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General discussions => FREE Life Reading Request => Topic started by: Twilight on November 06, 2023, 11:31:28 AM
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Hello all,
I have attached two charts. The chart with yi-Chou Day master, i have came to know thats it is a special kind of a "Follower Chart". Every second luck pillar is a clarity pillar in it. can someone please explain me the pros and cons of this pattern? In the main chart though, it seems like its too much earth, but how is it going to overall effect? or does is even effect as this is a Follower chart? mentioning that this female has no affinity with mother, father recently passed away and the other relatives shown their real faces after the death of father. So Zero Affinity with anyone in the family. Another shift was seen in finances and career, She is a real hard stuff and knows how to stand tall in harsh situations, just need guidance for upcoming shortcomings if anyone here could help reading the chart. How Special is this chart and in what ways?
The other chart is of possible suitor for this female. What are the life patterns for this REN-Xu daymaster? overall personality, shortcomings, life patterns, and possible hard situation in terms of marriage? and how to deal? will this person be able to deal the "special chart"?
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Her career will decline sharply as soon as she entered Yi Mao decade luck with a (fake) follower chart. All great things about her is now expired/obsolete, like an illusion.
She could be a child prodigy growing up. But from Yi Mao onward, she is just ordinary.
Follower charts bring tremendous success during favorable decade luck. But when it is no longer favorable, we immediately become ordinary. If we insist, what's ordinary might become a downfall.
Unfavorable decade luck turns a (fake) follower chart into a normal weak chart. True followers are strong enough to retain some of their greatness during unfavorable decade luck, similar to a very strong daymaster. But the fake follower ones aren't.
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Her career will decline sharply as soon as she entered Yi Mao decade luck with a (fake) follower chart. All great things about her is now expired/obsolete, like an illusion.
She could be a child prodigy growing up. But from Yi Mao onward, she is just ordinary.
Follower charts bring tremendous success during favourable decade luck. But when it is no longer favourable, we immediately become ordinary. If we insist, what's ordinary might become a downfall.
Unfavourable decade luck turns a (fake) follower chart into a normal weak chart. True followers are strong enough to retain some of their greatness during unfavourable decade luck, similar to a very strong daymaster. But the fake follower ones aren't.
Career decline, happened from 2020 onward. But the rest is confusing. She is blessed creative and able to do lot of creative stuff without effort But the environment she got (family especially) was never appreciative, never motivative and thus she never focused on any of her capabilities/interests/hobbies. She faced failures and deceptions on the relationship end, be it close family relations, or be it friends and love relations. There is no "tremendous success" so far. But yes something happened on 7th oct 2023, where she was tried to forcefully handled, in reaction she showed all her hidden talents in frustration. She never spoke up for her own, and she did it now, She gave up on Paintings, she actually painted a calligraphy frame, She is eager to travel abroad but she never was let to, Now she wants it by hook or by crook. She wrote, and wrote to a good extent and she never wrote anything before.
Another thing, till now she always preferred responsibilities over her own interests. Worked hard to earn and whatever she earned (out of her good heart) give it to someone in need and never got it back. Never received any good for her good done to others. Never earned any big amount to call her rich, and never took loans. She remained fair in terms of her hard earned money so far. She remained all fair in her hard to perform responsibilities that she even sacrificed her goals and interests, even an earning career for these.
How can you explain it please?
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If there's no tremendous success from her school years to her 20s, then I *guess* it's basically a normal weak chart with intention to act like a fake follower chart.
She's now in a favorable decade pillar but she needs fire to be lucky (2025, 2026, 2027).
- Weak chart becomes stronger thanks to Yi Mao decade pillar.
- Weak chart is able to act like successful fake follower thanks to Bing Wu (2026) annual pillar.
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The time since her school days was non-appreciative, struggling and hard. The next 5-6 years were full of deceptions, people who let her down, hard family life and next till now are about failures in goal achievements, hard career struggles, failures in relationships and hard struggles for responsibilities.
I am not a Bazi person, I just read few chunks time to time. That "follower chart" thing confused me. Also I don't know much about simple chart even thats why I asked for guidance regarding this chart's life, the main patterns, hurdles, and efforts she should focus on. I would appreciate if someone would throughly guide me as the chart holder is badly stuck and tired of struggles now. >:(
Also i need guidance about the other chart i posted.
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The suitor is 7 years younger?
His chart also needs fire to succeed and this fire is related to a marriage. However, there are multiple negative interactions between both natal charts: Chou-Xu-Wei, Chen-Xu, Chen-Mao... which looks terrible.
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The suitor is 7 years younger?
His chart also needs fire to succeed and this fire is related to a marriage. However, there are multiple negative interactions between both natal charts: Chou-Xu-Wei, Chen-Xu, Chen-Mao... which looks terrible.
fire is related to a marriage? what does that mean?
how about fire if the girl is into design, creativity and business side of career? will that help her ? what are her favourable and non favourable elements? I believe that the initial years with Fire helped her chart to produce water from the metal, she is strong headed one, creative and disciplined. And that might have helped her grow. There have been health issues but she is not easy giving up.
the boy's chart has rabbit - Dog combination, a fire combination. how about that? similarly the girl's chart also have hidden combinations and support. In my limited understanding these both charts are supporting each others elements too. am i wrong in this analysis?
Also like i said, i just read very basic chunks of bazi, I don't know much about how the negative interactions would effect but yes he is younger, and from a very different culture, background, upbringing and status. Also the girl doesn't want him to be close to her family either. will these factors count for all these clashes you mentioned?
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Favorable elements are fire, water, yin wood (self-element) and yang metal (direct officer).
Her career could be influenced by fire (creative industry) the most.
His wealth luck depends on Mao-Xu combo, which produce/strengthen fire. Xu is located in the day branch, his spouse palace.
All those clashes will cancel that beneficial combo and hurt the relationship with in-laws, themselves and children.
similarly the girl's chart also have hidden combinations and support. In my limited understanding these both charts are supporting each others elements too. am i wrong in this analysis?
Not wrong. I just focus on the most obvious ones.
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@coldpillow thank you for insights, i appreciate your assistance.
but there is one more thing, i have tried calculating her hour through different events in her life. like her fathers death and all. But so u think it should be Gui Wei (2:00 PM hour)? I have mentioned some life details i can provide you more if u want.
And like i said i no nothing about Bazi i just learnt in chunks the material available in english. so i need help understanding. There are few things which still confuses me about her hour pillar is: she suddenly started liking Maths and got a grip over that subject in 2002, but lost all her interest in it in 2005, and latter she never chose even Computer Programming (Calculative) rather she got herself into design and creativity following her own interest in 2008 onwards and still doing it.
Her elder brother is Gui Wei day master and somehow he kept an influence on her for alot of things, but as she now realized that he is the one eating up all her resources she is not trusting him anymore. things started unfolding after april 2023 after her fathers death.
Do u think there is a chance that she has Gui Wei hour pillar?
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@coldpillow thank you for insights, i appreciate your assistance.
but there is one more thing, i have tried calculating her hour through different events in her life. like her fathers death and all. But so u think it should be Gui Wei (2:00 PM hour)? I have mentioned some life details i can provide you more if u want.
And like i said i no nothing about Bazi i just learnt in chunks the material available in english. so i need help understanding. There are few things which still confuses me about her hour pillar is: she suddenly started liking Maths and got a grip over that subject in 2002, but lost all her interest in it in 2005, and latter she never chose even Computer Programming (Calculative) rather she got herself into design and creativity following her own interest in 2008 onwards and still doing it.
Her elder brother is Gui Wei day master and somehow he kept an influence on her for alot of things, but as she now realized that he is the one eating up all her resources she is not trusting him anymore. things started unfolding after april 2023 after her fathers death.
Do u think there is a chance that she has Gui Wei hour pillar?
These are a lot of things. ;D
I will leave it to others that might be interested to look deeper.
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oh >:(
well let me see if i could get help from anyone else here :(
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Hi @Twilight,
For my explanations, please refer to attachment for better clarity.
mentioning that this female has no affinity with mother, father recently passed away and the other relatives shown their real faces after the death of father. So Zero Affinity with anyone in the family.
But the environment she got (family especially) was never appreciative, never motivative and thus she never focused on any of her capabilities/interests/hobbies. She faced failures and deceptions on the relationship end, be it close family relations, or be it friends and love relations.
The time since her school days was non-appreciative, struggling and hard. The next 5-6 years were full of deceptions, people who let her down, hard family life and next till now are about failures in goal achievements, hard career struggles, failures in relationships and hard struggles for responsibilities.
If you look at her main chart, she has no water (support element) and a clash of Chou and Wei in the branches.
The lack of support element correlates to the lackluster family relationship, particularly the lack of affinity with mother.
Also, the Chou and Wei clash signifies conflicts with siblings, if any.
Her main chart also lacks fire (expression element), hence she naturally bury her interests and hobbies deep inside and she doesn't have the natural aptitude to surface them.
There is a Jia-Ji combination in her main chart.
