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Library => Bazi => Topic started by: JohnChoong on February 19, 2023, 05:54:09 PM
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Dear everyone,
Please allow me to present the following analysis. I am working to apply what I learn in Mang Pai method and to gradually build up my analysis. I hope those who know can provide me with some pointers
Please pardon my haphazard writing. I am trying to put down as much of what I see in the chart based on Mang Pai approach.
DM Current LP Current AP
Bing Ren Yi Gui Ding Gui
Chen Chen Wei Wei You Mao
How is this person's wealth career for the current year (Gui Mao, 2023)?
SHANG GUAN BEING OVERWHELMED BY WATER AND WET EARTH GANG
- The chart shows Water and Wet Earth Gang seeking to control Fire and Dry Earth.
- Fire (Shang Guan) is weak and therefore can be controlled but is far away from DM which results in the lacing of efficiency.
- Overall, from the natal chart, Wet Earth appears to be dominating which dampens the fire, could this affect the quality of the Shang Guan that the chart seeing to control?
- There is no swapping image for Bing (Shang Guan) as the Lu image for Bing is Si (Snake). There is no snake in the chart.
- Chart holder often has challenges expressing themselves and making clear articulation. Also, he has the issue of being spontaneous which is a characteristic of Shang Guan. this could be due to Shang Guan being far from DM and undermined by too much Water and Wet Earth.
- Probably have to observe the period where more Fire element is present. This will allow the water in the chart to have more work rather than having the element overwhelm the God that is being worked on.
- There is a problem with the chart holder establishing his authority despite having a high level of knowledge. Because Yin (Seal) is knowledge but at the same time represents authority. It has to be effective in a work process. The issue I felt is that Yin (Seal) does not have enough Fire to apply itself.
YI WOOD IN TOMB
Too much water in the chart, lead to overthinking especially when there is not enough Bi Jie to offer support and to transform Yin (Seal) to Shi Shang. Expression of creativity is affected.
Despite having Yi Wood in the hidden stem area but there in the tomb. It requires the tomb to be clashed or punished for the Lu to be released and become functioning. Lu represents the self. As such, the chart holder often feels that he has a lot of ideas and goes through a lot of learning but feels constipated in terms of expression and apprehension in applying what he learned.
Without the effective working of Shi Shang, it is difficult to produce or give birth to Cai even though the chart as many Cai in the form of double Chen and double Wei.
NO SELF-PUNISHMENT
In Mang Pai, there is no concept of self-punishment, therefore the interaction of Chen-Chen is ignored but this create Fu Yin which will be explained later.
NO GUAN SHA
This chart has no Officer (Guan Sha), meaning this person has no opportunity to gain status or officialdom. It can also be this person has no ambition to take on high ranking position.
BING SHANG GUAN
- The work process is inefficient. Yin (Seal.
- Both Gui and Ren overcome Bing
- Shang Guan and Bing are in the Year Pillar is far away from the DM Pillar.
- Bing is not effectively supported by the DM in order to control the Cai (Earth).
- Cai (Earth) is very strong and thus it controls back the Fire.
- Cai can be seen to be the Guest.
- The chart holder has a problem managing wealth. There can be wealth 'leakage' or poor financial management.
- Alternatively, the chart holder may feel overwhelmed with the prospect of managing money.
RELATIONSHP BETWEEN CAI AND YIN
Without effectively controlling and managing the Cai (Wealth), it is difficult for the chart holder to also control and manage the Yin (Seal).
This results in the chart holder experiencing overthinking which creates in taking action and leads to frequent procrastination. He constantly thinks and plans without taking action to create and deliver tangible actions.
NO BRANCH INTERACTION IN THE NATAL CHART
Furthermore, the Branch has no interaction and thereby does not result in a work process causing both Chen and Wei to be idle until they can meet with other tomb branches which can result in punishment and clash to open the tomb. However, I am not sure whether this matters or not to the main qi of Chen and Wei or if the opening of the tomb will only be releasing sub qi elements. Therefore, the question is do we require the clash and punishment interaction in order to get the Cai from Chen and Wei to work for Wood DM?
STEM INTERACTION
But there is Stem interaction where it has Bing and Ren clash at the Month and Year Pillar. This creates a conflict structure creating issues of dissatisfaction in the chart holder's career.
