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Library => Bazi => Topic started by: Gmuli on July 25, 2019, 01:40:30 PM
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We use often the idea of gangs and the idea of "ours/theirs".
While Ours/Theirs have very clear and nice explanations in forums, the explanation of gangs seems to be a lot more unclear.
I've seen 3 ideas about gangs and I was curious of how other members here think of this.
So looking at translations around and what we can see from other members one idea is that the gangs are made in similar way to Ours/Theirs division. From Self(Rob Wealth and Friend) with Seal/Resource(Direct/Indirect).
That is set against with Wealth and Officer.
Output can be on each side.
Basically making them same as "Ours/Theirs" concept.
Wet and Dry earth are different gangs, depending on DM.
Chou will belong to the cold gang in any case.
Using this Water and Wood can make a gang.
Another idea is that they are made based on the elements.
Cold gang:
Water/Metal/Wet Earth
Hot Gang
Wood/Fire/Dry Earth.
Using this we can't have a gang of Water/Wood.
(as water will be part of the cold gang, while wood will be part of the other one)
Using this Resource can also end up in the other gang. But that is in the higher approach as well(as dry Earth will be Resource for Metal and still in the other gang).
Another approach would be similar to DTS, where the idea is that Gangs are formed based on nearby elements that produce or is same as elements nearby it. In that sense if we get water and wood near each other it will form a gang because of proximity. Usually with some movement needed for it to "get coherent".
In all of these situations, however, resource isn't necessarily part of DM gang, as again the example of Metal and Wet earth. However, in some Water and make gang with Wood, while in others it can not...
Looking at the old Puppy examples I can't find example where the gang was Water/Wood. (so DM was Wood and there was text about gangs). I also can't see explanation of what "gang" is, we can see its grouping of elements, we can see distance maybe doesn't matter(although that may be up to phrasing) and we can see its used a lot seemingly with connection to Ours/Theirs. But that seem to be it.
I think only, Fireoperator seemed to be using the second approach where the gangs are somewhat set by itself and we just see what falls where...
I'm wondering of what members think here.
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To me ganging branches is quite straightforward, 2 dry earth, 2 Wet earth and 2 for each element, Fire, Wood, Metal and Water. When it comes to Wood stems, if there is generally too much water, then it belongs to wood/water gang. If there is a lot of fire, it belongs to fire/wood gang.
Earth stems are also problematic, like for example Yin Earth on top of the Rooster, is it dry or wet earth? In that case we have to observe the entire chart.
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Water-Wood gang: in my opinion, this Ren DM below has a chart with strong Water-Wood gang.
(http://fivearts.org/fileserver/images/2019/07/29/image.png)
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Interesting chart, I remember that Kampusch case. Can’t figure out what caused the kidnaping, in 1998 she was in Gui Chou LP, and as far I can see, with all that wood she should be one controlling. Wood also represents her freedom, but it’s not damaged or controlled.
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Been checking a lot of charts lately... Yea, it seems to work(Water/Wood).
This one seems to have as well:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bacary_Sagna
Football, so team sport, can't really say the "performance" is "obtaining people", so yea, him and the team together are creating something. Then the "work" is probably in the hour...
Day Month Year
Gui Jia Gui
You Yin Hai
Yet, how would You Metal fit into that... IR there suggest that it all starts with his skills, then his performance and other people, giving a big group of Metal>Water>Wood, but that doesn't make much sense as a gang...
Now, lets say we had Si in the hour... Then Hai would work(clash),then You would as well(Si<>You), depending if we want to include the Harm we can say Yin would too...
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Ronaldo is a quite good example of Wood and Water working together, obtaining Earth (wealth). A lot of body and team work.
DM
Ji Yi Wu Yi
Mao Hai Yin Chou
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Ronaldo is a quite good example of Wood and Water working together, obtaining Earth (wealth). A lot of body and team work.
DM
Ji Yi Wu Yi
Mao Hai Yin Chou
What would the working gods be in that situation? : )
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I would add
Yin ÷ Chou form a hidden combination also ..
Chou as tomb of Yin (Seal) metal is closed .. !!
.. or not revealed !!.. has something to do of his character ?.. i just guessing ..
Tt.
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I would add
Yin ÷ Chou form a hidden combination also ..
Chou as tomb of Yin (Seal) metal is closed .. !!
.. or not revealed !!.. something to do of his character ?.. i just guessing ..
Tt.
That makes sense. Yin working god with An He.
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Water-Wood gang: in my opinion, this Ren DM below has a chart with strong Water-Wood gang.
(http://fivearts.org/fileserver/images/2019/07/29/image.png)
And what does the strong gang do? The Water-Wood gang controls Wu and Chen (both Earth).
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Water-Wood gang: in my opinion, this Ren DM below has a chart with strong Water-Wood gang.
(http://fivearts.org/fileserver/images/2019/07/29/image.png)
And what does the strong gang do? The Water-Wood gang controls Wu and Chen (both Earth).
Would mean she and something she will create(Self and Output) will obtain (probably international) authority from the Officers in the year, I guess. Does it fit... I don't know, the info in wikipedia isn't a lot for her life after the water falling in Chen.
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Hi @Gmuli .. all
i have the same opinion with you ... !!
tt
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She wrote a book after she got free (wood is her output) and gained quite a lot of fame which she is milking now :-)
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She wrote a book after she got free (wood is her output) and gained quite a lot of fame which she is milking now :-)
Ohh, then it fits I guess.