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Library => Liu Yao => Topic started by: duesouth on March 02, 2026, 11:23:17 PM
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Hi all,
Please find attached my pdf-ed translation of Zengshan Buyi (ZSBY) Chapters 4 to 11:
? Chapter 4. Mixed Heaven Jiazi 渾天甲子章第四
? Chapter 5. Six Relations Song 六親歌第五
? Chapter 6. Subject, Object 世應章第六
? Chapter 7. Moving Transforming 動變章第七
? Chapter 8. Useful God 用神章第八
? Chapter 9. Useful God, Source God, Fearful God, Hateful God 用神。元神。忌神。仇神章。第九
? Chapter 10. Source God, Fearful God, Declining(s)-Prosperous(s) 元神忌神衰旺章第十
? Chapter 11. Five Elements Producing 五行相生章第十一
I apply the following translations of Liuyao terms (see ZSBY-0 pdf on terminology):
Gods
? Advancing God 進神 jin shen
? Fearful God 忌神 ji shen
? Flying God 飛神 fei shen
? Hateful God 仇神 chou shen
? Hidden God 伏神 fu shen
? Retreating God 退神 tui shen
? Source God 元神 yuan shen
? Useful God 用神 yong shen
Seasonal strength
? Dead(s) 死 si
? Declining(s) 衰 shuai
? Prosperous(s) 旺 wang
? Resting(s) 休 xiu
? Supported(s) 相 xiang
? Trapped(s) 囚 qiu
?(s)? = seasonal strength
Six Relations
? Brother-Sister 兄弟 xiong di. ZSBY shortform: ?兄? (elder brother). Strictly speaking, it translates as ?brothers.
? Father-Mother 父母 fu mu. ZSBY shortform: ?父 (father). It can be translated as ?parents?.
? Literary Works 文章 wen zhang. Alternate term for Father-Mother line.
? Officer-Ghost 官鬼 guan gui. ZSBY shortform: ?官? (officer) or ?鬼? (ghost).
? Six Relations 六親 liu qin. Also called: Six Relatives.
? Son-Daughter 子孫 zi sun. ZSBY shortform: ?子? (son). Strictly speaking, it translates as ?children? or ?descendant?.
? Wife-Wealth 妻財 qi cai. ZSBY shortform: ?財? (wealth) or ?妻? (wife).
Subject-Object
? Object 應 ying. Also called: Corresponding, opponent, other, outcome.
? Subject 世 shi. Also called: Asker, host or self.
Cheers
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1.4 > 9 at Chen month and Wu Shen day.
予曰。此卦辰土。未土戌土。三重父母爻。當擇其旺者而用之。今辰土父母臨月建。
卽用辰土爲用神。目下病重者。乃因申日。沖寅木而暗動。木動以剋辰土。
I said: ?This gu??s Ch?n earth, W?i earth, Xū earth are three Father-Mother lines. Should
select the prosperous one as Useful [God]. Now, Ch?n earth Father-Mother is at Month
Builder, so take Ch?n earth as Useful God. At present, illness is serious, because Shēn
day clashes Y?n(t) wood [for the latter] to be Secretly Moving. Wood moving to counter
Ch?n earth [causing illness].?
彼問曰。卦中午火發動。寅木雖則暗動。反生午火而生土。卜書云。忌神與元神同
動。得兩生也。今止曰寅木剋辰土。不曰午火生辰土。何也
He asked: ?Gu??s Wŭ(h) fire is moving. Y?n(t) wood although Secretly Moving, contrarily
produces Wŭ(h) fire which produces earth. Divination books say: When Fearful God and
Source God together moving, will both be producing. So far, you said Y?n(t) wood
counters Ch?n earth but did not say Wŭ(h) fire produce Ch?n earth. Why??
予曰。午火雖動。化出未土。午與未合。午火貪合。不生辰土。所以此辰土。單受寅
木之剋。不得午火之生。故此病體沈重。
I said: ?Wŭ(h) fire although moving, it changes into W?i earth. Wŭ(h) and W?i combine.