Combinations are negative for both participating elements.
Jia wood (Rob Wealth) is the luck with people around her, Ji earth (Indirect Wealth) is partially her wealth luck and also pursuits of goals.
This means people around her have a tendency to take advantage of her efforts and accomplishments.
Since this is in her main chart, it is a problem she will meet throughout her life.
Losing her father can be correlated with the Wu-Gui combination.
Wu earth (Direct Wealth) from main chart and Gui water (Indirect Support) from 2023 pillar.
Mainly, Direct Wealth is a female's affinity with her father, so here Wu earth Direct Wealth is gone after combination.
But yes something happened on 7th oct 2023, where she was tried to forcefully handled, in reaction she showed all her hidden talents in frustration. She never spoke up for her own, and she did it now, She gave up on Paintings, she actually painted a calligraphy frame, She is eager to travel abroad but she never was let to, Now she wants it by hook or by crook. She wrote, and wrote to a good extent and she never wrote anything before.
Oct is the month of You (yin metal) of year Mao (yin wood) of luck pillar Mao also (yin wood).
DM is yin wood too.
So yin wood in branch row also serves as a mirror of DM.
Hence, in Oct, You metal attacks and injure the year's Mao wood, which shares the same energy as the luck pillar's Mao wood, which affects DM directly.
So to one-shot have so many yin wood injured, it is a very negative impact on DM.
Source of damage is You metal (7K), which is also her ambitious self and willfulness.
This will likely explain her sudden forcefulness and display of talents in frustration.
This behavior will continue until early Nov.
During this period, it is the month of Xu earth.
Xu-Mao forms a combination.
Due to the shared energy explanation, the Xu-Mao combination takes away the same 2x Mao.
Xu is her Direct Wealth, so her desire to pursue her dreams is very strong this period, at her own detriment.
She won't get far though, because the Direct Wealth also loses energy due to the combination, so her desires will not be met.
In the following months, she will mellow down as the elements will not rock her boat so violently any more.
In fact, from Nov to Jan, water is strong, and water serves as her self-reflection element.
So she would probably think things through during this period and by 2024, she will be back to her usual self.
Career decline, happened from 2020 onward.
In 2020, Geng metal combines with luck pillar's Yi wood.
Geng metal (Direct Officer) correlates to her job.
Combination drops her luck with work, hence a decline.
Since it is a combination with wood (Peer element), I am willing to bet it has something to do with colleagues.
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Oh Thankyou so much @aeonrel for such detailed explanation, i really appreciate this favour. thank you so much, this explained a lot i didn't know. and by this explanation should i now confirm that i was right in guessing her hour as 3pm? it was 3pm and not 2pm right? let me mention the timeline here
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- Blessed creative mind but gave up on many interests due to discouragement & responsibilities
- Done with all the education & degrees, Schooling: Position holder (till 2004)
- Never appreciated by family, No affinity with them, father: supportive but couldn't support openly, passed away in 2023 Apr
- College time was bit off, lost interest, especially in maths (2004-2006)
- 2006 onwards, close circle is of Males, couldn't get along with females
- 2010 started career & interest developed in Creative learnings, struggling career, hard earned money, never took loans. relationship failures too
- 2015, Invested in partnership, faced huge loss, major financial and emotional setback
- 2017 dec, first ever travel to some other country
- 2020 unplanned event forced to give up on career and focus on responsibility towards mother.
- 2021, change of residence
- 2023 oct sudden events regarding health but sudden recovery too.
In the following months, she will mellow down as the elements will not rock her boat so violently any more.
In fact, from Nov to Jan, water is strong, and water serves as her self-reflection element.
So she would probably think things through during this period and by 2024, she will be back to her usual self.
She now is stable though, but its been all her life that she kept giving up on her own self, her goals and interests. and now she wants to be herself, focus on herself. I was unable to look for anyways through her chart thats why I put up a post here to ask from the experienced people. Her main goals now is to get married in order to have some emotional support and happiness, to redo herself. Secondly she wants to explore the world, travel and learn. She wants to be an entrepreneur, wants to do something extraordinary benefiting others. and she is stuck with all the boundaries set by her mother and with getting married it is really hard for her to escape, especially now when she is being ripped off financially by everyone around. >:(
Since it is a combination with wood (Peer element), I am willing to bet it has something to do with colleagues.
Not really, 2016 was her big financial loss and partnership and the partner was the main culprit (i have mentioned a timeline in other post too). 2020 was about her mother's health, some accident happened and she needed a 24/7 nurse for around like 3-5 months. The chart holder, out of her good was the only one to handle. She was a freelancer, in fact was self-employed at that time, working with her hired employees online and excelling good. But have to put all aside when handed over a responsibility in emergency. :( :(
I wanted to ask about the other chart if that suitor could provide her the support she need.?
Is she going to get any relief out of all this tough life? is there still some better time for her to grow as her real self?
What are her favourable elements or combos to look for?
How about her career and goal? can she still keep moving when she is financially ripped off, and feels bounded by her own family?
Can marriage bring any good compared to the times she still was struggling in?
Thankyou again for the brief details, that really means alot.
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@Twilight ,
For me, I think Jia-Shen fits better than Gui-Wei, because Jia combining with Ji, creates the "people around her taking advantage of her" effect.
Gui-Wei doesn't give the same thing.
- Blessed creative mind but gave up on many interests due to discouragement & responsibilities
Creative mind is due to the many Indirect Wealth elements in her chart.
Gave up on interests and discouraged easily due to lack of Output element.
Adherence to responsibilities is more of a toxic external pressure (Jia-Ji combination).
- Done with all the education & degrees, Schooling: Position holder (till 2004)
Nothing to tell from this.
- Never appreciated by family, No affinity with them, father: supportive but couldn't support openly, passed away in 2023 Apr
No affinity with family due to lack of support elements.
Interestingly, I was waiting for you to provide evidence on father being a better family figure, because father for her is represented by Direct Wealth.
She has 2 in her chart (Wu and Chen), meaning her relationship with father is not that bad.
- College time was bit off, lost interest, especially in maths (2004-2006)
Was she distracted with friends?
- 2006 onwards, close circle is of Males, couldn't get along with females
Can't see this specifically, but I'm thinking is it the Bing fire in 2006 and in the 2009-2018 LP?
Bing fire makes her more expressive, maybe louder and more prominent.
Guys takes notice.
Girls maybe find it too much.
- 2010 started career & interest developed in Creative learnings, struggling career, hard earned money, never took loans. relationship failures too
2010 is Geng metal which is strong career luck for her.
But you mentioned she was freelancing?
Career luck is related to employment luck.
Self-driven business is tied to Wealth luck.
Time period duration also not too clear.
- 2015, Invested in partnership, faced huge loss, major financial and emotional setback
Some time within April-May?
- 2017 dec, first ever travel to some other country
Before 7th Dec?
- 2020 unplanned event forced to give up on career and focus on responsibility towards mother.
Will feedback below.
- 2021, change of residence
Not much to tell from here, unless travelling out of home town / country.
- 2023 oct sudden events regarding health but sudden recovery too.
As explained in previous reply.
She now is stable though, but its been all her life that she kept giving up on her own self, her goals and interests. and now she wants to be herself, focus on herself. I was unable to look for anyways through her chart thats why I put up a post here to ask from the experienced people. Her main goals now is to get married in order to have some emotional support and happiness, to redo herself. Secondly she wants to explore the world, travel and learn. She wants to be an entrepreneur, wants to do something extraordinary benefiting others. and she is stuck with all the boundaries set by her mother and with getting married it is really hard for her to escape, especially now when she is being ripped off financially by everyone around. >:(
I don't see much change in 2024 for her.
2025 to 2027, there is more fire, and maybe she will do things more for herself during that period.
2029-2038 LP, there is Yin wood in the branch.
For Chen day pilllar, when yin wood appears, high chance of travelling.
Hence, 2029-2038 is a strong period where she might travel the world.
Entrepreneurship is in her blood, with so many Wealth elements in her chart.
Not really, 2016 was her big financial loss and partnership and the partner was the main culprit (i have mentioned a timeline in other post too).
Was it 2015 or 2016?
You mentioned 2015 above.
2015 I can see why, 2016 not so much.
But event could have happened in 2015, and 2016 was aftereffects.
2020 was about her mother's health, some accident happened and she needed a 24/7 nurse for around like 3-5 months. The chart holder, out of her good was the only one to handle. She was a freelancer, in fact was self-employed at that time, working with her hired employees online and excelling good. But have to put all aside when handed over a responsibility in emergency. :( :(
This one is the confusing bit.
Career problem can be explained via Yi-Geng combination in LP and AP.
But she is freelancing, which is her own business, so by right it should be referencing Wealth luck.
There is a Zi-Chou combination in the branches in 2020.
Chou is her Indirect Wealth and Zi is her Direct Support.
By right her mother is represented by Indirect Support, but I guess Zi contains Gui water HHS, so maybe it refers to the mother too...
Shen metal clashes Mao wood, which is a mirror for her DM (yin Wood), so yes, it is a tough time for her.
