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China Identifies New Virus Causing Pneumonialike Illness
Will this pandemic be caused by this virus?
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This virus caused by unhealthy eating (Wealth in Self / Other unmoving lines) .. is indeed so morbid and dangerous ...( Self as virus / Other as spreading in population )
Still there is hope in future ..
Will be totally controlled on Si fire month ...
Needs time .. !!
My best thoughts and wishes for all infected souls of Wuhan... for quick recovering ..
Tientai
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I'm worried reading the news over the virus and dying patients... :( :(
But I do agree with Tientai. I see from the hexagram that the cure or vaccine will be effective and working around May (Si month) or June (Wu month). Vaccine = offspring line, which looks initially useless because it's hidden.
However, Offspring line Wu Horse becomes unhidden in the fourth line, by virtue of the combination between Hai (Parent) and Yin (Sibling). Let's look at Sibling: Sibling means immunity. The immunity is trained by the vaccine to combat the virus. Combat is represented by the White Tiger!
And what does Parent represent, and why does it change to Wealth? Parent is hospital, which spends a lot of money (wealth) for the cure. It's because Parent line is overcome by the Wealth line. Lots of money because Chou gains the Month.
There is also a sign that the hospital is a government hospital, or is heavily funded by the government. Its location is far away from the querent, which in this case is tanpai (Hint: Murky Warrior). It may be China, US, Australia or elsewhere...
Another positive sign from the hexagram: You Rooster is at Qi phase Jue (Vanished) based on Yin Tiger. And You Rooster represents illness.
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Officer /R symbolizes people infected with the virus. Guashen and post-horse shen branches,
spreading the disease quickly, as can be seen daily. A pandemic is likely to happen soon.
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Officer /R symbolizes people infected with the virus. Guashen and post-horse shen branches,
spreading the disease quickly, as can be seen daily. A pandemic is likely to happen soon.
Officer /R I 5th moving line facing tortoise == I think is the seriousness of morbidity by the virus (A nightmare for humanity )..!!
Although is strong by month but at the same time in tomb of Chou .. I think will not spread worldwide as pandemic .
Next wood months will reinforce the offspring now hidden under 4th line ..
If get stronger and free then antivirus is easy to be given to save the population 6th Resault line (Liu He of Wu -Wei Other line in azure Dragon ).. and I agree with @JLim on fire months Si - Wu ..
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Hi Tientai, I regard the Chou Tomb as rather special. It's the only Tomb that produces the element being entombed (You Rooster). So this is an illness with strong power.
You may recall your hexagram about work/career in Real case : My wife has some problem with her Boss !! (http://fivearts.org/index.php?topic=432.0). The Self line is You Rooster too, and changes into Chou.
- The Xuan Wu (Murky Warrior): I see it as spreading like water, because Xuan Wu is of the Water element. And it's also murky... to me the situation is worrying.
- Bai Hu (Tiger): this means fast. I also read Tiger for the illness, because line 4 and 5 are connected.
Combining all the above, we get the interpretation: strong, spreading and fast!
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Day Pillar Gui You: I'm surprised that he said You sits on Gui Water. He got it upside down, it's actually Gui Water sits on You. Up to now I don't know anybody using Branch sitting on Stem... Also in Bazi it's usually Stem sits on Branch, regardless of Bazi school.
In this hexagram, the Illness line is weak by both Month and Day. This does not quite match with the scare that this illness has brought over many countries, and the lives that it has taken away.
Is the master from China/Hong Kong, or far away from that region?
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This question might be the so-called yes-no answer ... in this case P * gives the solution ..chen gather with you day , so the answer is "no", the mao month will succeed .
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Yes, Raymond Lo is from Hong Kong.
In this hexagram, the Illness line is weak by both Month and Day. This does not quite match with the scare that this illness has brought over many countries, and the lives that it has taken away.
官鬼为休囚死绝者，其病情必轻；若遇日辰或动爻生扶，则其病必又加重
Illness is at rest, trapped or dead stage, the illness situation is light; if it's supported by Day Branch or moving line, then the illness is getting heavier.
I'm at a loss why his hexagram shows that the illness is light... the illness line (Officer) is at rest and trapped stage. And there is no support by a moving line.