Wŭ(h) fire desire to combine, not produce Ch?n earth. Therefore, this Ch?n earth, alone
by Y?n(t) wood countered. It cannot obtain Wŭ(h) fire?s producing. Thus, the disease is
serious.?
Zēngshān Bǔy? Chapter 9. Useful God, Source God, Fearful God, Hateful God
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須待丑日。沖去未土。而午火無合可貪。午火生土。其災退矣。
?Must wait for Chŏu day to clash out W?i earth. Then Wŭ(h) fire has not the desire to
combine. Wŭ(h) fire produces earth. The calamity will be relieved!?
Thank you, I think its nice there are translations accessible in the open so people can figure out what are we talking about this whole time ...
Will continue the initiative of trying to provide some different view to it, that is more logical now... Based on what people have figured out as rules of how the system is operating, since then that I'm familiar with. That isn't lack of respect, for the original text, I view it as the opposite, but its focus on developing further, as he did a great work in getting the system available to people, makes sense to continue that instead of clinging to what was known by then... So respecting what he was trying to do, instead of respecting the very literal and specific techniques that were used back then, that were not very developed at the time. As I'm sure if he had access to better techniques he wouldn't hesitate to use them, as developing the system is where the key is for all of us, I hope.
In this specific case above, in my humble view he got the Useful God wrong. The timing very right, but not for the stated reasons.
Self line is broken by the month. Its supported by the Officer line, so it can show someone that is sick, but seems able to overcome it and survive.
Other line is incredible strong, only weaken by the hidden moving Yin line, that is incredible weak, its weak in the month, its broken by the day, so this isn't "hiddenly moving line" that can empower anything, this is a broken line, it doesn't do much in this state. Yet even if we think Yin is very strong for some reason, it will weaken both parent lines, so again Self line would be in much, much worse state.
As it doesn't make sense the son is in worse situation then his father for this question, the Self can not be the son or the diviner, it had to be the father.
That we can also assume from the fact the system doesn't show any important info between the 2 lines, to give him separate line as well.
In my humble view he got the rest of the reading wrong as well. The day of recovery , is not because when Wei is clashed the line can turn back to Wu and start supporting him, but its because the Wu and Wei lines show inner severity that is empowering him, but that is what leads to the sickness. more on that below. Chou clashes Wei away, bringing the water that is less restricted and more care free, and the father is getting better.
Timelines becomes:
Wu<>Wei<>Xu - he is worse here, peak of severity
Hai <> Zi - he is starting to feel less restricted, more open and start to return yet as the water is still restricted by by Wei and the fire and earth lines are still turning to each other, so still not fully visible.
Chou clashes Wei away, a lot of Earth supporting him, yet that support only makes the inner severity more strong, and him sicker. That is there the whole time, but now also the line showing his freedom as Water is finally fully accessible from the base of the whole hexagram/situation at line 1.
Can we say more then... Why is he unwell... Well it would have to be a guess here, as we don't know the situation or what is playing a role in it etc. But one possible explanation(there are countless more) with Chen being in line 3 suggests plans at home. With Chen hiding joy and freedom, restricted by the environment of the branch itself, we can guess the father at home was seeking in some way to be more independent or that for a member of his family, yet his inner values as Officer/Fire didn't allow him to reach that. He is potentially clashing the line of this plans, the plans with the Water within seemed to be pointing to that. So some plans for the family, possibly, that the father was against as he wanted too be more strict and to diminish the freedom of the water that was needed at the time. And with the moving fire line that idea of severity is empowered by that, although not fully, and happen without him able to join, as Wu and Wei already combine with each other so out of reach. The Officer line as that severity is also the problem then, it empowers him, but in that create illness, coming from being too severe so is the key to his illness. As they open up to the family with Chou and the severity of the fire deminish then is clashed away by Chou making all even colder(free and open instead severe), that problem washes away as well.