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@Twilight ,
I wanted to ask about the other chart if that suitor could provide her the support she need.?
Here's what I can tell from the suitor's chart:
It's a weak chart.
- In stems, ignore DM, 2/3 elements are draining = weak factor
- In branches, 3/4 elements are draining = weak factor
- Not born in season = major weak factor
From stems, I can tell he is someone who is ethical and moral, but also rigid in character, so much so that it restricts his expressiveness.
From branches, I can see a Mao-Xu combination.
Mao is his expressiveness and Xu is his ambition.
This suggest to me he has an internal conflict between his desire to do what he likes and the path he sets for himself.
Chou clashes with Hai.
Chou is again his rigidity and Hai is his affinity with friends.
This means his rigid character is causing him not to relax and make connections easily.
His main chart also has no Wealth elements at all, which means he has poor affinity with females.
So overall, he is a rigid person, unromantic and not fun.
But he is at least morally upright.
Is he a bad person? Definitely not.
But is it the right person for the lady in question?
Can't conclude, but I lean towards not suitable because of his lack of female affinity.
Is she going to get any relief out of all this tough life? is there still some better time for her to grow as her real self?
I did a quick look through her LPs until late life....and I am sad to say there isn't an LP where it is 100% smooth for her.
So unfortunately, it will be more of catching specific years where luck is better and preparing for years where it is not.
If you are looking for chances for her to express her real self, then I recommend concentrating on fire years.
Her fire LPs were used up in her formative and schooling years.
What are her favourable elements or combos to look for?
The school of Bazi I use does not believe in 1 or 2 fixed favourable element for life.
Favourable elements and combos depends on the time period you are looking at.
What is favourable this year, may or may not be favourable next year, so on and so forth.
You have to specify which time period you want to investigate, then I can analyze and advise the favourable element for it.
How about her career and goal? can she still keep moving when she is financially ripped off, and feels bounded by her own family?
If we got the Hour Pillar correct, then no, wherever she goes, whatever she does, someone will try and rip her off.
But if she is aware, she can be mindful and prevent/reduce this from happening.
It's going to be difficult, because she has an affinity for getting ripped off.
You mentioned she has dreams of starting a business to help others - this suggest to me she might think for the benefits of others too readily, leading to her being easily taken advantage of (hence the Jia-Ji combination).
I suspect the bounding by family is the Shen metal in the Hour Pillar.
Apart from career luck, the Shen metal is her Direct Officer and creates the need to follow rules/orders/process.
No affinity with family, but wears the shackles bestowed upon her.
And her Wealth luck (Chen earth) is feeding these shackles.
Can marriage bring any good compared to the times she still was struggling in?
Drawing conclusions from main chart alone:
DM is Yi wood.
Wood and Earth is in conflict.
Wei on the Month Pillar also forms a clash with Chou.
If she marries, will be rocky.
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@aeonrel thank you so much you are not just helping me over the chart details but also with much of other concepts as well. yu just are a mentor and i appreciate that you take alot of time to read out all the details and throughly explain much. This really means alot to me
- College time was bit off, lost interest, especially in maths (2004-2006)
Was she distracted with friends?
you may say that, but it was more like that she moved to "female" based, race based environment, somewhere where status different hit her hard, and gave her stress to survive and prove her wort it. It also lead to health issues in aug or sep 2005.
- 2006 onwards, close circle is of Males, couldn't get along with females
Can't see this specifically, but I'm thinking is it the Bing fire in 2006 and in the 2009-2018 LP?
its always like she feels more comfortable with males then females. in family even, she thinks father somehow understood her but for the mother she takes her only as "label" and nothing more. Her close friends are males and females even when she tried, were mean and selfish to her. yeah but her student circle of females is respectful to her.
But you mentioned she was freelancing?
let me mention that her career life has different flavours. in 2010 she started as a teacher, but she continued with her interest as Designer, kept learning and worked on some freelance projects in parallel. in 2014, resigned from teaching and joined research and development project as a designer. in 2015, invested and bore a heavy loss. It started in 2015 but continue till 2016 and she quit in jul 2016. Lifted herself back again, solely focused on freelance and turned it in to self employment by hiring people under her. This design based freelance thing continuously is there since 2010 in parallel. In 2020, as she has to Nurse her mother, that "responsibility" was given to her, it was like picking up between the 2, "career or responsibility" as both need her 24/7. So she picked responsibility. but that gap prolonged to 2021 and there had been similar issues till now including her fathers death which did not let her focus on career.
- 2015, Invested in partnership, faced huge loss, major financial and emotional setback
Some time within April-May?
mentioned above, kept continuously investing from 2015 and when she demanded her part in 2016, it all ended in mess (july 2016)
- 2017 dec, first ever travel to some other country
Before 7th Dec?
no travelled on 8th Dec
2015 I can see why, 2016 not so much.
But event could have happened in 2015, and 2016 was aftereffects.
exactly you are right, i have explained it above too.
This one is the confusing bit.
Explained above. In Aug 2020 she has to choose between responsibility and career, each required 24/7 focus. She has to choose "responsibility".
By right her mother is represented by Indirect Support, but I guess Zi contains Gui water HHS, so maybe it refers to the mother too...
You are right may be. Con in first glance even I was like someone with "Rat" can be a good match to her. and in fact she had people with "rat" in day pillars, but she say it can only be "timely romantic / sexual attractiveness" thing. She had one with Rat Horse Dragon combination, and was the same "taking advantage theme". She is mature and kind, stayed on giving end, and is never into "timely relationships". She demands a solid base for relationship which i guess Rats are reluctant to offer. (in her case)
Shen metal clashes Mao wood, which is a mirror for her DM (yin Wood), so yes, it is a tough time for her.
Isnt it like the Yi Mao should support the DM more? or is it that the clashes have more influence?
Can't conclude, but I lean towards not suitable because of his lack of female affinity.
Umm isn't this lack of female affinity goes in favour of the girl? :) She told me that the guy himself chose her and asked no shit, they talked for marriage, about marriage and want to pursue it. Isn't it possible that he could be "one women person"? If you say he is morally upright, may be she wanted it the most. you said Shen metal is her Direct Officer and creates the need to follow rules/orders/process. so may be she needs someone like it. Regarding romance, she said she herself is moody so she understands and sometimes the way this guy expresses his likeness for her, she said its enough to melt.
I put in on this post to ask someone, like even you said that she has such chart which "people take advantage of", can you see something like it here too? and if you say it is the affinity in "her" chart itself that people take advantage of her, this means that no matter who she choose as partner will be the same. the rockiness of marriage is in her chart that whoever it is it wont matter. right? no matter what combination what element is there in other persons chart. is it so?
They never met, its been 2 years, every time theres some external factor which doesn't let them meet. why it could be so? and is there anything that can be done about it? how long will that keep happening?
I did a quick look through her LPs until late life....and I am sad to say there isn't an LP where it is 100% smooth for her.
So unfortunately, it will be more of catching specific years where luck is better and preparing for years where it is not.
If you are looking for chances for her to express her real self, then I recommend concentrating on fire years.
Her fire LPs were used up in her formative and schooling years.
She doesn't want a 100% smooth life. who even would desire so? from her life she want it something where she can grow like she is being designed to grow, an environment where she gets some support and someone to get back to. All for her she wants is to be an entrepreneur and she want to do something that her work speaks for her. something good for the society which the society could remember her for.
You have to specify which time period you want to investigate, then I can analyse and advise the favourable element for it.
umm favourable elements for next few years? something that even could help me to analyse and calculate so that i could guide her with my limited knowledge later. I am a learner only and her chart is a bit difficult for me to understand, its kind of a"transformative" chart for me and i don't know how to explain. but everything here like i said for "rats", it must work for it, but then i realised if she is a "grass" or "small plant" she only needs a lil water from top and a good levels of water under her, to grow naturally. Excess water like "rat could wast it away. and it happened so, she faced health issues in 2020, stress in 2022 which continued till 2023 and right now after OCT "a heavy stress" giving output, She now wants to focus on her real self, her passions and interests.
I suspect the bounding by family is the Shen metal in the Hour Pillar.
what can be done about it? can it work like introducing some friend with "Fire"? Because waiting for Fire pillars and seasons will introduce more stress in her.
No affinity with family, but wears the shackles bestowed upon her.
And her Wealth luck (Chen earth) is feeding these shackles.
Anyway to get rif of it?
If she marries, will be rocky.
Life itself is rocky, and she is mature enough to understand. She only needs someone to hear her when she fils up, she wants to get back to someone when she gets tired of standing tall. she just needs someone as her comfort zone. someone as home.