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The name Fire God Mountain: Fire may be taken from a hexagram or trigram from a I-ching based divination.
In this case, as we go back to tanpai's hexagram, we see that the beneficial and much needed Offspring is Wu Horse, and this is also of element Fire.
Thunder God Mountain: Thunder is of the Wood element. And in the same hexagram, that represents immunity. Strong immunity is the best defense against the virus.
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The fire element may refer to moxa therapy as well as its antipyretic effect. And the thunder / wood element
traditional herbal therapy. The role of acupuncture is thus neglected.
It would be interesting to know what herbs the Chinese are using and which body points for immunization. It is certain that many Chinese doctors apply these therapies in the present case.
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The name Fire God Mountain: Fire may be taken from a hexagram or trigram from a I-ching based divination.
In this case, as we go back to tanpai's hexagram, we see that the beneficial and much needed Offspring is Wu Horse, and this is also of element Fire.
Thunder God Mountain: Thunder is of the Wood element. And in the same hexagram, that represents immunity. Strong immunity is the best defense against the virus.
Yes dear @JLim and @tanpai .. I am in line with tanpai's initial Hexagram 17 change to 24 ...
To be also in line with my own Hexagram 61 change to 57 .. I don't focus on my Hexagram 5 element transformations but only on branches laws and Liu Qin's or 6 kins ..!!
So is much helpful in finding out more hidden parts in the course of time on this bad situation of virus outbreak ...
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Based on this hexagram, there is hope that the disease is actively controlled and vaccine/cure is working well. That comes from Si-Chou-You San He. This San he transforms to Metal, which is Offspring, and Offspring is very good news.
The best time for the San He is Si month, which is similar to tanpai's hexagram. There are still stumbling blocks for the hospitals, because Si is entombed in Xu Sibling. Sibling in the Day Branch means the hospitals are teaming with far away partners (another hospital, research institution, university etc.).
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US$675 million needed for new coronavirus preparedness and response global plan
To fight further spread of the new coronavirus (2019-nCoV) outbreak in China and globally, and protect states with weaker health systems, the international community has launched a US$675 million preparedness and response plan covering the months of February through to April 2020.
https://www.who.int/news-room/detail/05-02-2020-us-675-million-needed-for-new-coronavirus-preparedness-and-response-global-plan
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We hear thousands of economic and political statements, but nowhere are they talking about ways to boost the immune system. Finding the vaccine is a long way off ...
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Yes, in tanpai's hexagram, we can the sign of international efforts in coordinating a very large amount of funds. In that hexagram, You Officer combines with Chen Assets. Let's look a bit further what this combination means.
This Assets line comes at the Self line. Self (world) aspires to coordinate the funds. The amount is large, because Chen is strong by Month. There are also two other Wealth lines, Wei and Chou. Lots of money going around.
Officer represents a coordinating organization, that's why it's called "Officer" in Liu Yao. In this case, it's the WHO (World Health Organization).
And I did give a hint on my ealier analysis:
There is also a sign that the hospital is a government hospital, or is heavily funded by the government. Its location is far away from the querent, which in this case is tanpai (Hint: Murky Warrior). It may be China, US, Australia or elsewhere...
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QUESTION : Will this pandemic be caused by this virus?
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But if we accept Officer as a coordinating Organisation just as WHO .. then disregard about where the Problem is (Disease )...!!
Normally 5th line on Mulky Warrior == is pollution or impurity + moving Officer == Disease is spreading + You metal combine with (S)elf Chen == causing much fright among population ... + changed Parent on 5th line == this was a challenging interest on many Research hospitals and brands in mainland and abroad China on finding an essential anti-virus. ..!!
There is a Fu Yin formation among the lower and upper Gua on root Hexagram 17 Following == Unfavourable condition ..
Seems very favourable the changed Hexagram 24 Fu Return ... this condition will return to its normal place... and not go too far !!
My only difficulty to answer is 5th changed Chou Parent line that repulses with (O)thers 6th Wei Parent line on Azure Dragon ... please have any idea ??
Mao San He is going to happen ? ..
