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Title: Tori Spelling-bazi can lie?
Post by: nin99 on November 17, 2025, 05:52:09 AM
This is the case of one Hollywood celebrites that when her father died in 2006 from his 600 milions of dollars he doesn t give her anything.

One theory of bazi tell that for water daymaster the wealth element is fire,and fire în mayis at Peak .why she lost everything!??


Geng ren ding gui
Zi.    Zi.   Si.   Chou

18 may 1973
Title: Re: Tori Spelling-bazi can lie?
Post by: coldpillow on November 17, 2025, 07:49:37 AM
This example is super obvious: Wealth pattern gets broken by resource and robbery combo. The colder it is, the worse it becomes.

Not sure if DO luck cycle (Ji Wei) is the best period for this chart...? @eveereads
 
Title: Re: Tori Spelling-bazi can lie?
Post by: nin99 on November 17, 2025, 08:19:37 AM
This example is super obvious: Wealth pattern gets broken by resource and robbery combo. The colder it is, the worse it becomes.

Not sure if DO luck cycle (Ji Wei) is the best period for this chart...? @eveereads


@coldpillow how you rating her daymaster?

She was rich because if month pillar wealth rooted?
Her father is fire have tomb chou than super rich.
Why she not receive even 1 dollar?
Title: Re: Tori Spelling-bazi can lie?
Post by: nin99 on November 17, 2025, 08:28:27 AM
My chart
Bing gui ren ding
Chen si zi mao
 
Become poor in shen lp in ji zi chou year
You lp very good what is weekend zi lp like you wei qmwu si super good.

Another example
Gui gui gui
Hai hai si

Last example is a person tbat want to buy lukoil.lp like actress lp but structurează is robwealth or friebd structure super strong water born in season with all minth pillar just water that want to see fire lp.

In first example is indirect wealth structure second- and 3 th both rob wealth friend structure

My case is like second-ex.start to understand .some from first and second-.2 in one!
Title: Re: Tori Spelling-bazi can lie?
Post by: nin99 on November 17, 2025, 09:37:25 AM
@coldpillow than back to me.
Lp resource shen bad
Hai and zi robbery stars like first example soeak about 2019 2020.
Than qhen i will see fire just fire like in next ap.and lp than very good to undesrstand.

You read first chart as strong daymaster even born in may?


Ji wei good lp for her!
Title: Re: Tori Spelling-bazi can lie?
Post by: nin99 on November 17, 2025, 09:40:04 AM
Her dawnfall was hai and zi also 2007 2008 also same element s like dm!strange
Title: Re: Tori Spelling-bazi can lie?
Post by: nin99 on November 17, 2025, 01:16:04 PM
This example is super obvious: Wealth pattern gets broken by resource and robbery combo. The colder it is, the worse it becomes.

Not sure if DO luck cycle (Ji Wei) is the best period for this chart...? @eveereads

@coldpillow you read strong daymaster.like 2 gang like in my case water and fire.what destroy water and help fire brings in ream life what water daymaster want!!
Title: Re: Tori Spelling-bazi can lie?
Post by: nin99 on November 17, 2025, 04:28:05 PM
@coldpillow you told about me my chart is cold.the chart of tori spelling is also cold chart!!!??my chart not have resource so why resource lp make me problem an obstacole in all Field if my life if my natal chart don t have resource why so much problem.it s just temporary?

Her father bazi

Yin wood  Bing.   gui
Chou.        Chen.  Hai.

He s chart is direct wealth structure
Title: Re: Tori Spelling-bazi can lie?
Post by: nin99 on November 19, 2025, 06:05:13 PM
@coldpillow @ren you read her daymaster ss strong?

@smsek @2noBody Master @JLim (Darma W),and others what you think???her daymaster can be read as string?

If yes than why she did good in metal lp lost all in fire lp 600 milions from her rich father!
Does fire from useful.god become bad god?

In you lp very good-from her histrot,does this you transform si in another metal element?

If in natal chart is you plus si,or you plus chou agree that become strong metal formation as xin is birth in si and grave in chou ,for example from real life

Rich,famous and with money paul walker,let s speak about his chart

Xin xin gui
Hai you chou
He s metal is in tomb or chou-chou is like chen if zi exist,so chou become another metal element
So when si comebfrom lp in order to protect he s chart si become another metal from si chou you and collapse he s chart

He died in si lp in 2013 another si ap,when si form si chou you-metal formstion,for strong daymasterbis bad news,and si clash hevs daymaster.
Evety strong daymaster like water when meet
Shen zi chen
Or fire
Yin  wu  xu
Or wood
Wei mao hai
Will have problem.during 10 lp if dm is strong aleready.

I put in midle of the columnn uo-the cardinal mao wu you zi-the formation can t transform other element structure like in water frame (zi is core here)when shen become water or dry earth like wei when become another  wood element just if mao exist in the natal.chart.agree with this?
Title: Re: Tori Spelling-bazi can lie?
Post by: eveereads on November 20, 2025, 11:24:54 AM
This example is super obvious: Wealth pattern gets broken by resource and robbery combo. The colder it is, the worse it becomes.

Not sure if DO luck cycle (Ji Wei) is the best period for this chart...? @eveereads

This is an Indirect Wealth structure without Output Stars, meaning Output-generate-Wealth is absent. The Day Master is strong and supported by Peer Stars and roots; therefore, it competes for Wealth. Consequently, the native's domain and possessions gradually diminish.

Since the Luck Cycles move forward into Metal-Water phases, the loss of family wealth and social reputation becomes inevitable. But since the Day Master is rooted and later becomes further reinforced by Yin in Luck, so as an individual, she remains well-off enough to live comfortably.

The Ren-Zi (壬子) stem-branch itself signifies "already possessing wealth," and because the Geng-Zi (庚子) Hour Pillar generates the Ren-Zi Day Pillar, this cannot be considered a poor chart.

During the Wu-Wu (戊午) and Ji-Wei (己未) Luck Cycles in childhood, the Ren and Gui Water experienced the most stable and affluent period of life.

Title: Re: Tori Spelling-bazi can lie?
Post by: nin99 on November 20, 2025, 01:40:42 PM
This example is super obvious: Wealth pattern gets broken by resource and robbery combo. The colder it is, the worse it becomes.

Not sure if DO luck cycle (Ji Wei) is the best period for this chart...? @eveereads

This is an Indirect Wealth structure without Output Stars, meaning Output-generate-Wealth is absent. The Day Master is strong and supported by Peer Stars and roots; therefore, it competes for Wealth. Consequently, the native's domain and possessions gradually diminish.

Since the Luck Cycles move forward into Metal-Water phases, the loss of family wealth and social reputation becomes inevitable. But since the Day Master is rooted and later becomes further reinforced by Yin in Luck, so as an individual, she remains well-off enough to live comfortably.

The Ren-Zi (壬子) stem-branch itself signifies "already possessing wealth," and because the Geng-Zi (庚子) Hour Pillar generates the Ren-Zi Day Pillar, this cannot be considered a poor chart.

During the Wu-Wu (戊午) and Ji-Wei (己未) Luck Cycles in childhood, the Ren and Gui Water experienced the most stable and affluent period of life.



Another case:
My chart!
Bung gui ren ding
Chen si zi mao
Why in ji you lp
2014 meet an hot women
2015 become very rich!because I saw mao or yin wood from 2015 and wei harm zi or robwealth lp than contradictiom is remove.