BATTLE BETWEEN ZHENG CHAI AND PIAN CHAI
Despite not having any direct interaction, there is a conflict between Chen and Wei because Chen is Wet Earth referring to Zheng Cai and Wei is Dry Earth representing Pian Chai. Both can be of equal strength but from Natal, it appears that Wet Earth is dominating. Does this mean there is a conflict in wealth generation method where if the focus is towards direct wealth will undermine the opportunity to gain indirect wealth?
YOU FROM LP AND MAO FROM AP
- You form a half-combination with Wei, meaning Cai from Wei can operate to transform into Qi Sha. Yet Qi Sha threatened the Yi Wood DM and Qi Sha being Guan Sha can refer to employment within a company so this may result in instability in career despite being able to combine with Wei.
- You combine with Chen. Chen being Wei Earth is easy to produce or transform to Metal. This could mean there is a greater desire for the chart holder to change within this period and have more ambition but You can cut the Lu of Yi Wood DM and the change can create some significant stress. In addition, Mao from the current 2023 Year Pillar forms Harm with the natal
- Month and Year Chen and You from LP form clash with Mao from Year Pillar.
- Mao represents the self DM as Lu and it is currently being clashed.
- Mao forming harm with Chen shows that the self is affected by matters related to Cai (Wealth).
- The chart holder has been retrenched from his full-time teaching profession in May 2022 and currently, he is working part-time to build an online learning platform.
QUESTION ON COMBINATION AND CLASH
- Can the combination between Chen and You be manifested due to You from LP clashing with Mao from AP?
- I would say no. A combination cannot be formed when a clash occurs.
- Can Mao and Wei form a half-combo? I would say no either because Mao s preoccupied with the external clash with You from LP.
- Therefore, due to the above, both You and Mao cannot effectively operate to manifest the effect of the combo.
FU YIN MEANING
- What does Fu Yin mean in this chart. There are two sets of Fu Yin related to Cai, one in reference to Zheng Chai and the other in Pian Cai.
- Does this mean that this chart holder will hold multiple jobs or have side gigs?
- Are Chen and Wei considered to be auspicious gods or inauspicious God?
- However, with the two Chen in the Month and Year, this could be made to explain how the chart holder has received much financial support from his parents because Cai being on the Month and Year represents the parents and it is at Guest, indicating wealth outside of "self". Both father and mother have made financial contributions to the chart holder.
CONCLUSION
- Overall conclusion, 2023 is going to be challenging financially as increased water Yin (Seal) overwhelms Shi Shang preventing it to be transformed into Cai so the Self and Lu can work/perform. In addition, the Cai becomes less beneficial as it cannot form a proper combination due to the influence of harm and clash made by Mao from AP and You from LP.
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hi JohnChoong,
thank you for your interesting topics so far. i learn much from them.
i want to comment on this :
NO BRANCH INTERACTION IN THE NATAL CHART
there's interaction in branch level : both Wei enter to both Chen ( Chen is tomb of water & earth).
1. Yi Wei enter to Chen, it means DM is joining an institution.
2. Chen = tomb of resource, so it might be a learning institution.
3. Wei brings many Yi, so the institution has many persons too (=learning peers, because these Yi come for getting Gui inside Chen)
4. Bing (output) sits atop Chen, means DM shares something in the institution.
(1)(2)(3)(4) are match with his fulltime teaching profession, aren't they?
Chen sits on Month & Year, so this is a local big institution but has national scale/reputation.
in LP Ding You, Yi DM produces Ding (EG) but there's Gui (IR). IR vs EG is "The Owl Steals Food" ~~> hardship. You (7K) -Chen combination subdues Yi inside Chen ~~> stressful life in the institution.
He was retrenched in May 2022, but problem was there in 2021 Xin Chou. Xin Chou is arrival of You (LP). Xin strengthens Gui (IR) and attacks Yi DM. Chou-Chen-You performs abundant 7K and damage Yi in branch level. Chou-Wei clash also make Wei get out of Chen tomb, which is contrary with natal chart does.
2023 Gui Mao, might be a little bit better because Mao will break Chen-You combination, so tension is lessening. But would be tiringful, because Mao is Lu of Yi DM ~~> physical work is required.
cmiiw :)
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hi JohnChoong,
thank you for your interesting topics so far. i learn much from them.
there's interaction in branch level : both Wei enter to both Chen ( Chen is tomb of water & earth).