I want to ask something here, I don't know much but i have read through some case famous chart case studies available that after marriage, the charts starts to work as "one" too. pillars in one start effecting pillars in other too. whats missing in one starts filling the other too. so if even we say that these both charts are weak charts cant they be some good after merging and working together? aren't they not capable of working together as well? He got a fire combination, and being water, flowing towards wood and nurturing her up wont benefit him? water has to follow the downwards path anyways. Is he rigit enough not to flow in woods direction? she doesn't need all she just needs a lil of it? cant they relocate to some "Hot" area to fix some "fire" they miss. I know nothing about Bazi but just asking something out of curiosity.
one more thing. she is a "Pioneer" structure and he is the performer. She is wishing to be entrepreneur and He wants to be famous, given up on his some creative skills due to circumstances. Life has been hard to them both. Cant they both work their paths together? cant life get a lil easier for both but working together? any upcoming season, annual pillar, or luck supporting togetherness for good?
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The lack of support element correlates to the lackluster family relationship, particularly the lack of affinity with mother.
I was wondering about that a lot. You mentioned it before. I checked around charts of people I know... I get the logic behind it, but I have some doubts if it is often as pure as it seems. Because...
As it happens, the person that I know that was most dedicated to his family, more then anyone I ever knew before or after, didn't had a single resource element in their chart.
On the other hand, someone else I know with only resource, is living for decades with people not related to her, even though she could live with her son instead.
Now, we can say she has problem with resource as its just too much, while he was 'follow son' type of chart, so that is logical... And that may be true. But my idea is... Judging only by that may misfire from time to time I think. : )
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@Gmuli, Hi
I would like to second you here, the Chart holder in my case is extreme empath, dedicated to family and almost to anyone who asks for sympathy and favour that that why she loses and never get any returns.
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@Gmuli, Hi
I would like to second you here, the Chart holder in my case is extreme empath, dedicated to family and almost to anyone who asks for sympathy and favour that that why she loses and never get any returns.
I think it has to be needed where its given to get return, sometimes. : )
About the first chart... Lets say chart owners stumbles on some money. She wonders on what she want and what people nearby her want. It doesn't seem that is possible to spend on both, so that takes some time. At some point she just spends them on something else far away to solve the tension.
Or in everyday life... She walks the streets with a family member. Both hungry, having 10$ and only she does. She wonders if she should buy for herself or for her family member... Can't decide and end up giving it to random person on the street, or buying something else.
Is it like that?Or something else?
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Not an expert. Based on what was written, this person is in need of metal. Finding a partner (husband) is a possible solution. However, is that the only solution? Also, what type of husband should she look for: young, rich, self sufficient (independent), older will established, or other?
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@Gmuli,
I think it has to be needed where its given to get return, sometimes. : )
About the first chart... Lets say chart owners stumbles on some money. She wonders on what she want and what people nearby her want. It doesn't seem that is possible to spend on both, so that takes some time. At some point she just spends them on something else far away to solve the tension.
Or in everyday life... She walks the streets with a family member. Both hungry, having 10$ and only she does. She wonders if she should buy for herself or for her family member... Can't decide and end up giving it to random person on the street, or buying something else.
Is it like that?Or something else?
It is like that she "earned" money through hard work, have plans for future with that savings. Right then, someone asked her to help (financially in this particular scenario) and she out of good, offered what she can. And that someone took it forever to even appreciate her help or even returning back the finance, or even returning back the favour anyway even when asked out for to. Other than this, she is good at charity donating by her own will anyway.
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@tyc
Not an expert. Based on what was written, this person is in need of metal. Finding a partner (husband) is a possible solution. However, is that the only solution? Also, what type of husband should she look for: young, rich, self sufficient (independent), older will established, or other?
I am confused, whether you asked for her choice? or mentioned it as suggestion?
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It is like that she "earned" money through hard work, have plans for future with that savings. Right then, someone asked her to help (financially in this particular scenario) and she out of good, offered what she can. And that someone took it forever to even appreciate her help or even returning back the finance, or even returning back the favour anyway even when asked out for to. Other than this, she is good at charity donating by her own will anyway.
We can follow this in the chart, but there is more. So in my humble view, there is vital parts missing.
Yi sits a top Chou. Chou is seen as Wealth/Asset, as DM controls Earth.
So the person sits on their own Wealth/money.
We want to understand it, so we have to look what happens with your money and that is Chou in this case.
Chou has tendency to 'fall' in Chen.
Because Chen is seen as Storage(Tomb) of Earth. So at times Chou will fall in Chen, so at times there is tendency to give money away to something further out. Joining other money connected to support/resource(Chen contains water, that is Resource).
Chen is what we call 'closed' as state. So whatever is in it it not accessible. Meaning there is nothing more, at this point, money are just lost in Chen.
So far all fits, but the actual mechanic contain more.
The actual movement would be:
Chou is in tension with Wei clashing it. So there is competition, struggle happening between your wealth and nearby people/family members wealth. At times that tension disappears then Chou is falling in Chen.
That means to be able to go deeper, at first layer we need to understand what happens before that money are given away. Is it done to take distance from something family/nearby people are doing with their money?Or they are made because someone close is making them?
Something happens before they are given away and we need that to understand the rest, including spouse, in my humble understanding.
Something like someone competing with a sibling or friend, then at some point competition ends and what they struggle for is given away without return.
Fire is in Wei, so we need to understand what that is. :)
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@tyc
Not an expert. Based on what was written, this person is in need of metal. Finding a partner (husband) is a possible solution. However, is that the only solution? Also, what type of husband should she look for: young, rich, self sufficient (independent), older will established, or other?
I am confused, whether you asked for her choice? or mentioned it as suggestion?
My though was meant as a question to other readers: guess I need to add additional information. Self is weak but when strengthen, RW appears to take away wealth. A possible counter is to use authority or DO to offset / control RW. Husband can be consider as authority.
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@Gmuli,
Sorry to side track the discussion. Still not sure why "Wei" is consider her true wealth, is it because simply the location below DM? My question: Is there any way to protect "Wei" in this chart?
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@Gmuli,
Sorry to side track the discussion. Still not sure why "Wei" is consider her true wealth, is it because simply the location below DM? My question: Is there any way to protect "Wei" in this chart?
I think because it can point us to something that we need to understand the rest.
As if we have Chou as her money, being lost in Chen... That happens only when the clash of Chou and Wei is stopped by combination.
So basically Wei protects Chou from being lost in Chen, by this 'competition' between them. When Zi comes as other people, Chou triggers, pulls away from Wei and just ends up in Chen losing all.
As soon as that ends, Chou is fully lost in Chen.
But Wei is other people Wealth(because its in the month).
So in some way, other peoples Wealth becomes what can protect Chou, by something happening between them. But we don't know what that is I think.
Also we don't know if the idea is to protect them, or Shen<>Chen frame points to something else that the person is looking to accomplish with that.
I get the idea of Jia combining with Ji, as RW taking her Wealth, but Ji is in the month, while Jia is in the Hour(where sometimes her own stuff can be).
So I'm not sure that is the mechanic that worries her, I think its in Chou>>Chen fall/tomb.
And Wei... Without Wei all is simple. Chou falls in Chen. Chen is closed. All is lost for now. Then awaiting LP when Chen or Chou are open, becomes interesting as then the person will benefit more clearly from what is given and what they have.
But here we have the people around that are trying to 'engage' chou preventing it from falling. And what that is becomes important, so we know if we should encourage that or if the process is fine the whole time(Chou is suppose to be lost, to look for Support for other people in far away places(Chen<>Shen frame in Hour/Year).
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Thanks for the detail.
Can I paraphrase your thought as following: protect wei not from the chart, but try to figure out / understand what is wei to the person then try to determine a way to protect it in real life.
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Thanks for the detail.
Can I paraphrase your thought as following: protect wei not from the chart, but try to figure out / understand what is wei to the person then try to determine a way to protect it in real life.
Possibly. But we can't know from this. Some of the Images come from outside, from the groups and events she is part of. And we have to align that.
Soo... The Wealth(her wealth and people nearby her) end up far away. Once in Jia, once in Chen, both carring images of something far out.
And that carries the idea of support(Shen<>Chen - frame of water).
So she looks for support for people far away. And she carries that, when in front of people, Shen is part of there, so when Zi comes, all is given to support someone/something far away.
But we can't know what to do without knowing the other part. What is supported and why its supported. As protecting her wealth may be a bad move. Someday, Xu and of course Zi years and LPs will come and what she has worked so long for will bring fruit... Without knowing what that is, stoping the process is risky. Her whole life may be supposed to accomplish it.
Overall, yes, that is possible, but its also possible we aren't suppose to mess it up and just tell her to wait around 81 to see why that was needed. Also possible to have to adjust something else in it. Without the Images from environment around her, I don't think we can say for sure.
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@Twilight ,
you may say that, but it was more like that she moved to "female" based, race based environment, somewhere where status different hit her hard, and gave her stress to survive and prove her wort it. It also lead to health issues in aug or sep 2005.
Not sure if this is the right way to read it, but due to more wood in 2004 and 2005 makes me think there people in her environment played a part.
i.e., for 2004, the stems give you Jia wood suppress Wu earth - People around her affecting her pursuits….but that only last for 1 year.
