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Library => Bazi => Topic started by: JLim (Darma W) on September 28, 2019, 08:38:15 AM
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Here is some fundamental theory in Mangpai, very useful to learn:
Solid Unstable Solid Unstable
甲甲甲 甲甲甲 己己己 己己己
寅辰子 申戌午 巳未丑 亥酉卯
乙乙乙 乙乙乙 庚庚 庚庚庚庚
亥卯未 巳酉丑 申辰 子午寅戌
丙丙丙 丙丙丙 辛辛 辛辛辛辛
寅午戌 子申辰 丑酉 巳亥未卯
丁丁丁 丁丁丁 壬壬壬 壬壬壬
巳卯未 亥丑酉 申子辰 戌午寅
戊戊戊 戊戊戊 癸癸癸 癸癸癸
戌午辰 子申寅 亥酉丑 巳未卯
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Hi Jlim, I'm surprised to see 庚 子 as a stable pillar, wouldnt metal be exhausted by producing water?
Also I wonder about 辛 巳, but considering that Snake has Yang Metal I guess that could work. Just I think if the chart is too hot that this Yang Metal won't be able to provide much support.
Did you change your mind on these two pillars because I remember getting different info from you, few years ago?
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Hi Jlim, I'm surprised to see 庚 子 as a stable pillar, wouldnt metal be exhausted by producing water?
You're right, thank you :). I have corrected the table. It was an editing issue. After copying that here, I had not readjusted the spacing correctly.
However, the table in the course manual and the library section of the Mangpai course had been correct.
Also I wonder about 辛 巳, but considering that Snake has Yang Metal I guess that could work. Just I think if the chart is too hot that this Yang Metal won't be able to provide much support.
The reason is that Yang Metal in Si is seen as weak to provide support for Xin.
Did you change your mind on these two pillars because I remember getting different info from you, few years ago?
Short answer is no.
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ah great, and you are welcome :-)
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Yeah, remember seeing this chart @info website. Still trying to get a better understanding & using the infor. I know it could be used as a strength of theDM. Yet, there might be other usage that I have yet figure out. Thanks for sharing everyone.
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I actually did quite a lot of research on this topic, that's why I noticed immediately the error in @JLim 's post ;D
For example, if you have unstable Cai, it doesn't represent wealth, but artistic and communication abilities.
I'm putting together a page with more info about it. I call these unstable stems a Supertalents, because they provide to people some unusual, and often very extrovert qualities. Please bear in mind that this is work in progress and descriptions are just very raw ideas of what each unstable pillar represents.
Maybe @JLim can throw few corrections ;-)
https://talenthero.io/supertalents/
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I'm going to check them out later. I'll also throw in a curve ball at you. U probably focus u thoughts on a single pillar. What if two pillars were conjoin. R they now weak or strong & will u interpretation / meaning change?
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well yes, one has to always look the entire chart and how useful that unstable stem is. I'm actually working on an algorithm to do just that. It's tricky but doable.
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Here is some fundamental theory in Mangpai, very useful to learn:
Solid Unstable Solid Unstable
甲甲甲 甲甲甲 己己己 己己己
寅辰子 申戌午 巳未丑 亥酉卯
乙乙乙 乙乙乙 庚庚 庚庚庚庚
亥卯未 巳酉丑 申辰 子午寅戌
丙丙丙 丙丙丙 辛辛 辛辛辛辛
寅午戌 子申辰 丑酉 巳亥未卯
丁丁丁 丁丁丁 壬壬壬 壬壬壬
巳卯未 亥丑酉 申子辰 戌午寅
戊戊戊 戊戊戊 癸癸癸 癸癸癸
戌午辰 子申寅 亥酉丑 巳未卯
Great info. How do we start using them for bazi reading?
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Well, here r my thoughts: to measure wealth. To measure each pillar reactions to other pillars within the chart. To measure reactions to LP pillar & AP.
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A weak DM that isn't afraid of self & others. HS level, best my moment might be when LP & AP is also weak/unstable. Sorry, not too familiar with EB analysis.
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Here r my other guesses:
Gangs are Metal & Water versus Earth, Wood & Fire. Still Metal not rooted has to work extra hard to produce Metal.
It seems only Wood (Mao) can do work in EB by going into Wei. EB Wei + Mao + Hai = wood structure & not favorable to him.
Thus, stable pillars with unfavorable elements might have further negative impact to the chart owner.
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The metal stem supports water, water stems support wood, and this person has too much of both, so not very positive. If on top of that Rat he would have a Fire, for example, it would act as a stabilizer, which is much more positive.
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The metal stem supports water, water stems support wood, and this person has too much of both, so not very positive. If on top of that Rat he would have a Fire, for example, it would act as a stabilizer, which is much more positive.
He got a wood tomb at his hour. Do you think he can open that treasure chest and be rich some time in future?
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I think the major problem can come from Rob Wealth, which means money loss. Yang Fire would be good, to take away Yang Metal and warm up the chart.