2016 my wife leave be because shen remove si shen from.annual pillar
2017 ding you many womsn s and money

2018 wu xu yeae xu block zi,combine with mao make alot of money again and remove qll my competition from nwtional examn and bussines ji you lp story

2018 10 december wu shen lp
2019 lost everything
2020 lost again
2021 internal henoragy and final defeated

2022 not so good,but make smqll amount of money 3 dec mother cancer
2025 good till july and september just
Why shen lp bad?!

How will be fire lp?!
1 41 bad xin hai very bad geng xu just 2006 ji you 2014 2015 2018.
Fire lp will help me?
Lost everything my money,power and my name

I have almost same situation with actress up

Gui xin ding
You hai si

Lee murray.look for him.why he robbed the bank of england if he was so rich abd handsome man and complete fighter and bussinesnan when he robes he had milions of euro pound dollars from his fight!if rich why to rob?!

Read his chart.he can t use ding because is clash by xin -so xin and ding can t be acceses by him in branch hai clash si again he can t use fire!how he s chart work!?
He s dawnfall like in same lp with me wu shen lp

Tell me your view @eveereads .you think fire is good!?for all 3 chart s!
Title: Re: Tori Spelling-bazi can lie?
Post by: nin99 on November 20, 2025, 05:56:16 PM
@eveereads

Look at this chart how it s work
Ding ren ren ding
Wei  zi. Yin.  Si

My chart
Bing gui ren ding
Chen si zi mao

Both chart 3 water elements 3 fire 1 earth 1 wood.

Floyd mayweather jr.first chart.
What is his useful.chart.
How you read his father mayweather sr control his life.he s father is wu but his daymaster is ren I am also water but yin daymaster,and my father is Ji or yin earth
Title: Re: Tori Spelling-bazi can lie?
Post by: nin99 on November 20, 2025, 06:22:41 PM
Tori spelling go down in two important ap.and lp first geng shen lp.ap.is wu zi 2008
When she was 27 37 years in 2008,the annual luck pillar was zi or robwealth when her lp.was shen.in the branch shen from lp plus zi from ap 2008 shen zi =strong yjn water=strong robwealth for her,and also shen clash the root of wealth or si

2.second time xin you lp ap 2013 declare zero dollars in her bank account or many debts.
When she enter in xin you lp,this you transform si and chou into another metal element si you chou=metal formstion that make this si not be available to use and this strong fundation of water feed the robwealth inside from her chart and
Title: Re: Tori Spelling-bazi can lie?
Post by: eveereads on November 20, 2025, 07:36:30 PM
I already explained your chart to you through private messages, and I won't repeat myself.
There's no good and bad when it comes to Yin and Yang and the Five Elements. You're looking at them the wrong way. I can't make you see them properly until you're ready, and right now, you're not ready. You're so consumed by your warped theories and emotional turmoil that you can't see things, or yourself, clearly.
Title: Re: Tori Spelling-bazi can lie?
Post by: nin99 on November 20, 2025, 07:45:33 PM
I already explained your chart to you through private messages, and I won't repeat myself.
There's no good and bad when it comes to Yin and Yang and the Five Elements. You're looking at them the wrong way. I can't make you see them properly until you're ready, and right now, you're not ready. You're so consumed by your warped theories and emotional turmoil that you can't see things, or yourself, clearly.

As wu good and bing,than why lost the control of big empire,and so many lawsuits with my fafher.i think everything start from 2019 whrn shen arrive.strong body shen zi chen destroy the source of big money mao plus hai.this is the another theory that i think.and second tgat wu can t help me because wu pkus gui is water,if was fire wu plus gui bring my women and money in my life.Is like work work notjjng happen.hope 2026 will be the best lkke 2015.hope just
Title: Re: Tori Spelling-bazi can lie?
Post by: nin99 on November 21, 2025, 06:39:34 AM

When a certain DM is born in a certain month, without other useful gods, then only RobWealth structure can be considered

The month DM is born must be of th same element of the DM

DM.        Month
Jia           Yin
Yi.           Yin and Mao
Bing.        Si
Ding.        Si and Wu
Wu.         Si or any of the Chen Xu Chou Wei, when the dominant DHHS falls under earth
Ji.            Si and Wu or any of the earth month when DHHS is earth, same like above
Geng.       Shen
You.         Shen or You
Ren.         Hai
Gui.         Hai and Zi

For the ones listed below, it is considered YangRen structure which is different from JianLu,

Jia in Yin, Bing in Wu, Wu in Wu, Geng in You, Ren in Zi.

Some practitioners earth has no YangRen but that is really subjective.

The other element in the month command does not protrude or move (meaning combine in the EB).

Eg if Jia is born in Yin with protruding Bing, it is regarded as Indirect Seal structure, Protruding Wu is regarded as Indirect Wealth structure. When both are absent and another Jia protrudes, then it is considered RobWealth structure.

原文:建禄者,月建逢禄堂也,禄即是劫。
JianLu, is where the month (of birth) sees the 'Salary Hall' (can be regarded as a type of ShenSha), Lu equals to Jie (Rob Wealth).

或以禄堂透出,即可依以用者,非也。
Or if Salary Hall protrudes in HS, then it can be relied on and be used, no, that is not the case. 

故建禄与月劫,可同一格,不必加分,皆以透干支,别取财官煞食为用。
Thus, JianLu and Month RobWealth are one structure, there is no need to separate them, even if they protrude in HS, take others such as Wealth, Officer, Devil or Food as Use (the useful god)


原文:禄格用官,干头透出为奇,又要财印相随,不可孤官无辅。
For Lu structure that uses Officer, Officer protruding in the HS must be accompanied by Wealth and (or) Seal to be a good structure, a solitary Officer without assistance is not good.

有用官而印护者,如庚戌、戊子、癸酉、癸亥,金丞相命是也。
Using Officer while being protected by Seal such as

Gui    Gui     Wu     Geng
Hai    You     Zi       Xu

Chart of prime minister Jin

有用官而财助者,如丁酉、丙午、丁巳、壬寅,李知府命是也。
Using Officer and is assisted by Wealth

Ren      Ding      Bing      Ding
Yin        Si          Wu        You

The chart of Governor Lee (approximation of the title of nobility)

原文:有官而兼带财印者,所谓身强值三奇,尤为贵气。
When there is Officer and is accompanied by Wealth and Seal, Self is strong and it is regarded as SanQi (the three wonders), this is specially a very noble Qi.

三奇者,财官印也,只要以官隔之,使财印两不相伤,其格便大,如庚午、戊子、癸卯、丁巳,王少师命是也。
SanQi is Wealth, Officer and Seal. Officer must be in between Wealth and Seal so the two do not injure each other; this structure is much bigger, such as

Ding     Gui      Wu      Geng
Si         Mao     Zi         Wu

The chart of Grand Preceptor Wang

*Note, The Grand Preceptor, The Grand Tutor and The Grand Protector are collectively known as the Three Excellencies 三公 in ancient China. They are the highest (True first) rank (正一品) any government officer can attain.

原文:禄劫用财,须带食伤,盖月令为劫而以财作用,二物相克,必以伤食化之,始可转劫生财,如甲子、丙子、癸丑、壬辰,张都统命是也。
When Lu or Rob Wealth uses Wealth, it must carry Food or HO, as the month command is Rob Wealth and the chart uses Wealth, the two elements counter each other, thus the outputs are necessary to solve this, they transform RobWealth into Wealth. Such as

Ren     Gui       Bing      Jia
Chen    Chou     Zi         Zi

The chart of General Zhang (都统 'loosely - general' was the among highest rank (一品) in military service in Qin dynasty)

原文:至于化劫为财,与化劫为生,尤为秀气。
As for transforming RobWealth to Wealth, it transforms disaster into an opportunity, that is especially elegant Qi.