In the branches, LP Si fire combines with 2x Shen metal from main chart and AP - maybe strong forced structure from the status-inclined environment curbing her freedom to express, creating stress.
2005 and 2006 continue Si-Shen combine, though reduce to 1x Shen…but technically this combination should last the whole LP.
So if this was the root cause, I'm not sure how it played out before school in 2004.
I see Aug / Sep 2005 are metal months. Respiratory-related health issues?
its always like she feels more comfortable with males then females. in family even, she thinks father somehow understood her but for the mother she takes her only as "label" and nothing more. Her close friends are males and females even when she tried, were mean and selfish to her. yeah but her student circle of females is respectful to her.
If this has always been the case for her, then it could be due to the healthy Officer Shen metal in the branches, which is affinity with males.
Otherwise, I can't see why there is a suddenly improved relationship with males in 2006.
let me mention that her career life has different flavours. in 2010 she started as a teacher, but she continued with her interest as Designer, kept learning and worked on some freelance projects in parallel. in 2014, resigned from teaching and joined research and development project as a designer. in 2015, invested and bore a heavy loss. It started in 2015 but continue till 2016 and she quit in jul 2016. Lifted herself back again, solely focused on freelance and turned it in to self employment by hiring people under her. This design based freelance thing continuously is there since 2010 in parallel. In 2020, as she has to Nurse her mother, that "responsibility" was given to her, it was like picking up between the 2, "career or responsibility" as both need her 24/7. So she picked responsibility. but that gap prolonged to 2021 and there had been similar issues till now including her fathers death which did not let her focus on career.
2010 has healthy Direct Officer in AP stem, so that explains the start of employment.
Side lines should be due to her Indirect Wealth in main chart.
no travelled on 8th Dec
Oh, so close!
If we use Symbolic Stars, for Chou day branch, Hai must appear.
Before 7th Dec, it was a Hai month.
Explained above. In Aug 2020 she has to choose between responsibility and career, each required 24/7 focus. She has to choose "responsibility".
Actually, when 2020 AP stem Geng metal combines with LP Yi wood, if we take a step back, Geng as Officer means something that controls DM and Yi is DM. Typically we say Officer = job, but in this case it can be rationalized as the "responsibility", because it is also something that is controlling her.
You are right may be. Con in first glance even I was like someone with "Rat" can be a good match to her. and in fact she had people with "rat" in day pillars, but she say it can only be "timely romantic / sexual attractiveness" thing. She had one with Rat Horse Dragon combination, and was the same "taking advantage theme". She is mature and kind, stayed on giving end, and is never into "timely relationships". She demands a solid base for relationship which i guess Rats are reluctant to offer. (in her case)
Strictly speaking, based on classical Bazi, Zi can form a harm with her Wei, Zi can also combine with her Chou.
Isnt it like the Yi Mao should support the DM more? or is it that the clashes have more influence?
Yes it supports the DM more, but it also becomes exposed to risk like clashes and combines. When it suffers a clash/combination, the support flips over to a negative.
That's why some say it is better to have elements missing than to have them appear and be subjected to bad interactions.
Umm isn't this lack of female affinity goes in favour of the girl? :) She told me that the guy himself chose her and asked no shit, they talked for marriage, about marriage and want to pursue it. Isn't it possible that he could be "one women person"? If you say he is morally upright, may be she wanted it the most. you said Shen metal is her Direct Officer and creates the need to follow rules/orders/process. so may be she needs someone like it. Regarding romance, she said she herself is moody so she understands and sometimes the way this guy expresses his likeness for her, she said its enough to melt.
I put in on this post to ask someone, like even you said that she has such chart which "people take advantage of", can you see something like it here too? and if you say it is the affinity in "her" chart itself that people take advantage of her, this means that no matter who she choose as partner will be the same. the rockiness of marriage is in her chart that whoever it is it wont matter. right? no matter what combination what element is there in other persons chart. is it so?
They never met, its been 2 years, every time theres some external factor which doesn't let them meet. why it could be so? and is there anything that can be done about it? how long will that keep happening?
Lack of female affinity generally means not so great with the ladies.
Opposite of a Casanova.
Yes, great for female spouse when he is attached because lesser chance of him able to fool around with other women, because he has no game.
But as a female spouse, sometimes you would also like your husband to be romantic to you….but still, the guy has no game.
So, up to her really.
If she doesn't need the romantic part and only wants someone straight as an arrow, he's the man.
I don't think this guy will take advantage, cause it seems like he has rather strong morals.
The conflicting nature, if married, I think will come true because:
- For her chart, DM wood sits on earth. Wood suppresses earth, earth is spouse here. She will dominate her spouse.
- For his chart, DM water sits on earth. Earth suppresses water, earth is spouse here. His spouse will dominate him.
Personality-wise makes sense too.
She is smart (many wealth elements in chart), she will know how to work her partner.
He doesn't have much wealth and is rigid. Will be susceptible to manipulation.
Maybe it won't play out in a rocky manner, but very likely there will be a dominating scenario.
Not meeting for 2 years….hard to tell from Bazi.
I suggest Qi Men Dun Jia to divine this answer.
She doesn't want a 100% smooth life. who even would desire so? from her life she want it something where she can grow like she is being designed to grow, an environment where she gets some support and someone to get back to. All for her she wants is to be an entrepreneur and she want to do something that her work speaks for her. something good for the society which the society could remember her for.
I thought when you asked if she will find relief in this tough life, you meant when there will be a period in her life where there isn't some elemental clash/harm/punishment/combination/etc., which there isn't for the LPs until 2059.
It's different if you are asking if she will find success in her entrepreneurship.
umm favourable elements for next few years? something that even could help me to analyse and calculate so that i could guide her with my limited knowledge later. I am a learner only and her chart is a bit difficult for me to understand, its kind of a"transformative" chart for me and i don't know how to explain. but everything here like i said for "rats", it must work for it, but then i realised if she is a "grass" or "small plant" she only needs a lil water from top and a good levels of water under her, to grow naturally. Excess water like "rat could wast it away. and it happened so, she faced health issues in 2020, stress in 2022 which continued till 2023 and right now after OCT "a heavy stress" giving output, She now wants to focus on her real self, her passions and interests.
Actually, I thought about this…be it classical Bazi or the school I use…even knowing what are the favourable elements every year, how is she going use that information?
We can't change the elements coming in year after year, so it makes more sense to do a reading for whichever period you are interested in, rather than find out the favourable elements, because it's down to how we respond to the changing elements.
what can be done about it? can it work like introducing some friend with "Fire"? Because waiting for Fire pillars and seasons will introduce more stress in her.
Anyway to get rif of it?
For me, the Shen metal represents the order in her life and it is very strong due to the vast number of earths growing it.
So to shed its energy, we need water.
You mentioned water will destabilize the DM, which I think philosophically plays out correctly, because she has no water in main chart, hence water-related areas of life is difficult for her to play out, and this hardship can also mean the destabilization.
In Bazi, it is not easy to find one perfect elemental solution for every situation - you fix one thing, something else might become imbalance….choose your poison :-X
I want to ask something here, I don't know much but i have read through some case famous chart case studies available that after marriage, the charts starts to work as "one" too. pillars in one start effecting pillars in other too. whats missing in one starts filling the other too. so if even we say that these both charts are weak charts cant they be some good after merging and working together? aren't they not capable of working together as well? He got a fire combination, and being water, flowing towards wood and nurturing her up wont benefit him? water has to follow the downwards path anyways. Is he rigit enough not to flow in woods direction? she doesn't need all she just needs a lil of it? cant they relocate to some "Hot" area to fix some "fire" they miss. I know nothing about Bazi but just asking something out of curiosity.
one more thing. she is a "Pioneer" structure and he is the performer. She is wishing to be entrepreneur and He wants to be famous, given up on his some creative skills due to circumstances. Life has been hard to them both. Cant they both work their paths together? cant life get a lil easier for both but working together? any upcoming season, annual pillar, or luck supporting togetherness for good?
Sorry, I can't help with this because most of this is classical Bazi and I don't read charts this way.
Can't they both work their paths together? Sure, why not? It's up to individual to choose.
Can't life get easier for both by working together? Depends on each individual's chart.
For me, to remain together, just watch out for times when any Direct Officer is injured/combined and for him, just watch out for times when any Direct Wealth is injured/combined.
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@Gmuli , @Twilight
I was wondering about that a lot. You mentioned it before. I checked around charts of people I know... I get the logic behind it, but I have some doubts if it is often as pure as it seems. Because...
As it happens, the person that I know that was most dedicated to his family, more then anyone I ever knew before or after, didn't had a single resource element in their chart.
On the other hand, someone else I know with only resource, is living for decades with people not related to her, even though she could live with her son instead.
Now, we can say she has problem with resource as its just too much, while he was 'follow son' type of chart, so that is logical... And that may be true. But my idea is... Judging only by that may misfire from time to time I think. : )
I would like to second you here, the Chart holder in my case is extreme empath, dedicated to family and almost to anyone who asks for sympathy and favour that that why she loses and never get any returns.