By the coming of Mao month it seems that there is a chance for the formation of Siblings (imunity ) Mao San He... if so this Gang of 3 parties can fight successfully You Officer on 5th line ... a glimpse of Hope on Mao month .!!! ???
Ideal time : Mao month / Chou or Si day (Chou can successfully clash with Wei 6th unmoving Other line make it secret move .. facilitating on San He Mao formation or Si fire that can break liu he yin-Hai ) ?!!
*** The existence of voidness (Kong) of the 2 moving lines among Self -- Other Lines is once more explain the severity of this situation .. but when a line is moving there isn't in void == this situation can be solved ..
.. and this is my own way of view ..!!
Everyone can make additions and corrections ... will be much appreciated.
Tientai
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Virus outbreaks are repeated every year, seasonal in nature, as evidenced by 24 Fu…
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Virus outbreaks are repeated every year, seasonal in nature, as evidenced by 24 Fu…
.. yes sure .. I agree with this .. makes sense
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My only difficulty to answer is 5th changed Chou Parent line that repulses with (O)thers 6th Wei Parent line on Azure Dragon ... please have any idea ??
Self = tanpai (he is in Europe, which at the time of hexagram was free from this disease)
Others = the world outside him (China and other parts of Asia)
Wealth line = food. Chou Wealth line is the food contaminated with the illness (because it comes with White Tiger), while Wei Wealth line is the food in the world outside him.
Chou clashing Wei means the disease is actually caused by unhealthy eating. Apart from the clashing, note that Wei Wealth line also suffers from Month Break.
But, aha, you also mentioned that in your earlier analysis, Tientai
This virus caused by unhealthy eating (Wealth in Self / Other unmoving lines) .. is indeed so morbid and dangerous ...( Self as virus / Other as spreading in population )
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Virus outbreaks are repeated every year, seasonal in nature, as evidenced by 24 Fu…
Yes, that makes very much sense! That is the changed hexagram.
Note also that the initial hexagram is a Returning Spirit hexagram. What does it mean? This current outbreak is something that has made a comeback. Actually, this coronavirus is related to SARS from 2003!
Don't we all get new insights when we read tanpai's hexagram again?
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Don't we all get new insights when we read tanpai's hexagram again?
Yes dear @JLim .. you are right
I got your compliment on this ... !!
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Today, a client of mine asked with Liu Yao divination whether they should return to their home country, and postpone their university studies in a high-risk city in Asia. This virus is really creating havoc ??? ???
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Something small yet .. start working !!!
https://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/202002/06/WS5e3bb99fa3101282172757dd.html?fbclid=IwAR0cxzcLrHkzzC6wjkDzJagZnKNwnrbsAj_F7rHzPC_3dkH-zfvc-PSyRa4
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Hex 17 Sui –Soul returning Gui-Hun , that is return to the Creator.
Blindman School says tomb-…Wandering spirit You-Hun , also bed omen, especially in diseases.
Scores of cases have also been confirmed in several countries in the Asia-Pacific region as well as Europe, North America and the Middle East.
The first question I asked was not about Europe and myself, but a general question about the new virus infection.
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The first question I asked was not about Europe and myself, but a general question about the new virus infection.
Jlim was right.... this is nothing to do with nature of your query .. but from where you are when asking queries ... !!!
This was a reason that Yi Jing influenced so much Feng Shui community ... !!!
Tientai
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Today, a client of mine asked with Liu Yao divination whether they should return to their home country, and postpone their university studies in a high-risk city in Asia. This virus is really creating havoc ??? ???
Interestingly, the hexagram shows the Illness Star as You Rooster, and the Medicine/Cure/Vaccine as Wu Horse. For those following this topic, the Six Families are the same like in tanpai's hexagram!
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Tientai, And what method do you use for a reading?
I feel that by this type of question people worry if the method used may actually be effective in providing the answer they’re looking for.
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What Can Traditional Chinese Medicine Do For You During The Flu Season?
https://www.taoofwellness.com/blog/can-traditional-chinese-medicine-flu-season
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https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=627718524643381&id=476536096428292
As of today (9 Feb), the Global confirmation for the Coronavirus is 34,886.