如己未、己巳、丁未、辛丑,丑与巳会,即以劫财之火为金局之财,安得不为大贵?
Such as

Xin     Ding     Ji      Ji
Chou   Wei     Si      Wei

Chou and Si combine, that turns the fire that is RobWealth into the Metal structure that is Wealth, how is it not greatly noble?


所谓化劫为财也。如高尚书命,庚子、甲申、庚子、甲申,即以劫财之金,化为生财之水,所谓化劫为生也。
For transforming Rob Wealth int Wealth, such as

Jia       Geng        Jia        Geng
Shen     Zi          Shen        Zi

The RobWealth which is metal, is being transformed into water (that engenders Wealth).
that is the chart of Secretary Gao (The Qin government had 6 departments, each department head is sort of like a secretary)

原文:禄劫用煞,必须制伏,如娄参政命,丁巳、壬子、癸卯、己未,壬合丁财以去其党煞,卯未会局以制伏是也。
RobWealth uses 7K, must be restrained, such as

Ji     Gui     Ren      Ding
Wei  Mao    Zi         Si

Ren combines away Ding (Wealth), which is protecting 7K while Mao and Wei combines to restraint 7K, the chart of high minister Lou

原文:至用煞而又逢财,本为不美,然能去煞存财,又成贵格。戊辰、癸亥、壬午、丙午,合煞存财,袁内阁命是也。
As for 7K that meets Wealth, is originally not good, but to (combine) away 7K and leaves Wealth, it becomes a noble structure.

Bing    Ren     Gui       Wu
Wu       Wu     Hai       Chen

7K is combined and Wealth is left, the chart of Cabinet minister Yuan

原文:其禄劫之格,无财官而用伤食,泄其太过,亦为秀气。
For RobWealth structure that has neither Wealth nor Officer but uses Food or HO to exhausts the over(ly strong DM), it is also considered elegant Qi

唯春木秋金,用之则贵,盖木逢火则明,金生水则灵。
Only for Wood born in Spring and Metal born in Autumn, using this is considered noble, as wood meets fire is bright, metal engenders water is soulful.

如张状元命,甲子、丙寅、甲子、丙寅,木火通明也;。
Like this guy's chart who got the first place in the imperial exam

Bing     Jia      Bing       Jia
Yin        Zi       Yin        Zi

又癸卯、庚申、庚子、庚辰,金水相涵也
and 

Geng     Geng      Geng     Gui
Chen      Zi          Shen     Mao

原文:更有禄劫而官煞竞出,必取清方为贵格。
Also, there are charts where both Officer and 7K are protruding. They (DO or 7K) have to be cleared to be regarded as noble

如一平章命,辛丑、庚寅、甲辰、乙亥、合煞留这也
Such as

Yi      Jia      Geng      Xin
Hai    Chen   Yin       Chou

7K is combined away and DO is left

;如辛亥、庚寅、甲申、丙寅,制煞留官也。

Bing     Jia      Geng     Xin
Yin      Shen     Yin       Hai

7K is being restraint and DO is saved


原文:倘或两官竞出,亦须制伏,所谓争正官不可无伤也
Or, if two DO are protruding, they must also be restrained. As in the saying 'Competing Officers must be injured'

原文:若夫用官而孤官无辅,格局更小,难于取贵,若透伤食便不破格。
If the structure uses DO and DO is without assistance (without Wealth or Seal), it becomes a small structure (low ranking), difficult to be regarded as noble, if HO or Food are protruding, it is regarded as broken structure.

然亦有官伤并透而贵者,何也?
But there are cases where DO is used and HO protruding that is noble, why?

如己酉、乙亥、壬戌、庚子,庚合乙而去伤存官,王总兵命也。
Such as

Geng     Ren     Yi      Ji
Zi           Xu     Hai     You

Geng combines away Yi to leave save Officer, the chart of General Wang (True second rank 正二品 )

原文:用财而不透伤食,便难于发端,然干头透一位而不杂,地支根多,亦可取富,但不贵耳。
Use Wealth but the outputs are not protruding, it is very difficult to be successful. If one is protruding in the HS and is not 'messy' while having many roots in the EBs, that can be regarded as wealthy but not noble.

原文:用官煞重而无制伏,运行制伏,亦可发财,但不可官煞太重,致令身危也
Use Officer or 7K but without restraint, when Luck Pillars go to restraint, one can also become wealthy, but the Officers should not be too heavy, as that endangers Self.

@eveereads

I re read your private message you told that wu is useful god.if wu is useful god why decline when see wu from wu shen lp.
If wu is good than why wu xu ap was super gpod by lp was ji you.

This chart must see bing =useful god and what hurt s bing will hurt daymaster.we speak theoretical.let s see you!
Title: Re: Tori Spelling-bazi can lie?
Post by: eveereads on November 21, 2025, 08:40:46 AM
In the Jian-Lu structure, the Proper Officer serves as the Corresponding Spirit, the Proper Seal functions as the Useful God, and the Proper Wealth, which restrains that Seal, is regarded as the Unfavorable Spirit.
For a Jian-Lu chart to take Wealth as its Useful God is, in effect, to invite its own undoing.

The difficulties you experience during Officer Luck arise because you're undergoing the necessary trials to cultivate the qualities befitting someone born under the Jian-Lu structure. Yet, relying on Peer Stars and strong roots, you have only been competing for Wealth, seeking the easier path rather than accepting the discipline required.

From the Five-Element perspective, being born in the month of Zi means you ought to refine yourself through the Metal-producing-Water cycle—cultivating learning, skill, prestige, and position. Instead, you have been behaving as though it were high summer, with Bing and Ding Fire overly dominant, leading to haste and disorderly conduct.

May I ask whether you truly understand the meaning of Gui Water having strong Bing Fire without Geng Metal?
Gui Water without Geng Metal is like a person with nothing substantial to show, calling out through Bing Fire, “Please look at me! What do you think of me?”—essentially begging for the attention of others. This is precisely the state you find yourself in now. Given that, do you truly believe it is correct to insist that the very Bing Fire, which exposes such inadequacy of yours, is your Useful God?

When a certain Luck cycle becomes difficult, it's because one lacks the capacity to shoulder the energy of that cycle. Enduring such hardship and using it as an opportunity to recognize what one has neglected becomes the very means through which one can grow.
Do you know why Geng-Zi and Xin-Chou years felt so burdensome?
It's because you were insufficiently prepared and empty within, and time itself sternly admonished you: “Stop posturing and begin filling yourself from within.”

When time offers you such lessons and you remain unaware, what use is there in debating which Luck was favorable or unfavorable?
Even if good Luck arrives, you cannot grasp it because you're preoccupied with competing for Wealth, unable to discern what is truly important, spending your hours scattering unsolicited comments across others’ forums.

Title: Re: Tori Spelling-bazi can lie?
Post by: nin99 on November 21, 2025, 09:52:00 AM
In the Jian-Lu structure, the Proper Officer serves as the Corresponding Spirit, the Proper Seal functions as the Useful God, and the Proper Wealth, which restrains that Seal, is regarded as the Unfavorable Spirit.
For a Jian-Lu chart to take Wealth as its Useful God is, in effect, to invite its own undoing.