All true, but explained from another angle.
Dedication does not mean great relations with parents/mother.
I have a friend who does not have a drop of support element in his chart.
But he is a very dedicated, responsible and filial son…brings his mother for medical check-ups and all that.
But relationship with mother is plain, flat.
Nothing much beyond the basic hi-bye, and small talk.
It's not bad because no clash on support, but also nothing to shout about.
To me, affinity is very closely linked to the quality of the relationship.
You can execute the greatest empathy, dedication and care, but at the end of the day, if the relationship is still meh, then likely the support luck is also not strong despite the efforts.
Of course, these are from my personal experiences thus far, and I'm still learning.
So the more datapoints I receive that goes the other way, I will rationalize and fine-tune the way I decipher Bazi :)
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@Gmuli @tyc
i have read the conversation but I am someone who just have understood Bazi based on own interests and read all in chunks from here and there, whatever i found available any my major concern is to understand the personality, traits and why and what from Bazi. So take me as some basic learner here. I understood how you are trying to get the solution but so naive to get through the core. However, i have mentioned something about "Zi", the chart holder has got a Zi Dm back in 2019-20 who ended up the same way, approached the girl with intention to know her to get married, attraction no doubt was there but the conversation went downhill in Feb 2020 all as sudden, then that guy too took the (financial) favour from this girl mentioning his hard times etc. and never looked back, never returned anything not even when asked. He has (Rat Horse Dragon as i remember). Another Rat around just tried to flirt around, he wanted nothing but has physical attraction towards the girl. So in my understanding, I guess Rats dont work well. but let me attach other important parts of her chart here, may be that would help.
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@Gmuli @tyc
i have read the conversation but I am someone who just have understood Bazi based on own interests and read all in chunks from here and there, whatever i found available any my major concern is to understand the personality, traits and why and what from Bazi. So take me as some basic learner here. I understood how you are trying to get the solution but so naive to get through the core. However, i have mentioned something about "Zi", the chart holder has got a Zi Dm back in 2019-20 who ended up the same way, approached the girl with intention to know her to get married, attraction no doubt was there but the conversation went downhill in Feb 2020 all as sudden, then that guy too took the (financial) favour from this girl mentioning his hard times etc. and never looked back, never returned anything not even when asked. He has (Rat Horse Dragon as i remember). Another Rat around just tried to flirt around, he wanted nothing but has physical attraction towards the girl. So in my understanding, I guess Rats dont work well. but let me attach other important parts of her chart here, may be that would help.
I think Zi is losing wealth, Xu is the one that can change the mechanic.
But why it happens, what is there to learn or accomplish, I can't say without knowing the person. There are subtle movements we have to notice to see how it work.
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So if this was the root cause, I'm not sure how it played out before school in 2004.
I see Aug / Sep 2005 are metal months. Respiratory-related health issues?
Thats okay I just mentioned a timeline and this was just to mention how and when her life changed to see if theres anything crucial or any clashes or combinations in working.
I'll put up her the health related timeline in last para.
If this has always been the case for her, then it could be due to the healthy Officer Shen metal in the branches, which is affinity with males.
Otherwise, I can't see why there is a suddenly improved relationship with males in 2006.
Well your justification about Healthy officer makes logic. otherwise there is no sudden improvement in relationships, its like that female based company doesn't add any value to her, she doesn't feel connected in female gatherings. Whereas males are supportive. the only close friend she has is male too. I ll ask if she knows his best friend's DOB if that could add up anything.
Oh, so close!
If we use Symbolic Stars, for Chou day branch, Hai must appear.
Before 7th Dec, it was a Hai month.
yeah i was amazed to see how close you calculated that, but are you saying Hai triggered travel? because obviously the processing went on in Hai month, and Hai is the sky horse too.
Strictly speaking, based on classical Bazi, Zi can form a harm with her Wei, Zi can also combine with her Chou.
Yeah exactly, i am of the same view that Zi is somehow neutral, or controversial may be? harming more and supporting less.
Yes it supports the DM more, but it also becomes exposed to risk like clashes and combines. When it suffers a clash/combination, the support flips over to a negative.
That's why some say it is better to have elements missing than to have them appear and be subjected to bad interactions.
hmm, i only had a point in mind that luck pillar acts more strongly so in my understanding it should be more "supportive" time. but i get your point as well.
If she doesn't need the romantic part and only wants someone straight as an arrow, he's the man.
umm how could it be so dry? i mean he has a Fire in combination his wealth element, isnt it? so wont that help? and i took this combination important because it is the guy who approached the girl, the guy wants to get married in first place. He wanted her as his wife first. so somewhere he wants a partner a female counterpart.
I thought when you asked if she will find relief in this tough life, you meant when there will be a period in her life where there isn't some elemental clash/harm/punishment/combination/etc., which there isn't for the LPs until 2059.
It's different if you are asking if she will find success in her entrepreneurship.
nah nah, even she has a mind that life is challenging game and hard times are a crucial part of it, they have to be there to keep it more fun. It is just that she want to breath as her own self now, wants to do what she likes, follow her passion. travel around, excel as entrepreneur, make progress in her life. understand her life path and follow it. This is what she wants now, coz the life till now was more suffocating for her, rewarding her very little for his massive inputs. she felt bounded and like you said "shackles she is bestowed with" she wants to get rid of them now. she has no issues with working hard, she just want to get rid of toxicity around which isnt letting her grow her way.
Actually, I thought about this…be it classical Bazi or the school I use…even knowing what are the favourable elements every year, how is she going use that information?
i dont know but i read it somewhere in a way that these elements can be induced like, say water through traveling around, communicating or even starting with journaling. similarly by intaking foods more related to specific elements. I may be totally incorrect but i just asked a question to know if that could work.
@aeonrel thank you so much you have helped me alot and cleared alot of my thoughts. you are amazing. :) I am still working on this and might need more of your help. but all i got till now really means alot.
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@Gmuli I think Zi is losing wealth, Xu is the one that can change the mechanic.
But why it happens, what is there to learn or accomplish, I can't say without knowing the person. There are subtle movements we have to notice to see how it work.
knowing the chart holder? she is in direct contact with me these days, you may ask whatever you want to know please.
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Like u I'm still learning. I used your chart to figure issues that i couldn't determine on my own. I used 5 elements & basic 10 gods concepts: simple but simplicity lacks details.
I honestly wasn't trying to come up with A solution but rather trying to point out there many possible solutions using 5 elements concept. IMO understanding EB can help provide more details, but this area may lead to many inaccuracies (See gmuli responds).
I don't know how to properly read relationships from a chart. However, I would ask myself this question: is my chart ready to have a relationship (there are metals in HHS). Read Gmuli comments, and see if u can figure out that question.
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@Gmuli I think Zi is losing wealth, Xu is the one that can change the mechanic.
But why it happens, what is there to learn or accomplish, I can't say without knowing the person. There are subtle movements we have to notice to see how it work.
knowing the chart holder? she is in direct contact with me these days, you may ask whatever you want to know please.
In my humble view, key is what wei represents. And it seems to represents values left by her father, in some cases. As both she and her brother(Jia) anchor in it and come out of it. And that values may be related to her fathers relation to her mother(Chen).
On top of boyfriend we have Jia(her brother). He anchors in Wei also comes from there.
And takes away Wealth again, that is Wei/Chou shared, so hers but also not hers.
Key question becomes what did she took from her father in relation to Wealth.How did he see Wealth/Money/Income.
2019 New LP starts. All wood falls in Wei and closes it. So that is not accessible and leads to all sorts of problems, as on top of that, her physical body(Mao) is in Harm with Chen.
Questions:
1.What does she and her brother share about wealth, possibly left by her father?
Understanding, values or maybe a house or something else?Possibly left be her father as values, although can be something material too(like a house or a company or money etc.)
2.What happened after her father passed away with rest of familys relations in detail?
3.Did one of her parents had idea/belief money should be given to support people in need?Possibly her father.
4.Was her father really supportive(financially and not only) of her mother and can we say it wasn't fully appreciated?
5.More about her mother may be needed. Can we say there is much resource in her chart?How do people relate to her.
other then that I think details on this could help if not a problem:
"mentioning that this female has no affinity with mother, father recently passed away and the other relatives shown their real faces after the death of father. So Zero Affinity with anyone in the family."
This seems to be all falling in Chen again. Then Mao in harm with Chen. But do all family support or at least try to adjust to her mother?Or chen is something else.
"Her elder brother is Gui Wei day master and somehow he kept an influence on her for alot of things, but as she now realized that he is the one eating up all her resources she is not trusting him anymore. things started unfolding after april 2023 after her fathers death."
More info on that may be needed. Jia do take Ji, but Ji isn't fully hers, so what happens there?Brother should be Jia.
"and she is stuck with all the boundaries set by her mother '
This should be all that comes from all falling in Chen. But how does that show in real life?Is her mother so controling that she controls 3/4 of the chart by it falling in Chen?Or something else is going on.