1. Yi Wei enter to Chen, it means DM is joining an institution.
2. Chen = tomb of resource, so it might be a learning institution.
3. Wei brings many Yi, so the institution has many persons too (=learning peers, because these Yi come for getting Gui inside Chen)
4. Bing (output) sits atop Chen, means DM shares something in the institution.
(1)(2)(3)(4) are match with his fulltime teaching profession, aren't they?
Chen sits on Month & Year, so this is a local big institution but has national scale/reputation.
in LP Ding You, Yi DM produces Ding (EG) but there's Gui (IR). IR vs EG is "The Owl Steals Food" ~~> hardship. You (7K) -Chen combination subdues Yi inside Chen ~~> stressful life in the institution.
He was retrenched in May 2022, but problem was there in 2021 Xin Chou. Xin Chou is arrival of You (LP). Xin strengthens Gui (IR) and attacks Yi DM. Chou-Chen-You performs abundant 7K and damage Yi in branch level. Chou-Wei clash also make Wei get out of Chen tomb, which is contrary with natal chart does.
2023 Gui Mao, might be a little bit better because Mao will break Chen-You combination, so tension is lessening. But would be tiringful, because Mao is Lu of Yi DM ~~> physical work is required.
cmiiw :)
Thank you, Phoenix. Here are some of my thoughts based on your writing.
1. Yes. Both Yi Wei enters the Chen tomb and Yi and Wei. Yi represents the self and Wei is Cai. Was wondering what is the association of these two characters to the institution. Or would it be possible that this chart holder establishes his online learning platform?
2. Indeed he is interested in the learning industries but also in wellness I believe Chen is Resource (Yin) Tomb can be associated with both.
3. Interestingly, the chart holder wants to operate as a solopreneur and I wonder how it is possible for the Yi DM to gain access to his peers represented by the Yi Wood and whether they will be relevant. AFAIK, under the Mang Pai system, in order for the stems under the tomb branch to be used, they need to be released either through Clash or Punishment.
The question is whether the release of the Yi Wood will benefit the chart holders (if it happens). It represents the root of the Daymaster and it represents his longevity. I felt that due to the lack of interaction within the natal chart that can open the tomb, it is difficult for this chart holder to gain access to peers and collaborate unless he can time himself to leverage on period with Xu (Dog) forming Clash. Chen cannot form any interaction with Wei and Chou other than entombing them. Also, under Mang Pai, there is no self-punishment between Chen and Chen. So am wondering how can the Yi Wood from Chen be used and also when Wei with its Yi Wood within the storage gets entombed by Chen, it is also locked.
This may help explain why the chart holder felt he is somewhat an introvert despite having a lot of Lu.
4 The chart holder is running Ding You LP. You (Guan Sha) forming a combination with Chen. Would this indicate being employed by an organization because Guan Sha can represent companies and institutions also? You, however, is in the second half of the LP so I am wondering how relevant would it be. Does this mean that the chart holder has to wait for opportunities to be employed in an organization in the last 5 years of his LP and currently he should pursue working freelance or operate as a solopreneur.
5. I felt this year, it is challenging for him to find a job in an organization because Mao from Natal is harming Chen. He was laid off last year in March which is Ren Yin (Water Tiger) Year and Gui Mao (Rabbit) Month. Not sure why the layoff happens other than me seeing Mao from Month forming harm with both Chen in the Natal Month and Year.
But you mentioned could be valid because the chart holder receive the news of the retrenchment in January which is still considered to be Xin Chou. I was wondering how Gui can be adverse to the DM? Would Wet Wood welcome water?
6. Currently, the chart appears to be dominated Water and Wet Earth which seeks to control Fire (Output/Shi Shang). Personally, I find the process of controlling Fire is weak because there are still many kinds of wood present at the branch that support the Fire which would not allow Fire to be fully controlled especially when Wei Tomb (Wood Tomb is present). Am uncertain whether this is a valid point?
7. I am also uncertain whether the present of Mao this year will help because Harm seems to be more negative than Clash, Punishment, and Breakage. Also we may want to consider whether Chen and You is adverse. From what I know, the wood here is Live Wood and if fearful of metal. Although You bringing in Xin metal can cut the Wood but the wood in the chart is relatively strong and therefore can counter. Maybe due to the strong wood also that counter You (Guan Sha) helps to explain why the chart holder is not ambitious in pursuing position or take more responsibilities.
@Phoenix Thanks for your input. This helps me to explore further.
Hope to hear from you and others again.