The difficulties you experience during Officer Luck arise because you're undergoing the necessary trials to cultivate the qualities befitting someone born under the Jian-Lu structure. Yet, relying on Peer Stars and strong roots, you have only been competing for Wealth, seeking the easier path rather than accepting the discipline required.

From the Five-Element perspective, being born in the month of Zi means you ought to refine yourself through the Metal-producing-Water cycle—cultivating learning, skill, prestige, and position. Instead, you have been behaving as though it were high summer, with Bing and Ding Fire overly dominant, leading to haste and disorderly conduct.

May I ask whether you truly understand the meaning of Gui Water having strong Bing Fire without Geng Metal?
Gui Water without Geng Metal is like a person with nothing substantial to show, calling out through Bing Fire, “Please look at me! What do you think of me?”—essentially begging for the attention of others. This is precisely the state you find yourself in now. Given that, do you truly believe it is correct to insist that the very Bing Fire, which exposes such inadequacy of yours, is your Useful God?

When a certain Luck cycle becomes difficult, it's because one lacks the capacity to shoulder the energy of that cycle. Enduring such hardship and using it as an opportunity to recognize what one has neglected becomes the very means through which one can grow.
Do you know why Geng-Zi and Xin-Chou years felt so burdensome?
It's because you were insufficiently prepared and empty within, and time itself sternly admonished you: “Stop posturing and begin filling yourself from within.”

When time offers you such lessons and you remain unaware, what use is there in debating which Luck was favorable or unfavorable?
Even if good Luck arrives, you cannot grasp it because you're preoccupied with competing for Wealth, unable to discern what is truly important, spending your hours scattering unsolicited comments across others’ forums.

1.bing is very good.why ti have geng if saw geng in the stem a d it s bad 2010 2020
2 .spending your hours scattering unsolicited comments across others’ forums.
This is not my behaivour,think you wrong person!It was vice versa ,true!
3.very disciplinate person again you are wrong.unprepared what a joke 2 medical specialization onology and clinical pharmacology...the problem arruve sfter lawsuit with my father it was better for me to study something else.it was live in prisson but in freedom never gsve the right to study or to do what I want
4.Please look at me! What do you think of me.I am not this type of person again wrong:) bevause in reality isn t this behaivour-hope we can speak openely!look at many gui daymaster without resource not geng or xin without metal this become very fampus.
Look at this chart
Gui jia wu
Chou zi wu

The lp are just officer wealth and out I know another 4 chart s will fjnd it with full 4 pillars also gui dm born in zi but witout resource:)
Title: Re: Tori Spelling-bazi can lie?
Post by: coldpillow on November 21, 2025, 10:01:53 AM
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Title: Re: Tori Spelling-bazi can lie?
Post by: nin99 on November 21, 2025, 10:07:13 AM
@eveereads so without geng!!!!!
Viceversa very lucky that i don thave geng.
You read shen as geng element??

Look.at this chart
Bing gui geng ding
Chen chou xu si
Bank robber

Another bank robber
Gui xin ding
You hai si

Bing for gui=ding for ren
Ding ren ren ding
Wei zi yin si
You think him neet attention of others .if no geng than sure xin!what type of school are you?anywqy thank you for your time and opinion.if see geng in stem in 2020 why bad!!lp wu shen wu feed ap or geng wu from lp.
Every shen was bad
2004 being robbed by others
2016 also
2020 geng also in the stem
2010 also

Good yin wei 2015
Here saw nobmeman or mao and zi try ti broke my mao but wei in branch harm my zi.so the contradiction is remove!!!!real case from my real life!!!!!!



begging for attention is not wrong:) wherever I went I attracted attention! here I really didn't get it right with either attention or discipline:)

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Post by: nin99 on November 21, 2025, 09:42:45 PM
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In the Jian-Lu structure, the Proper Officer serves as the Corresponding Spirit, the Proper Seal functions as the Useful God, and the Proper Wealth, which restrains that Seal, is regarded as the Unfavorable Spirit.

@eveereads

I have a question. How do you read Ren-Ding combination (month and year stems) in his chart?

Does it remove an element, transform into a new element or have totally different meaning?

Other than that, I won't take him seriously. Poor guy has been rummaging through the internet, sending private messages to active users, muddling over the same thing for at least 5 years. T___T

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@coldpillow
Combine but not transform!!!!!!
Solid pillar ren zi allow to.combine but not to transform.

If
Ren ding
Yin mao ,then yes ...season support ren plus ding=jia,combine plus transform

Ren ding
Zi     Mao=combine

Ren ding
Yin mao=combine plus transform,tell you for sure!

@coldpillow
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and the Proper Wealth, which restrains that Seal, is regarded as the Unfavorable Spirit. For a Jian-Lu chart to take Wealth as its Useful God is, in effect, to invite its own undoing.


Seles had some very low moments and humiliating losses, all of them have one thing in common: seal and wealth appear together in stems without DO/7K. 

When DO/7K appears in any stem, she can push harder for a win.

She actually performed better without seal during Bing Yin luck cycle. Still a Top 10 player, but her result was nowhere as godlike as the previous luck cycle (Yi Chou). The decline was evidently seen from her struggle to maintain fitness and ideal weight.

Her natal chart contains no wealth, so I think it helps her limit the negative influence from Bing Yin luck cycle.


Monica Seles's chart is different from nin99's in terms of the main pattern.
She's primarily Bi-Jie, with her Luck Cycles moving forward into Shishang and Cai. This means that she did not follow her role as a Jian-Lu structure, so in her case, it's unnecessary to consider her structure.
I only mentioned nin99's structure because:
1. He's visibly competing for Wealth in the Heavenly Stems, which is no-no for the Jian-Lu structure.
2. His Luck Cycles went backward, putting him on a path of Seal and Officer, the two most important elements of the structure. Thus, his life has been shaped somewhat similarly to that of a Jian-Lu. Had his Luck Cycles gone forward, the main pattern of his chart would have become Shishang-generating-Wealth and he would have pursued a business major, instead of medicine.

Seles's victory in the 1992 US Open is something I need to think about because it's a result of what she had been doing according to her chart, not an instant combination of the letters in her chart and Luck Cycle with those of the Luck of that day. Especially, Officer-generating-Seal isn't something that can be achieved instantly; it takes at least thirty years for the Officer's energy to reach the Seal. (This also coincides with your question about the Ding-Ren combination. The Stem combinations take much longer than a generation or control cycle. My teacher said it's something that at least three generations of a family must carry it on to achieve any viable result. In a person, Ding-Ren simply refers to their thought process. While Bing-Gui gathers facts and deduces a conclusion from them, Ding-Ren gathers facts based on a conclusion that they've already made. This is because Ding-Ren precedes the latter part of the Twelve Branch cycle, while Bing-Gui covers the former.)

Lastly, I think Seles's decline and fitness issues during the Bing-Yin period are due to her chart generating toward the Yi Wood through the Wood triad in the Branches. Yi Wood grows when it meets Bing Fire. Yi Wood is naturally round and soft, and when it meets Bing Fire, it inflates like rising dough. This causes weight issues, among other things. To maintain an ideal shape and weight, it needs Xin Metal combined with Ji Earth. I don't think she gained a lot of weight during that time, though, considering she was born during the cold Water peak season.

Title: Re: Tori Spelling-bazi can lie?
Post by: coldpillow on November 26, 2025, 06:11:44 AM
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Post by: eveereads on November 26, 2025, 08:58:11 AM

Yes, Seles chart contains seal and hurting officer. No wealth at all.

