )
As far as me go, I would recommend to try to move away from the polarity view(good/bad) and try to view it as s description of a situation. What is going on, how its changing, what is it turning to. The question for real life event is awesome way to learn, we used it many years, that isn't the problem, but if you are only looking for good and bad, this isn't the best way and even if it was, the system offers much more then that.
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I can't, too much of my current way of reading is from sources that aren't in the open.
The Monk can help, although I'm guessing there is a limit to what there can be in the open as well...
Oh, that's a mystery. If I may ask - is that a hidden knowledge of WWG, or something very different, like other form of divination?
Other members can provide what they are using, it can help a lot from the point you are currently in. With the styles in the classic texts and what is in the open you can make a style that can read most questions, there will always be something missing and it won't be as accurate as you may want it to be, but it will work.
I guess it was The Monk who wrote that divination is 50% mathematics, and 50% art. I want to learn basics (math) first. That's why I would like to have a working algo.
There are other sources as well. In my humble opinion the 2 sources that are worth learning from at this point would be The Monk and A.K.
Both won't provide all they know freely in the open, I would guess, but if I were you I would try to get what I can from The Monk while you have the chance. : )
I'm sorry, but what do you mean by getting from The Monk? Does he provide courses / sell books / courses, or I can ask him in the forum?
As far as me go, I would recommend to try to move away from the polarity view(good/bad) and try to view it as s description of a situation. What is going on, how its changing, what is it turning to. The question for real life event is awesome way to learn, we used it many years, that isn't the problem, but if you are only looking for good and bad, this isn't the best way and even if it was, the system offers much more then that.
Thanks, that's a good point of view. The polar (yes/no) questions just seemed easy for me to start with, that's the only reason I've chosen it over other ones.
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Thank you for your reply! The first question is: could you explain me a "match changing to another match" thing, please? I was unable to find it in Alex Chiu's book. Could you probably give me a chapter name, please?
It is in the chapter of 6 Strike, 6 Match.
Like all newbies, I tried to apply logic. If a six match is good, match turning into another match, after a moving line, must be doubly good. But, as in all of the Five Arts, experience trumps (sorry, not that word) experience outperforms logic.
I found Alex's comment on a double match, at the bottom of his chapter:
Most amateurs would become so happy if both of their hexagrams are 6 match (double 6 match). But based on my experience, if the 1st hexagram got nothing but the 2nd hexagram is a 6 match, things will most likely happen. Most of the time, things will not happen if you got a double 6 match. If your 1st hexagram is a 6 strike, but your 2nd hexagram is a 6 match, you also have more chance of a success. A 6 strike turning into a 6 match means first hardship, then success. 6 strike turning into 6 match could also mean that things will happen much later than you expected.
You tossed the coins just to ask if the walk would be good? Or is there an unstated question? Were you planning to drop down to one knee and offer her the ring? Or did you come from a fight and were taking a walk to clear the air?
Please, I am not asking for an answer. Those are private matters. But those are the types of questions I will toss a coin for, in regard to a girl. Tossing to ask if I will enjoy the walk or not seems (to me), to be a trifling matter that would not require divination. I would rather gamble, just throw myself to the moment, and see where it will take me.
So what, if I get an accurate answer? Will I postpone the walk if the coins said vibes are horribly bad? No. I would still go, and gamble, because it is time with my lady love. But if the question were about offering the ring, maybe the coins might say, empty day, maybe try at another day. Zi was empty, so would be filled on zi day. So I might offer the ring on Sunday, zi day.
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I'm sorry, but what do you mean by getting from The Monk? Does he provide courses / sell books / courses, or I can ask him in the forum?
I meant reply 9 (https://fivearts.org/index.php?topic=1254.msg10097#msg10097) in this topic and developing on that if all involved have interest in that. : )
Other then that we have much material in all forums. I have to say that we didn't knew how much more there is, that was one of the important questions near the end. I could see the system wasn't working great, so how much was missing, was it a few important rules, or was it a mountain of knowledge coming with entirely different point of view to it all?
Turned out it was closer to the second approach.
Oh, that's a mystery. If I may ask - is that a hidden knowledge of WWG, or something very different, like other form of divination?
It's connected to AK school, there is a reason I keep recommending his course, I think with time it will become clear why.
You can't see me recommending too much material through the years. I think 7 years and 4-5 books and one course recommendation so far, all with some reservation, yet still worth it. I don't have any reservation this time around, if someone is interested in WWG, there is much to learn in AK course and that is understatement.
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It is in the chapter of 6 Strike, 6 Match.
Thanks, now I see what you're talking about.
You tossed the coins just to ask if the walk would be good? Or is there an unstated question? Were you planning to drop down to one knee and offer her the ring? Or did you come from a fight and were taking a walk to clear the air?
Yes, I tossed the coins just to ask if the walk would be good. No, I didn't plan to drop down to one knee, this was just a material for my WWG practice.
Please, I am not asking for an answer. Those are private matters. But those are the types of questions I will toss a coin for, in regard to a girl. Tossing to ask if I will enjoy the walk or not seems (to me), to be a trifling matter that would not require divination. I would rather gamble, just throw myself to the moment, and see where it will take me.
No problem at all, I'm wide open and honest here, as I want to practice WWG very much, and currently seeking for help, so I can answer all the questions arisen.
So what, if I get an accurate answer? Will I postpone the walk if the coins said vibes are horribly bad? No. I would still go, and gamble, because it is time with my lady love. But if the question were about offering the ring, maybe the coins might say, empty day, maybe try at another day. Zi was empty, so would be filled on zi day. So I might offer the ring on Sunday, zi day.
Well, my current purpose of WWG dvination is future prediction, and consequently saving my resources. So if I were a Master of this art, I would of course rely on results of my divination if I wanted to. In other words: we all make choices every day. To go left or right. Sometimes those choices are hard to make due to lack of information, instability, etc,etc,etc. I would like help of WWG in such matters, but I need to master it first on such simple cases. And that's why I make a divination, and then check how it goes, compare results, and gain my divination experience. NOt sure if i do it right, but that's the best I can do at the moment.
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Other then that we have much material in all forums. I have to say that we didn't knew how much more there is, that was one of the important questions near the end. I could see the system wasn't working great, so how much was missing, was it a few important rules, or was it a mountain of knowledge coming with entirely different point of view to it all?
Turned out it was closer to the second approach.
So, if I understood you correctly: you came across that based on your previous knowledge (from open resources), WWG divination didn't work well sometimes, and you found out that there's a mountain of knowledge coming from, say, hidden resources. Right?
You can't see me recommending too much material through the years. I think 7 years and 4-5 books and one course recommendation so far, all with some reservation, yet still worth it. I don't have any reservation this time around, if someone is interested in WWG, there is much to learn in AK course and that is understatement.
Yes, I use Vincent Koh's book, and Alex CHiu's web site that you mentioned in this post: https://fivearts.org/index.php?topic=687.0 (https://fivearts.org/index.php?topic=687.0) Thanks a lot. Will try to save and purchase AK course then.
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Right?
Yea. There is a lot more, its not just about the rules, our rules were almost there but it could have never worked out perfectly, as there was something much more important missing. And that is a way to view the system, its different then how we approached it. And it can't be explained in forum posts, it needs more info, I tried to explain some ideas that were already in the open of it here, but I get the impression no one got it from what we posted.
Anyway, I'm focusing too much on AK lately, but I have good reason to. However, its Jlims forum, so will stop mentioning it at least for some time. : )
(not that anyone have complained here, but people did in other places, and I get that, but I'm doing it with good intentions I do believe the course will help people, at least if they manage to understand what is in it).