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... Dear Liu yao members
Try to evaluate your knowledge by deciphering on this Case ....
After some time I will give the answer from Wild Crane's Old man book ...
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Hi Tientai, this is a difficult case. Yong Shen is Offspring line Shen Metal. But since the question is about his wife, we we must also look at the Wife line.
How many wives does he have? I see there are two, Second line Hai and Fifth line Zi. He may not be able to get a child from the first wife, due to Month Break, and this line is entombed in Chen.
He has better chance from the second wife, which is strong by Day, because she is Zi and Day is You. Zi changes into Shen, the Offspring line, and is produced by Shen. But the child will not come so soon, not the same year. Xu changes to Wu, and Wu clashes Zi.
I asked about how many wives because this case is in ancient China, so a man can have more than one. If this hexagram is asked in another country today, perhaps having many wives is not allowed.
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ANSWER OF QUIZ 9--
余曰：克过正妻否？
Yu said: Did you not live with your noble Wife?
彼曰：仍是结发。
He said: as soon as she is productive.!!!!
余曰：伤过正妻，方能存子。
Yu said: if her injury is corrected, only then she is capable to make children.
盖以内卦亥水之财，即为正妻，破而被克；五爻子水之财，乃为再娶，变出申金子孙，必生子也。
Congealing inside the lower Gua the Wife /wealth Hai water in the 3d moving yao that changes to [Chen earth Brother yao that return back to ] break and subdue the original this is considered as a main wife ; the 5th Zi Wife /wealth moving yao, be as your 2nd Wife, when this yao changes to Offspring Shen metal, certainly she will give you a child.
但五爻子水，亦被戌土之克，虽化长生，而兼酉日之生，不免多病。卯年占，巳年而正妻死，即于冬月续娶，申年得子，而因产成疾矣。
But 5th Zi Wife /wealth moving yao, is subdued by the [4th yao ] Xu earth, even if going to transform to Long Life (Yin - wood - Chang Sheng -12 life Stage), and at the same time You metal of the day product this [5th Zi yao] , inevitable there will be many illnesses, is observed to happen on Mao wood year, on Si year is [ destined ] your noble [first] wife to be died, when the winter month [Zi water] you can remarry, in Shen metal year you obtain a son, and with this birth any sickness will vanished.
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TIENTAI
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Interesting, Tientai!! So indeed as I saw in the hexagram, he should expect a child not from the first wife, but the second wife.
盖以内卦亥水之财，即为正妻，破而被克；五爻子水之财，乃为再娶，变出申金子孙，必生子也。
Concealing inside the lower Gua the Wife /wealth Hai water in the 3d moving yao that changes to [Chen earth Brother yao that return back to ] break and subdue the original this is considered as a main wife ; the 5th Zi Wife /wealth moving yao, be as your 2nd Wife, when this yao changes to Offspring Shen metal, certainly she will give you a child.
Note that "Break" refers to the Month Break or 破Po. It's not the break due to Chen line.
但五爻子水，亦被戌土之克，虽化长生，而兼酉日之生，不免多病。卯年占，巳年而正妻死，即于冬月续娶，申年得子，而因产成疾矣。
But 5th Zi Wife /wealth moving yao, is subdued by the [4th yao ] Xu earth, even if going to transform to Long Life (Yin - wood - Chang Sheng -12 life Stage), and at the same time You metal of the day product this [5th Zi yao] , inevitable there will be many illnesses, is observed to happen on Mao wood year, on Si year is [ destined ] your noble [first] wife to be died, when the winter month [Zi water] you can remarry, in Shen metal year you obtain a son, and with this birth any sickness will vanished.
I think it should be "due to this birth this wife will develop an illness"
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Thanks Tientai and JLim. This particular case and its hexagram are quite logical / easier to understand.
Note that "Break" refers to the Month Break or 破Po. It's not the break due to Chen line.
Line 4 is Hai and month is Si, so Si break / Po Hai, not clash?
但五爻子水，亦被戌土之克，虽化长生，而兼酉日之生，不免多病。卯年占，巳年而正妻死，即于冬月续娶，申年得子，而因产成疾矣。
But 5th Zi Wife /wealth moving yao, is subdued by the [4th yao ] Xu earth, even if going to transform to Long Life (Yin - wood - Chang Sheng -12 life Stage), and at the same time You metal of the day product this [5th Zi yao] , inevitable there will be many illnesses, is observed to happen on Mao wood year, on Si year is [ destined ] your noble [first] wife to be died, when the winter month [Zi water] you can remarry, in Shen metal year you obtain a son, and with this birth any sickness will vanished.
Does Hai entombed in Chen means her health is weak by any chance?
How does Mao / Officer as other line related to the main analysis or it's not relevant?
Thanks,
Vince
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Line 4 is Hai and month is Si, so Si break / Po Hai, not clash?
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How does Mao / Officer as other line related to the main analysis or it's not relevant?
Dear vng ..
You mean line 3 is Hai and agree with @JLim is on Month Break with Si fire ...
Mao /officer Self first line is in Liu he with Other Xu 4th line ... so is related with 2nd wife indirectly .. the occurring day branch is clashed Mao and break this Liu he .... moreover there is out of empty days with this break ..
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Dear @Dao ...
Thanks for your amazing explanation ... is so detailed analysis in every step that hit up to the point ...
Thank you Master @JLim from your correction in translation... without your watching I missed the right meaning ... please feel free to correct envy elusions in translation. ..
.. of course your pesiphering was unique on Quiz 9 ... very helpful to keep it in our studies ... thank you ...
TIENTAI
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Line 4 is Hai and month is Si, so Si break / Po Hai, not clash?
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How does Mao / Officer as other line related to the main analysis or it's not relevant?
Dear vng ..
You mean line 3 is Hai and agree with @JLim is on Month Break with Si fire ...
Mao /officer Self first line is in Liu he with Other Xu 4th line ... so is related with 2nd wife indirectly .. the occurring day branch is clashed Mao and break this Liu he .... moreover there is out of empty days with this break ..
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Thank you @Tientai. I think I got it now.
Vince
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12 palaces for Yongshen Water : chang sheng Shen EB, mu yu You EB etc…
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Note : WWG and Zwds Earth Qi phase ‘chang sheng ’ Qi phase 1 begin in Shen EB, muyu You etc..
Earth ‘xiang’ ready in Fire month & ‘chang shen’ Qi phase 1 in Shen EB.
Metal ‘chang shen’ Qi phase 1 in Si EB month, qi phase 4 shen EB, qi phase 5 you EB, favourable.
Winter month water is favourable for second wife which got strength…
Dear Dao ...
I think that on the Note : where is the red shade " Earth " could be " water ".... how do you see it ??
Thanks anyway..
TIENTAI
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Dear @Dao ...
Thank You so much ... is something new for me ... this happens only for Chang Shen tables: Earth Qi phase..?
This principle is valuable for 4 Tombs ? ( Chou , Chen , Wei , Xu ) ?
The 12 Qi phase can be applied in WWG with anti clockwise rotation ?? ... or only to Bazi fate calculations ?
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TIENTAI
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it s interresting that the answer of this quiz is that the first wife will die and he will remarry and have second wife with child.
JLim interpreted that he has two wives and second will have child. I would also interpret like that. How can we differenciate between , he already have 2 wives and the second give her child, with a tottally different outcome that he have one wife and remarry to get a child from this second wife ?
For me I would have interpret that there is two female , and one of them can be pregnant . It can include that he have mistress , as I don't know . I wouldn't assume if it s his wife or not, and even less assume that one of them will die and he remarry and have a second wife.
What do you think ?