Nin99 chart contains wealth and eating god. No seal at all.

Even if the comparison is not exactly similar, I can see how:
- Seles chart is set up to achieve the best result with Officer and Seal
- Nin99 chart prefers to work with Shi-Shang, not Officer and Seal ---> this is evident from his tendency to look for shortcuts and unwavering desire to make big profit on his own terms.
- Seal vs Wealth in stems are the worst.

In the context of mutual generation and mutual control, one should focus primarily on the Heavenly Stems, not the Branches. The effects of the Branches occur regardless of human intention or effort. This is true for the Heavenly Stems as well, since they govern the social circumstances beyond our control. But the Stems also represent one's mind and life-long aspirations, and thus have a far greater likelihood of manifesting than the Branches. That is why the Heavenly Stems are crucial when determining one's structure, for structure reflects one's social role. Conversely, the Branches in social contexts represent the people around us, not the self.

He keeps asking everyone whether to choose business or academic path in the last 5 years. Yesterday he told them about studying medicine, today is radiology, tomorrow is oncology, rinse and repeat.

I'm not sure what he's actually doing, but it's clear that his desire isn't supported by current circumstances (luck cycle) and he appears to lose touch with reality.   

The first 20 years of his luck cycles is a big red flag: Seal vs Wealth. Definitely bad for his unprepared self, leading to daddy issues and chronic depression.

Did he tell you about the drama with his rich father yet? This is how their bazi charts influence each other: https://bazi-calculator.com/?licz=1&y=1987&m=12&d=10&h=06%3A00&g=0&l=0&lon=-37.8136&y2=1949&m2=7&d2=18&h2=6%3A00&g2=0&l2=0

Nin99's Hour Pillar is Bing Chen, not Yi Mao, at least according to him.
He's probably doing okay career-wise, but not so much personally because the Gui Day Master is not supported by Geng Metal or protected by Ji Earth. Gui Water needs Geng Metal to stay pure and wise and Ji Earth to maintain its form. Without either, it disintegrates, especially when the Yang energy is strong, as it has been since 2024, and it will only get worse. Fortunately, his chart forms the Water triad, and his current Luck Cycle is Wu-Shen, which completes the Water triad and helps him maintain his sanity.

His father has an Indirect Officer structure, protected by a strong Indirect Seal against the powerful Eating God. He is a successful man and a stern father. In his eyes, his son lacks many qualities.

Title: Re: Tori Spelling-bazi can lie?
Post by: coldpillow on November 26, 2025, 09:36:01 AM
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Post by: eveereads on November 26, 2025, 09:45:06 AM
His father is a very meticulous person who doesn't allow a single mistake to go unchecked because of the Yin Earth-producing-Metal cycle in the Fire peak season. He's also a very busy man, who has to shoulder almost the entire generation cycle, from Wood > Fire > Earth > Metal. He was given a son of the Water peak season to compensate his lack of Water. But as is the case with everyone who doesn't study Mingli, people take what they have for granted and belittle it, which creates a rift between those who are supposed to love each other.

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Post by: coldpillow on November 26, 2025, 09:55:11 AM
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Post by: eveereads on November 26, 2025, 10:08:41 AM

When it is intermittently controlled by Seal and meeting Direct Officer on different days, months, and years, the structure is refined, and it will reflect on her performance.

Each generation cycle has to be innate and consistent, for at least twenty to thirty years, to show any viable results. Generations and controls that come and go with luck changes don't mean much except in emotional context because, unless they're in your chart, you forget them and can't retain them. Your chart is like your body and frame; it's preserved and protected against external energy. For something to be seen, it must already be under your skin.
In my opinion, Seles was a pure powerhouse, with nothing but Bi-Jie in the Heavenly Stems and three roots in the Branches, and she focused her overflowing energy on the Hurting Officer triad, which shone during Yi Chou. To her, Yi Chou also meant the Hurting Officer breaking the existing Direct Officer and creating a new order.
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Post by: coldpillow on November 26, 2025, 10:31:50 AM
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Post by: eveereads on November 26, 2025, 08:07:32 PM


Seles did have a problem with binge eating disorder. Not really disciplined with food when alone, outside the court and professional support system.

She only spent 1 year on the tour before breaking through the rankings in 1989 (Ji Si). Officially became the youngest ever No. 1 player in March 1991 (Xin Wei).

And then instantly fell on 30 April 1993, when she got stabbed by a psychotic tennis fan.

She was absent for more than 2 years after the incident, indulging herself with food.

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Yeah, that's why one needs Pian Guan in the Heavenly Stems (in the Hour or Month Stem) for self-discipline. Bi-Jie without an Officer is a sand castle waiting to collapse for similar reasons. Even though I didn't really know who she was, just from her chart, I suspected she didn't last long in her field.

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Post by: ren on November 27, 2025, 02:33:27 AM
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Post by: ren on November 27, 2025, 05:21:39 AM
Hey Coldpillow,

I got the names wrong. I was referring to Monica Seles chart.

Thanks,

ren
Title: Re: Tori Spelling-bazi can lie?
Post by: 2noBody on November 27, 2025, 03:41:42 PM
She got 800k bucks. Because her mother was in charge of the money. Candy Spelling. Tory Spelling's Bazi card could not affect the money situation in any way if she was not in charge of the situation. We need to look at the situation more broadly and see all the cards of Bazi involved. Her son Liam received a $10 million trust.

They have the same day Gods - it's a competition. That's why they're fighting.
Title: Re: Tori Spelling-bazi can lie?
Post by: Ragdoll on November 29, 2025, 10:52:57 PM
This is the case of one Hollywood celebrites that when her father died in 2006 from his 600 milions of dollars he doesn t give her anything.

One theory of bazi tell that for water daymaster the wealth element is fire,and fire în mayis at Peak .why she lost everything!??


Geng ren ding gui
Zi.    Zi.   Si.   Chou

18 may 1973

Simply by looking at the Si-Chou combination, which transforms into the metal resource in Tori Spelling's theme, we understand that it is her mother who is depriving her of her father's enormous inheritance, represented by the Ding Si pillar in the month.

And that is how the Ding fire becomes weaker because the Si earth branch in the month, on which it sits, becomes metal through combination with Chou in the year, but the Si fire remains strong in summer. Hence the 800,000 dollars she received as inheritance.
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Post by: coldpillow on November 30, 2025, 03:01:19 AM


And that is how the Ding fire becomes weaker because the Si earth branch in the month, on which it sits, becomes metal through combination with Chou in the year, but the Si fire remains strong in summer. Hence the 800,000 dollars she received as inheritance.

Yes. Her father died in 2006, during her You Metal luck cycle, which completes the Metal triangular combo.

She only received 800,000 but her reckless financial decisions were also known to the public. If her net worth is smaller during Metal luck cycle, I wonder how much higher is her net worth during Ji Wei (Officer) luck cycle?

I believe she's actually set for life by 30 if she's a bit more frugal with her lifestyle.
Title: Re: Tori Spelling-bazi can lie?
Post by: nin99 on December 01, 2025, 06:13:37 AM
This is the case of one Hollywood celebrites that when her father died in 2006 from his 600 milions of dollars he doesn t give her anything.

One theory of bazi tell that for water daymaster the wealth element is fire,and fire în mayis at Peak .why she lost everything!??


Geng ren ding gui
Zi.    Zi.   Si.   Chou

18 may 1973

Simply by looking at the Si-Chou combination, which transforms into the metal resource in Tori Spelling's theme, we understand that it is her mother who is depriving her of her father's enormous inheritance, represented by the Ding Si pillar in the month.