So I think details on that conflicts can be helpful, just to be sure. And how they lead to losing money. :)
I checked in detail previous posts. I think I get what happens in my style of reading, but seems wiser to ask first.Relation of father(Wei) and his values and relation to Wealth, to Mother and how she relates to family seems important(Chen).
Why does her father pass away at that time...
In this kind of combination(Hai<>Mao<>Wei or parts of it) hai and Wei move to join the central component. Its one way to see movement in the chart. When Mao lp comes, Wei is inclined to join it in LP.
When Mao year came, there are 2 Maos, never in life will be that many, so they just take Wei(her father) away.
Distance from family - again, all falls in Chen, so its normal. With Wei lost the only hot factor in the cold environment is lost, together with Mao having harm with Chen and her anchoring there now.
Does her mother have a lot of Resource in her chart(expecting yes)?Not important, though, just curious.
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In my humble view, key is what wei represents. And it seems to represents values left by her father, in some cases. As both she and her brother(Jia) anchor in it and come out of it. And that values may be related to her fathers relation to her mother(Chen).
I agree, out of these 4 siblings, these 2 elders, the brother and the chart holder herself share values (moral/ethical) from father.
Key question becomes what did she took from her father in relation to Wealth.How did he see Wealth/Money/Income.
Well this is what makes the girl and her brother poles apart. This girl started earning and became financially independent in 2010 and never asked for a penny ever from anyone, rather helped others with her money. On the other hand, her brother stayed forever dependant on father, even after getting married too. Living in fathers house enjoying all benefits on behalf of father. Taken alot financially from father in the name of education and startups but wasted all, never even tried to return back. Even after father's death, he has taken over some basic stuff already. This annoyed the girl but she never created any dispute ever, the father even was annoyed but couldn't do much as the brother is extremely stubborn, thinks he knows alot. Her wife even became a financial burden over family.
Father passed away on 13 April 2023, 7am (can be last minutes of 6:00 not sure), The chart holder girl was stressed due to her fathers health and was focusing more on his responsibilities lever her own self aside.
@aeonrel ( the health conditions with timeline i missed)
- In March 2023, she suffered form sudden throbbing chest pain along with breathing issues, prescribed to be taken to cardiac specialists in emergency. Similar pain happened back in 2008 and mentioned as "anxiety" on reports. But this time it was more swear and after her fathers death it regularly happened for 2 months after 3rd or 4th day or once in weak more specifically in late nights and lasted for 6 -7 hours too.
- Migraine and sleep issues diagnosed in 2005-06 onwards and same pattern repeated after her fathers death, migraine especially hit in May to Sep 2023
- She has hormonal and blood related issues, first diagnosed in 2011, this is a continuous issue she's been dealing with but in her report of 8th oct, out of nowhere her urea level in blood went extremely high.
- Suffered from lower back pain in Aug-Sep 23
- Suffered from swear left shoulder and arm pain Sep 23
- Lost weight after her father demise, which she is never able to do even through diets.
- Everything in doubt was examined and the reports were clear, however I believe she is suffering from Blood infection/ or blood related issues as per her chart. But one thing amazing i noticed that when her urea was diagnosed to go beyond normal levels, she was though talking in a way meaningless to others, but everything she was asked about to verify her memory was 101% accurate. She has an amazing memory, she had perfect visual details of incidents happened even in her childhood. which triggered me to get help for her, because in that condition, her brother making everyone believe that she lost all her mind, took her psychiatrists who mentioned her as extreme depressing case (Acute Behavioural Disorders) which could lead to sudden death. Doctors heard all the story from her brother. But i was noticing her she was all perfect in her memories and understandings and i couldn't get Why her brother was even doing it to her. This all happened for the while month of October starting from 7th Oct. And like i said she was all perfect in her understanding during this time period, I believe it too but no one else is believing her. For everyone she has lost her mind and that she needs care. So now even her passion to leave for some other country is stuck due to her health conditions as well. This is the reason i said that Oct showed her real faces of even close family members. Her aunt somehow is polite and listens to her but even she believes somewhere in her head that the girl has psychological issue which when came into the notice of the girl, she made herself more reserved to herself only.
1.What does she and her brother share about wealth, possibly left by her father?
Mentioned above too, Her brother even after the father demise is dependant of fathers money, She never has been financially dependant on her father. Never took a penny after 2010, earned on her own. But even at times when she asked for some timely favours, her father couldn't manage to do it for her.
Understanding, values or maybe a house or something else?Possibly left be her father as values, although can be something material too(like a house or a company or money etc.)
Her father was a knowledgeable man. These both kids inherited this value, but as far as I observed, the Girl is more intelligent and talks more logic while her brother is stubborn and more of a "talk more follow less". She even once said that her brother is full of ego and cant digest someone negating and proving his understandings wrong. So i guess the Girl is doing more justice with what she inherited from her father.
Money matters i mentioned above.
House / vehicle/ other property left by father, is shared and should be shared. but mother through her controlling and keeping strict hold over wealth, and brother through his "magical" speaking and convincing other skills, are just ruining the property. Other 2 sisters are married and more influenced by mother and brother.
2.What happened after her father passed away with rest of familys relations in detail?
Father was very close to his brother, but after him, due to stubborn nature of her mother and brother, the relationship got a knot. Father's closest elatives are put to some distance. The girl was put to a corner, proved to be mentally unstable, and still been tried to be controlled over. She got ripped off financially by the family itself, as she was taking care of all after her father and even when her father was dealing with ill before death. The younger sisters are more influenced by brother and mother however the youngest one still tries to help. the girl been through all this is not going to trust any of them though, she is hurt.
3.Did one of her parents had idea/belief money should be given to support people in need?Possibly her father.
yes, the father. He never hold strong to money, though he saved and invested for his kids and bad times but he was more good at supporting others in need.
4.Was her father really supportive(financially and not only) of her mother and can we say it wasn't fully appreciated?
My father was really supportive to mother but Mother has negative traits of never appreciating, always complaining, keeping strict hold on to money, even she holds onto useless things too. Always wanted and still wants all control over everything.
5.More about her mother may be needed. Can we say there is much resource in her chart?How do people relate to her.
Mother never trusted this girl, leave appriciation she never even acknowledged the girl's favour. When she notice girl being appreciated by other, she tries to compete with the girl and i cant understand what kind of mother does so.
"mentioning that this female has no affinity with mother, father recently passed away and the other relatives shown their real faces after the death of father. So Zero Affinity with anyone in the family."
I tried explaining it above, you may ask more if u think it would help.
More info on that may be needed. Jia do take Ji, but Ji isn't fully hers, so what happens there?Brother should be Jia.
He is 3 feb 1987, 9:50 ( I personally believe he is 9th hour, could be 10 not sure, I am just a basic learner)
This should be all that comes from all falling in Chen. But how does that show in real life?Is her mother so controlling that she controls 3/4 of the chart by it falling in Chen?Or something else is going on.
Yes she is extremely controlling, she wants everyone to follow as she says, even the father of the girl, to avoid the stressful conditions use to go silent over matters. She is more "narcissistic personality"
Does her mother have a lot of Resource in her chart(expecting yes)?Not important, though, just curious.
I don't know, even her DOB is doubt full. But what is a resource to mother? She is eldest in her own siblings now and somehow the younger ones do take care of her, and after her husband gone, try to support her. She is even holding on to whats left by her husband.
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I was reading it back... I think my stuff is too messy, currently. Difficult to follow, aeonrel is much cleaner, so will leave it, as its still accurate with aeonrel style there, so better for the topic overall. : )
The other stuff does fit, though, but probably better to use cleaner styles here in the open. : )
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@Gmuli
Owh :( I was hoping that I might get some answers to why's and how's of this chart which I am not able to understand.
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U should continue to ask as much as possible.
However, like a doctor / lawyer, there will be a moment it is best to hire an expert to continue your knowledge journey.
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@Twilight ,
Another Rat around just tried to flirt around, he wanted nothing but has physical attraction towards the girl.
Dropping some info nuggets cos you are trying to learn Bazi:
There are different ways to read Peach Blossoms.
- Fixed defined Peach Blossoms are Rat, Horse, Rabbit and Rooster. Why? Because in terms of their position in the hours of a day, they each represent a transition state. Rat is around midnight, the complete disappearance of Yang and into a fully Yin environment. Rabbit is sunrise, the birth of Yang from a fully Yin environment. Horse is noon, the complete disappearance of Yin and into a fully Yang environment. You is sunset, the birth of Yin from a fully Yang environment.
Because these few zodiac cuts across Yin and Yang, they are seen as having the ability to connect with opposite gender well, hence Peach Blossoms.
BUT, Peach Blossoms are just attractiveness…does not ensure true love, devotion and being responsible to the opposite gender.
- Other ways of defining Peach Blossom is via the Ten Gods. i.e. for females, Direct Officer is affinity with males, for males is Direct Wealth is affinity with females.
yeah i was amazed to see how close you calculated that, but are you saying Hai triggered travel? because obviously the processing went on in Hai month, and Hai is the sky horse too.