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To All,
IMHO, Geng produces Gui which produces Wei (Seal and Wealth tomb). DM want to obtain Authority and Wealth. Zi is Lu of Gui so Day and Hour pillars are Host. Zi also produces Mao in Month.
Wei, Mao and Hai form a Wood San He, again image of DM wanting to obtain Wealth.
But Zi Harms Wei and Zi breaks Mao. Not a good chart. DM works against himself, trouble making money. Maybe does like like school (poor education).
I am not sure if the two Xin in the stem are considered Yang Ren. If so, they do nothing and so are not auspicious. As JohnyQi mentioned, Bing may be helpful.
Ren
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His current LP is bing xu. Bing is running the first 5 years and it ending this year. Bing xu happens to be a solid pillar. Does his life has anything to do with solid or unstable pillar? Basically he don't like to observe house rules. That's really killed him in many jobs he had.
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I'm guessing. Similar to understanding the DM strength, pillar stabiliability is probably 1 piece of an equation / analysis.
By the way, I might be wrong about water element. I mentioned he favor his output. However, in order to use his output, he needs to be a strong DM. when AP or LP comes & make him a strong DM, RW is right next to him ready to take it away.
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To All,
IMHO, Geng produces Gui which produces Wei (Seal and Wealth tomb). DM want to obtain Authority and Wealth. Zi is Lu of Gui so Day and Hour pillars are Host. Zi also produces Mao in Month.
Wei, Mao and Hai form a Wood San He, again image of DM wanting to obtain Wealth.
But Zi Harms Wei and Zi breaks Mao. Not a good chart. DM works against himself, trouble making money. Maybe does like like school (poor education).
I am not sure if the two Xin in the stem are considered Yang Ren. If so, they do nothing and so are not auspicious. As JohnyQi mentioned, Bing may be helpful.
Ren
I think you are right. He always self sabotage his own career in terms of going against his supervisor and not fulfilling his job duties. Maybe he wish to be his own boss but current lp doesn't support his dreams.
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I m curious. Does having more stable pillars in chart have anything to do with chart grading? Any opinion on this?
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I m curious. Does having more stable pillars in chart have anything to do with chart grading? Any opinion on this?
No, there is no direct correlation of pillar stability and chart grading.
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Indeed, look at Clint Eastwood's chart below: all four pillars are unstable. (Year-Month-Day-Hour)
(http://fivearts.org/fileserver/images/2019/10/23/image.png) (http://fivearts.org/fileserver/image/CCIc)
bazi-calculator.com
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Indeed, look at Clint Eastwood's chart below: all four pillars are unstable. (Year-Month-Day-Hour)
(http://fivearts.org/fileserver/images/2019/10/23/image.png) (http://fivearts.org/fileserver/image/CCIc)
bazi-calculator.com
Isn't this a special chart with only 2 elements? Is there normal chart with 4 unstable pillars but end up rich?
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People with unstable pillars are often very good in Showbusiness, it gives them performing abilities.
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People with unstable pillars are often very good in Showbusiness, it gives them performing abilities.
Noted. They like acting, pretending to be something else. Good point. Are there actors or actress chart for eg?
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People with unstable pillars are often very good in Showbusiness, it gives them performing abilities.
Noted. They like acting, pretending to be something else. Good point. Are there actors or actress chart for eg?
I did a lot of research on unstable pillars, most actors have unstable Output, Wealth or Power. I would say 90% of them. It makes them artistic, communicative and charismatic.
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People with unstable pillars are often very good in Showbusiness, it gives them performing abilities.
Noted. They like acting, pretending to be something else. Good point. Are there actors or actress chart for eg?
I did a lot of research on unstable pillars, most actors have unstable Output, Wealth or Power. I would say 90% of them. It makes them artistic, communicative and charismatic.
Looks like I will have to open up my own research data bank. Tks for the Info.
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I think there is no real correlation between unstable pillars and being successful actors.
Al Pacino, American actor. This Wu DM has only stable pillars: two of them are Output Pillars.
(http://fivearts.org/fileserver/images/2019/10/28/image.png)
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Gene Hackman, American actor. This Ding DM has 2 unstable Wealth Pillars and 1 unstable Output Pillar.
(http://fivearts.org/fileserver/images/2019/10/28/image5c92d66522e67ac0.png)
(http://fivearts.org/fileserver/images/2019/10/28/image34cb232246832c0d.png)
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Unstable Ding in Gene Hackman's chart brings him charisma, which is rather useful in showbusiness :-)
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Just wondering, can we make this statement:
A stable pillar is Hs & Eb elements don't change often. Where as unstable pillar Hs & Eb elements might change or easily be influenced by other pillars / elements.
Please advise, thanks
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Hi tyc,
To a certain extent it's correct. A stable pillar: "elements don't change often" --> they are not easily overcome by another element.
An unstable pillar: "easily be influenced by other pillars / elements" --> they can be more easily overcome by another element.
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Hi Ji You, neither Ji You nor Xin Wei is a solid pillar.
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