And that is how the Ding fire becomes weaker because the Si earth branch in the month, on which it sits, becomes metal through combination with Chou in the year, but the Si fire remains strong in summer. Hence the 800,000 dollars she received as inheritance.
@Ragdoll where is earth is fire!si plus chou not transform into metal:)you are wrong!
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Post by: nin99 on December 01, 2025, 07:47:30 PM
This is the case of one Hollywood celebrites that when her father died in 2006 from his 600 milions of dollars he doesn t give her anything.

One theory of bazi tell that for water daymaster the wealth element is fire,and fire în mayis at Peak .why she lost everything!??


Geng ren ding gui
Zi.    Zi.   Si.   Chou

18 may 1973

Simply by looking at the Si-Chou combination, which transforms into the metal resource in Tori Spelling's theme, we understand that it is her mother who is depriving her of her father's enormous inheritance, represented by the Ding Si pillar in the month.

And that is how the Ding fire becomes weaker because the Si earth branch in the month, on which it sits, becomes metal through combination with Chou in the year, but the Si fire remains strong in summer. Hence the 800,000 dollars she received as inheritance.

@Ragdoll
if chou you =metal
si you=metal
si chou remain same element

shen zi chen if zi is present all tra.sform into water,if just shen chen than remain shen chen-or metal earth
chou you si if you all metal

xu wu yin if just xu yin than remain xu earth dry and jia from yin if wu then fire all 3 elememtw
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Post by: Ragdoll on December 02, 2025, 01:45:45 PM
This is the case of one Hollywood celebrites that when her father died in 2006 from his 600 milions of dollars he doesn t give her anything.

One theory of bazi tell that for water daymaster the wealth element is fire,and fire în mayis at Peak .why she lost everything!??


Geng ren ding gui
Zi.    Zi.   Si.   Chou

18 may 1973

Simply by looking at the Si-Chou combination, which transforms into the metal resource in Tori Spelling's theme, we understand that it is her mother who is depriving her of her father's enormous inheritance, represented by the Ding Si pillar in the month.

And that is how the Ding fire becomes weaker because the Si earth branch in the month, on which it sits, becomes metal through combination with Chou in the year, but the Si fire remains strong in summer. Hence the 800,000 dollars she received as inheritance.
@Ragdoll where is earth is fire!si plus chou not transform into metal:)you are wrong!

This is the case of one Hollywood celebrites that when her father died in 2006 from his 600 milions of dollars he doesn t give her anything.

One theory of bazi tell that for water daymaster the wealth element is fire,and fire în mayis at Peak .why she lost everything!??


Geng ren ding gui
Zi.    Zi.   Si.   Chou

18 may 1973

Simply by looking at the Si-Chou combination, which transforms into the metal resource in Tori Spelling's theme, we understand that it is her mother who is depriving her of her father's enormous inheritance, represented by the Ding Si pillar in the month.

And that is how the Ding fire becomes weaker because the Si earth branch in the month, on which it sits, becomes metal through combination with Chou in the year, but the Si fire remains strong in summer. Hence the 800,000 dollars she received as inheritance.

@Ragdoll
if chou you =metal
si you=metal
si chou remain same element

shen zi chen if zi is present all tra.sform into water,if just shen chen than remain shen chen-or metal earth
chou you si if you all metal

xu wu yin if just xu yin than remain xu earth dry and jia from yin if wu then fire all 3 elememtw




Xin     Ding     Ji      Ji
Chou   Wei     Si      Wei

Chou and Si combine, that turns the fire that is RobWealth into the Metal structure that is Wealth, how is it not greatly noble?

https://treybazi.blogspot.com/2018/02/bazi-zpzq-jianlu-yuejie-robwealth.html

You quoted Treybazi without mentioning the name of his blog, and Treybazi himself says that the combination of the fire Si with the earth Chou can produce metal, for the simple reason that the branch of Si is where metal grows and the earth Chou is the tomb of metal. So the combination of Si with Chou can produce metal like the combination Chou-You, and also Ding Si - Ding You in Governor Li's theme, even without the heavenly stems. The second reason why the combination Chou - Si can produce metal, like Si - You, and like You - Chou, is because they are part of the three harmonies of metal.

@eveereads  and @coldpillow  are both right, you ask too many questions and often try to compare your chart to others', without understanding that you actually have the structure of Jian Lu as @eveereads  explained to you and that competing for short-term wealth is not good for you. She says that below :

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In the Jian-Lu structure, the Proper Officer serves as the Corresponding Spirit, the Proper Seal functions as the Useful God, and the Proper Wealth, which restrains that Seal, is regarded as the Unfavorable Spirit.

I have a brother, among several, who has the same configuration as yours, with a Jia daymaster born in the month of Jia Yin, which is a Jian Lu structure, and he has many seals in his bazi chart. Since he entered the cycle of Geng Xu luck and then Ji You luck, he has done the opposite of what he should have done, i.e. competing for money and making short-term profits with a rotten investment, including being in conflict with women and unnecessary lawsuits, which has caused him a lot of problems, instead of working seriously and avoiding conflicts, avoiding women who are not part of his family, as the officer/7K cycle required him to do, exactly what his old friends advised him to do. And he refused to listen to his old friends and so on, he lost a lot of money and friends because of it.

From the Mangpai's point of view, having a lot of wealth without having the officer or seals to protect it is unfortunately bad. In Mangpai, it is not strong wealth with a weak master of the day that makes you rich; in fact, it is the opposite: it makes you poor. The master of the day must be strong enough to manage strong wealth. The tombs of wealth and output are also useful, as are officers. I am not going to reveal everything on this subject, since you spend your time contradicting others, including me, telling them they are wrong, without listening to what we have to say.

And they are also right that you are not ready to understand the techniques of Bazi Mingli as long as you keep contradicting us without listening to us. I'm done with you on this subject, and I don't think I'll be talking to you in the future, given how disrespectful you are to certain users of this forum by telling them they're wrong in Bazi, myself included.
Title: Re: Tori Spelling-bazi can lie?
Post by: Ragdoll on December 02, 2025, 02:17:26 PM


And that is how the Ding fire becomes weaker because the Si earth branch in the month, on which it sits, becomes metal through combination with Chou in the year, but the Si fire remains strong in summer. Hence the 800,000 dollars she received as inheritance.

Yes. Her father died in 2006, during her You Metal luck cycle, which completes the Metal triangular combo.

She only received 800,000 but her reckless financial decisions were also known to the public. If her net worth is smaller during Metal luck cycle, I wonder how much higher is her net worth during Ji Wei (Officer) luck cycle?

I believe she's actually set for life by 30 if she's a bit more frugal with her lifestyle.

@coldpillow

Please forgive me for my mistake. Upon rereading, I did not mean to refer to the Si branch, which is combined with Chou to produce metal. It is the Ding fire sitting on the fire branch, Si, which is very strong at first but becomes weaker because the Si branch is combined with Chou to become metal. The Ding fire, which is strong at the beginning, becomes weak and has its strong fire roots cut off by the combination of metal, because it was Tori's mother who cut off her access to the greater wealth left by her father. We see here the logic of roots being cut off or strengthened by a combination, and this is what makes Tori Spelling's Bazi chart so interesting.

However, even though Ding's fire has its roots cut off by the Si-Chou combination, which becomes metal, it still remains somewhat strong because Tori was born in the summer, when fire is powerful, so she still received $800,000, which is not an insignificant inheritance.