I think this website summarizes concisely how to determine the Travelling/Sky Horse for your learning:
https://kenlai.wordpress.com/2022/02/20/meanings-of-travelling-horse-%E9%A9%BF%E9%A9%AC%E7%A5%9E%E7%85%9E%E8%A7%A3/
Yeah exactly, i am of the same view that Zi is somehow neutral, or controversial may be? harming more and supporting less.
Combinations takes precedence over growing, clash, harm, punishment, destruction.
So if Zi appears in Luck or Annual Pillars, the Zi-Chou combine will always go first.
So in a way, Zi is problematic when it appears in time.
But I am not sure if this kind of elemental interaction is allowed across Bazi charts, that's why for compatibility study, I usually decipher each individual's personality via Bazi first, then apply real-world logic to determine compatibility.
umm how could it be so dry? i mean he has a Fire in combination his wealth element, isnt it? so wont that help? and i took this combination important because it is the guy who approached the girl, the guy wants to get married in first place. He wanted her as his wife first. so somewhere he wants a partner a female counterpart.
Maybe I over exaggerated, so it seems more dry than it should be.
No wealth elements means average affinity.
But to a person who wants something more romantic, this may not be enough.
Combination doesn't always mean there will be a transformation. The condition to transform is very stringent, but I am unfamiliar because the 5 element school I use does not look at transformation (you do not apply transformation if you are only looking at snapshot of time because transformation is a like a chemical reaction - it takes time and you only get the end result at the end of the whole thing. In the middle, you only get the combination, but not the transformation, even if you meet the requirements).
nah nah, even she has a mind that life is challenging game and hard times are a crucial part of it, they have to be there to keep it more fun. It is just that she want to breath as her own self now, wants to do what she likes, follow her passion. travel around, excel as entrepreneur, make progress in her life. understand her life path and follow it. This is what she wants now, coz the life till now was more suffocating for her, rewarding her very little for his massive inputs. she felt bounded and like you said "shackles she is bestowed with" she wants to get rid of them now. she has no issues with working hard, she just want to get rid of toxicity around which isnt letting her grow her way.
Then yes, it's all about fire for her.
Since it comes only sporadically in her Annual Pillars, she gotta force it out of herself.
i dont know but i read it somewhere in a way that these elements can be induced like, say water through traveling around, communicating or even starting with journaling. similarly by intaking foods more related to specific elements. I may be totally incorrect but i just asked a question to know if that could work.
I think you got the idea, but avoid the esoteric ones like "wearing red for fire".
Even for food, I would keep that for health related issues.
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A lot of other information which I will digest and reply when I have more time.
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@Twilight ,
- In March 2023, she suffered form sudden throbbing chest pain along with breathing issues, prescribed to be taken to cardiac specialists in emergency. Similar pain happened back in 2008 and mentioned as "anxiety" on reports. But this time it was more swear and after her fathers death it regularly happened for 2 months after 3rd or 4th day or once in weak more specifically in late nights and lasted for 6 -7 hours too.
- Migraine and sleep issues diagnosed in 2005-06 onwards and same pattern repeated after her fathers death, migraine especially hit in May to Sep 2023
- She has hormonal and blood related issues, first diagnosed in 2011, this is a continuous issue she's been dealing with but in her report of 8th oct, out of nowhere her urea level in blood went extremely high.
- Suffered from lower back pain in Aug-Sep 23
- Suffered from swear left shoulder and arm pain Sep 23
- Lost weight after her father demise, which she is never able to do even through diets.
- Everything in doubt was examined and the reports were clear, however I believe she is suffering from Blood infection/ or blood related issues as per her chart. But one thing amazing i noticed that when her urea was diagnosed to go beyond normal levels, she was though talking in a way meaningless to others, but everything she was asked about to verify her memory was 101% accurate. She has an amazing memory, she had perfect visual details of incidents happened even in her childhood. which triggered me to get help for her, because in that condition, her brother making everyone believe that she lost all her mind, took her psychiatrists who mentioned her as extreme depressing case (Acute Behavioural Disorders) which could lead to sudden death. Doctors heard all the story from her brother. But i was noticing her she was all perfect in her memories and understandings and i couldn't get Why her brother was even doing it to her. This all happened for the while month of October starting from 7th Oct. And like i said she was all perfect in her understanding during this time period, I believe it too but no one else is believing her. For everyone she has lost her mind and that she needs care. So now even her passion to leave for some other country is stuck due to her health conditions as well. This is the reason i said that Oct showed her real faces of even close family members. Her aunt somehow is polite and listens to her but even she believes somewhere in her head that the girl has psychological issue which when came into the notice of the girl, she made herself more reserved to herself only.
2023 March is a Mao month in a Mao year, and Mao is reflection of DM.
Whichever day that injure the Mao (drained/clash) also injures the DM directly.
2005 is a Yi wood year in the stem.
Yi also shares same Qi as DM Yi.
So a month that injures Yi in the stem will also injure DM directly.
2006 is probably a continuation from 2005.
May to Sept 2023 (or for any year in fact), is the month of Si fire, Wu fire, Wei earth, Shen metal, You metal - all of which are draining or clashing elements for Wood.
And she is a weak DM, so unsurprisingly her ailments tend to appear on these months.
Especially the metal months as clashing is even worse than draining.
You metal in Sept last until 7th Oct.
2011 is another Mao year again, so a month that injures the Mao will also injure DM directly.
I feel the source of her health problems are largely due to the stress, judging from the fact that most happen during a period where DM is directly injured.
He is 3 feb 1987, 9:50 ( I personally believe he is 9th hour, could be 10 not sure, I am just a basic learner)
City of birth? We can plot then check against what you have said so far to ensure the hour is correct.
Yes she is extremely controlling, she wants everyone to follow as she says, even the father of the girl, to avoid the stressful conditions use to go silent over matters. She is more "narcissistic personality"
This is quite interesting.
Mother should be Indirect Support or Gui Water to chart holder.
Parents are also associated with the Month and/or Year Pillar.
Both pillars are dominated by yin and yang Earths.
Earth controls and is detrimental to Water.
So we can say the mother bears a controlling personality to her detriment (unhappy family).
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Oh Thankyou so much @aeonrel for such detailed explanation, i really appreciate this favour. thank you so much, this explained a lot i didn't know. and by this explanation should i now confirm that i was right in guessing her hour as 3pm? it was 3pm and not 2pm right? let me mention the timeline here
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- Blessed creative mind but gave up on many interests due to discouragement & responsibilities
- Done with all the education & degrees, Schooling: Position holder (till 2004)
- Never appreciated by family, No affinity with them, father: supportive but couldn't support openly, passed away in 2023 Apr
- College time was bit off, lost interest, especially in maths (2004-2006)
- 2006 onwards, close circle is of Males, couldn't get along with females
- 2010 started career & interest developed in Creative learnings, struggling career, hard earned money, never took loans. relationship failures too
- 2015, Invested in partnership, faced huge loss, major financial and emotional setback
- 2017 dec, first ever travel to some other country
- 2020 unplanned event forced to give up on career and focus on responsibility towards mother.
- 2021, change of residence
- 2023 oct sudden events regarding health but sudden recovery too.
In the following months, she will mellow down as the elements will not rock her boat so violently any more.
In fact, from Nov to Jan, water is strong, and water serves as her self-reflection element.
So she would probably think things through during this period and by 2024, she will be back to her usual self.
She now is stable though, but its been all her life that she kept giving up on her own self, her goals and interests. and now she wants to be herself, focus on herself. I was unable to look for anyways through her chart thats why I put up a post here to ask from the experienced people. Her main goals now is to get married in order to have some emotional support and happiness, to redo herself. Secondly she wants to explore the world, travel and learn. She wants to be an entrepreneur, wants to do something extraordinary benefiting others. and she is stuck with all the boundaries set by her mother and with getting married it is really hard for her to escape, especially now when she is being ripped off financially by everyone around. >:(
Since it is a combination with wood (Peer element), I am willing to bet it has something to do with colleagues.
Not really, 2016 was her big financial loss and partnership and the partner was the main culprit (i have mentioned a timeline in other post too). 2020 was about her mother's health, some accident happened and she needed a 24/7 nurse for around like 3-5 months. The chart holder, out of her good was the only one to handle. She was a freelancer, in fact was self-employed at that time, working with her hired employees online and excelling good. But have to put all aside when handed over a responsibility in emergency. :( :(
I wanted to ask about the other chart if that suitor could provide her the support she need.?
Is she going to get any relief out of all this tough life? is there still some better time for her to grow as her real self?
What are her favourable elements or combos to look for?
How about her career and goal? can she still keep moving when she is financially ripped off, and feels bounded by her own family?
Can marriage bring any good compared to the times she still was struggling in?
Thankyou again for the brief details, that really means alot.
I think this year and last year quite 'happening' for her.
like not so good, also 2020 is quite bad. The resource and the wealth
tried to fight with each other whenever it meet.
Not very good relationship with mother also.
2021 was much better for her.
Please confirm