Finally, I learned something interesting elsewhere in the Mangpai, that heavenly stems are weaker than earthly branches, which are stronger at retaining wealth. This may explain why it is not good for wealth to be revealed, especially without roots to retain it, as it can be taken away by unexpected expenses, which can lead to debt or poverty, as in the case of Tori Spelling, who lost a lot of money.

We can therefore understand that wealth is better protected in the earthly branches and in the hidden earthly trunks. And even better if it is hidden in the hour or the day.

In the case of nin99, he has problems because his Wu Shen luck pillar is combining with Gui Snake in his day pillar, which transforms the branch Si into water ( Peer Star ), meaning that his wealth is being taken by someone else. This is already the case this year in 2025, and it will not be any better with the wealth revealed in the heavenly stems in Bing and Ding in 2026 (Bing Wu) and 2027 (Ding Wei) in his Wu Shen luck.
Title: Re: Tori Spelling-bazi can lie?
Post by: nin99 on December 02, 2025, 02:51:30 PM
no one speaks in contradiction with you! any opinion I have argued. rob wealth or ren cannot steal 2 ding s just like shen lp- shen cannot destroy 2 si! this year was the year of the fire snake-it went excellently for me! unexpectedly well-after so many disastrous years! that is also my fault because I was too obedient and obedient I used my intuition what mind I have and how much I worked - I certainly wouldn't have ended up in a desperate situation! that's what I need if I only listened to what I was told! my fault!

wish you all the best @Ragdoll
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Post by: Ragdoll on December 02, 2025, 03:14:05 PM
no one speaks in contradiction with you! any opinion I have argued. rob wealth or ren cannot steal 2 ding s just like shen lp- shen cannot destroy 2 si! this year was the year of the fire snake-it went excellently for me! unexpectedly well-after so many disastrous years! that is also my fault because I was too obedient and obedient I used my intuition what mind I have and how much I worked - I certainly wouldn't have ended up in a desperate situation! that's what I need if I only listened to what I was told! my fault!

wish you all the best @Ragdoll

Of course you do, you contradict me and you contradict others when you tell us that we're completely wrong in our posts, and you try to impose your own point of view about what happened for you and unsolicited comments on other topics started by other people, except that it's not Bazi Mingli, it's obvious. That's also why @eveereads doesn't want to come back on this forum and discuss with you.

From my experience with my brother, who has Ji earth in the heavenly stems with a Jia Daymaster and a Peer in his HS, one Peer and Robwealth can steal money when wealth is revealed in the HS without being combined/removed/clashed by another stronger heavenly stem, and I know that he has lost a lot of money in his wealth luck.

It's the same for a branch that combines, destroys or clashes with wealth can cause money to be lost, particularly in Bazi charts of sibling rivalry, such as that of Tori Spelling, yours, and my brother's, which are glaring examples of how wealth is detrimental to this type of Bazi chart. I am not the one saying this; Professor Lily Chung and Jerry King also discuss it most eloquently in their books.

I already had this experience of losing money in 2023, but it was less serious than for you because I had the Si-You combination in my bazi, which reduced the violence of the clash between Gui Mao and Ding You, and also because You was in my earthly branches and Gui in my hour, clashed my Rob Wealth, and I still had regular income even though it had decreased.

Think about everything @eveereads  has told you on this topic, and she's right: you're not ready to learn Bazi Mingli or Mangpai. Have a safe journey.
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Post by: coldpillow on December 02, 2025, 05:47:41 PM
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Post by: nin99 on December 02, 2025, 06:36:26 PM
no one speaks in contradiction with you! any opinion I have argued. rob wealth or ren cannot steal 2 ding s just like shen lp- shen cannot destroy 2 si! this year was the year of the fire snake-it went excellently for me! unexpectedly well-after so many disastrous years! that is also my fault because I was too obedient and obedient I used my intuition what mind I have and how much I worked - I certainly wouldn't have ended up in a desperate situation! that's what I need if I only listened to what I was told! my fault!

wish you all the best @Ragdoll

Of course you do, you contradict me and you contradict others when you tell us that we're completely wrong in our posts, and you try to impose your own point of view about what happened for you and unsolicited comments on other topics started by other people, except that it's not Bazi Mingli, it's obvious. That's also why @eveereads doesn't want to come back on this forum and discuss with you.

From my experience with my brother, who has Ji earth in the heavenly stems with a Jia Daymaster and a Peer in his HS, one Peer and Robwealth can steal money when wealth is revealed in the HS without being combined/removed/clashed by another stronger heavenly stem, and I know that he has lost a lot of money in his wealth luck.

It's the same for a branch that combines, destroys or clashes with wealth can cause money to be lost, particularly in Bazi charts of sibling rivalry, such as that of Tori Spelling, yours, and my brother's, which are glaring examples of how wealth is detrimental to this type of Bazi chart. I am not the one saying this; Professor Lily Chung and Jerry King also discuss it most eloquently in their books.

I already had this experience of losing money in 2023, but it was less serious than for you because I had the Si-You combination in my bazi, which reduced the violence of the clash between Gui Mao and Ding You, and also because You was in my earthly branches and Gui in my hour, clashed my Rob Wealth, and I still had regular income even though it had decreased.

Think about everything @eveereads  has told you on this topic, and she's right: you're not ready to learn Bazi Mingli or Mangpai. Have a safe journey.

@Ragdoll so you know, in case you didn't know. 10 years is a lot for a lp? in 10 years even if the favorable luck is very good there will be 3 to 4 very bad years. again if a lp has unfavorable luck 10 years will be 3 to 4 good years.

what school of thought do you represent?

@Ragdoll ok
to be what you want to be!
Title: Re: Tori Spelling-bazi can lie?
Post by: Ragdoll on December 02, 2025, 06:39:10 PM
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Finally, I learned something interesting elsewhere in the Mangpai, that heavenly stems are weaker than earthly branches, which are stronger at retaining wealth. This may explain why it is not good for wealth to be revealed, especially without roots to retain it, as it can be taken away by unexpected expenses, which can lead to debt or poverty, as in the case of Tori Spelling, who lost a lot of money.

We can therefore understand that wealth is better protected in the earthly branches and in the hidden earthly trunks. And even better if it is hidden in the hour or the day. 


From what I know concerning wealth ---> Stems = wealth is seen. Branches = wealth is hidden yet stable. Wealth tomb/storage (Chen-Xu-Chou-Wei) = lots of wealth.

But I still don't grasp the meaning of clashing a tomb vs clashing a storage.

Tori shares the same birthday with this person: https://bazi-calculator.com/?licz=1&n=Acu%C3%B1a%2C+Jason&y=1973&m=5&d=16&h=19%3A15&g=1&l=10.23&src=1&rr=AA

A very successful entertainer with dwarfism, Jason Acuna. He has a wealth storage in hour branch.

@coldpillow

I agree with that, at least that's what Lily Chung and Jerry King said in their books on Bazi.
Title: Re: Tori Spelling-bazi can lie?
Post by: nin99 on December 02, 2025, 07:55:25 PM
rich sucffesful.bussines woman

bing yin wood ren.    ji
xu.   mao        shen. .si

another case pavel durov,he s money in chou or metal tomb or storage this ie for you @Ragdoll  tomb=storage!same think!chou is  fully clash and control.by xu fire tomb and strong robwealth pillars bing wu.

bing ding jia jia
wu.  chou xu zi

A tomb is consider open or make the big when is clash=full control!!
Title: Re: Tori Spelling-bazi can lie?
Post by: nin99 on December 02, 2025, 08:11:31 PM
https://bazi-calculator.com/?licz=1&n=Durov%2C+Pavel+Valerevich&y=1984&m=10&d=10&h=13%3A20&g=3&l=30.15&src=1&rr=A

enter in jail an pay 5 milions of euro for his freedom.in Paris,France.
Title: Re: Tori Spelling-bazi can lie?
Post by: ren on December 03, 2025, 12:43:56 AM
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But I still don't grasp the meaning of clashing a tomb vs clashing a storage.
Tomb, Storage, Graveyard, all are the same. The context used will change somewhat.

Generally, an element gets entombed when it appears with its tomb / storage.
The earth tomb is said to “Get” or “Possess” the entombed element and its image / action in the chart.

A tomb is closed when it meets a Liu He – six combination. The contents of the tomb are in “Storage” and are not available.
A tomb is opened by a clash, harm, or punishment. The contents of the tomb become available.

ren
Title: Re: Tori Spelling-bazi can lie?
Post by: ren on December 03, 2025, 12:50:58 AM
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Title: Re: Tori Spelling-bazi can lie?
Post by: nin99 on December 03, 2025, 06:05:37 PM
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As I currently read things, Tori Spelling natal chart indicate money issue. If you read interviews with Tori and of her mother, she never learned finance discipline and had uncontrollable spending habits from a very young age. The mother did not give Tori a large inheritance as she knew Tori would blow it.

IMHO, the issues with her chart is the Ren Ding combination and the Ding Gui clash.
The Zi, Zi, Chou combination enclosing Si, is also problematic. The Zi Chou and Si involve the husband. So the husband and wife have money issues. I believe since the main issue is in the stems – money is on display, lavish lifestyle and spending (partying, real estate etc.).

In my opinion, Jason Acuña most likely also leads a lavish lifestyle. But he has 7K - Xu (wealth tomb) in the hour. The wealth tomb is open (due/2 Ding Gui clash). He also had very favorable LP’s during his initial exposure to money making opportunities. Thus, even though the party animal lifestyle, he made some smart moves and business investments.

ren


@ren
this chart how yiu read
xin xin gui ding
mao.si mao you
rich or poor?

and this
gui wu jia
si.  chen wu
Title: Re: Tori Spelling-bazi can lie?
Post by: coldpillow on December 04, 2025, 05:42:11 AM
These are the closest looking charts to nin99:

- https://bazi-calculator.com/?licz=1&n=Trikonis%2C+Gus&h=00%3A30&d=1&m=01&y=1938&l=-74.0&src=1&g=-5&ds=&s=&rr=A
- https://bazi-calculator.com/?licz=1&n=Jacobson%2C+Colton&h=09%3A00&d=17&m=12&y=1997&l=-96.48&src=1&g=-6&ds=&s=&rr=A

Gus Trikonis was once married to Goldie Hawn and eventually divorced due to stark difference in social status ---> filmink.com.au/unsung-auteurs-gus-trikonis/

Colton Jacobson was a Youtube artist, possibly carried by Bieber hype back then. When I read his last published interview (Feb 2013), I notice a few peculiar similarities to nin99 ---> coltonjacobson.com/press
 
I guess he's now working for a global law firm. There's no official confirmation other than a Linkedin profile with his name and photo.
Title: Re: Tori Spelling-bazi can lie?
Post by: nin99 on December 04, 2025, 06:27:29 AM
These are the closest looking charts to nin99:

- https://bazi-calculator.com/?licz=1&n=Trikonis%2C+Gus&h=00%3A30&d=1&m=01&y=1938&l=-74.0&src=1&g=-5&ds=&s=&rr=A
- https://bazi-calculator.com/?licz=1&n=Jacobson%2C+Colton&h=09%3A00&d=17&m=12&y=1997&l=-96.48&src=1&g=-6&ds=&s=&rr=A

Gus Trikonis was once married to Goldie Hawn and eventually divorced due to stark difference in social status ---> filmink.com.au/unsung-auteurs-gus-trikonis/

Colton Jacobson was a Youtube artist, possibly carried by Bieber hype back then. When I read his last published interview (Feb 2013), I notice a few peculiar similarities to nin99 ---> coltonjacobson.com/press
 
I guess he's now working for a global law firm. There's no official confirmation other than a Linkedin profile with his name and photo.


@coldpillow thank you for show your intresting!
but is chou no punishment zi mao
mao is also my eg.
i was when wei come like 2003 when had aaa at my svhool degree or 2015 when make big big money have good time,maybe because mao is protected by zi
i look again at this chart
gui xin ding
you hai si
he can t use fire because ding is remove by xin,si by hai-also notice that every chart that have nobleman like my chart is si and mao when they meet a clash or harm in order to bring succes they brings just chaos in life.

thank you again.cm
think when zi is clash is good for me
Title: Re: Tori Spelling-bazi can lie?
Post by: coldpillow on December 04, 2025, 07:23:29 AM
I find it very peculiar that Colton is interested in medical field and business, just like nin99.

He eventually chose a law school to blend his multiple interests.

He's apparently working for a law firm that primarily focuses on the business side of health and life sciences.

Bazi interpretation aside, maybe nin99 should take an inspiration or two from Colton.
Title: Re: Tori Spelling-bazi can lie?
Post by: nin99 on December 04, 2025, 09:23:25 AM
I find it very peculiar that Colton is interested in medical field and business, just like nin99.

He eventually chose a law school to blend his multiple interests.

He's apparently working for a law firm that primarily focuses on the business side of health and life sciences.

Bazi interpretation aside, maybe nin99 should take an inspiration or two from Colton.
thank you @coldpillow,i'm sorry i was born in this family.i never had the right to learn what i want in ji you lp.
wu shen lp i failed because shen zi chen formed strong water.strong water frame and the source of money is mao face chou-grid of the one born in 1997,so 2019 hai mao i was going to make a lot of money,hai mao=strong wood,shen zi chen arrive,so the strong body shen zi chen destroyed the source of money mao-hai.

2.how do you analyze the direction of a building stand with your back to the main door or face it and note the opposite direction.if i put an aquarium in sw and i had the apartment destroyed it is 2 3 or 9 5.s1 the era of 7 shows 9 5 se 3 shows 2 3.i think se 3 with 2 3.i think it's also a disastrous feng shui.


Title: Re: Tori Spelling-bazi can lie?
Post by: nin99 on December 05, 2025, 06:26:44 PM
@coldpillow

why
yin. wood jia wu bing
hai. shen.      xu.  shen
the date on divorce

when see any annual pillar will go down easily
or thise date

geng wu ding jia
shen. shen chou shen

the dob when I was rob.
anyway 2025 as @JLim (Darma W) say meet an women re contact her 2 days before her birthday
her chart
bing yin wood ren ji
xu.   mao. shen   si

she told me that she not trust in me...judge me.not so happy life,my mother will die soon stage 4 bevause of shen,clash everyday with my father.
i never killed anyone just want to be free...next year enter in university to teach others medicine-it s a chance but not my way or choosen like before

@coldpillow
what you think about this person
bing geng bing
xu.     zi.     yin
he replace me after I helped him like he sabotage me.shouldn t help him.should fimd my true way.

not so great.
anyway @JLim (Darma W) Master ,Jlim told me that I will meet a young lady close to my age.it s not so great relation.it s work very hard with her.she judge and punish me.sad story of life!