Human coronaviruses (HCoV) were first identified in the 1960s in the noses of patients with the common cold. Two human coronaviruses are responsible for a large proportion of common colds OC43 and 229E. Coronaviruses were given their name based on the crown-like projections on their surfaces. “Corona” in Latin means “halo” or “crown.”
Among humans, infection most often occurs during the winter months as well as early spring. It is not uncommon for a person to become ill with a cold that is caused by a coronavirus and then catch it again about four months later.
As most of the chinese metaphysics practitioner had predicted, the current Wuhan Coronavirus will be controlled in May/June period. Because the current situation is a Metal Element issue as it affect your lung (which is also the Star 6). Currently we are in the Spring Period (寅卯辰) which is from Feb to Apr. Summer will commence in May to Jul (巳午未) which is the Fire element. For those who know about the Five Elements, Fire will controlled Metal and hence the current situation will be under control in Summer.
So during these period, please observe personal hygiene, wear a mask when you are not feeling well, see a doctor immediately if you are not feeling well.
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Estimations from @tanpai Hexagram ..
I Think condition will start with good improvement on corona virus outbreak
Mao San He is going to happen ? ..
By the coming of Mao month it seems that there is a chance for the formation of Siblings (imunity ) Mao San He... if so this Gang of 3 parties can fight successfully You Officer on 5th line ... a glimpse of Hope on Mao month .!!! ???
Ideal time : Mao month / Chou or Si day (Chou can successfully clash with Wei 6th unmoving Other line make it secret move .. facilitating on San He Mao formation or Si fire that can break liu he yin-Hai ) ?!!
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And will totally controlled... on First Chinese summer month Si -Snake...
This virus caused by unhealthy eating (Wealth in Self / Other unmoving lines) .. is indeed so morbid and dangerous ...( Self as virus / Other as spreading in population )
Still there is hope in future ..
Will be totally controlled on Si fire month ...
Needs time .. !!
My best thoughts and wishes for all infected souls of Wuhan... for quick recovering ..
Tientai
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There were 4978 confirmed cases in 42 designated Traditional Chinese Medicine hospitals in Hubei Province. The rate of use of Traditional Chinese Medicine was 96.4%. The symptoms of having fever, fatigue, and cough were significantly improved. The total effective rate was 81.3%.
Qihuang Healthcare/Face/
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The hexagram in the divination belongs to the Zhen Palace. Zhen is related to the East direction. This in in line with the Eastern part of the world where the disease is heaviest: China, South Korea, Japan. Also within China itself, the most affected cities are also located in the Eastern part of that country.
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Some sharing on South Korea
When consulted about a good time this year to travel there for a medical procedure, I advised my regular client to delay it until an undetermined time. The reason was my worry over Coronavirus, and the hexagram above showing the Zhen Palace.
I gave that advise on 31 January, when there were only 4 cases in that country. Today, February 24, the total in that country has surged to 830. Even the South Korean government has just announced the red code as the highest alert level.
Update: total is over 3500 per February 29
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https://www.facebook.com/ArielOnShow/videos/2877232949026704/
Japan and Taiwan medical team pointed out that those who die of Americans flu have been tested positive for cov 19 virus. The virus could very well started from there.
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To All,
The "America Flu" in an Infuenza type virus, different from a Coronavirus type virus.
I heard this morning, the NYC Department of Health have test kits to identify 26 known virus strains common with Flu symptoms. Flu symptoms with a negative kit result can indicate a possible Coronavirus infection.
Coronavirus Disease 2019 vs. the Flu, Lisa Lockerd Maragakis, M.D., M.P.H.
https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/coronavirus-disease-2019-vs-the-flu
Influenza (“the flu”) and COVID-19, the illness caused by the new coronavirus, are both infectious respiratory illnesses. Although the symptoms of COVID-19 and the flu can look similar, the two illnesses are caused by different viruses.
As of Feb. 26, 2020, the flu is showing much more of an impact on Americans than COVID-19. You can find up-to-date information on COVID-19 at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).
Lisa Maragakis, M.D., M.P.H., senior director of infection prevention at Johns Hopkins, explains how the flu and COVID-19 are similar and how they are different.
Similarities: COVID-19 and the Flu
Symptoms
Both cause fever, cough, body aches, fatigue; sometimes vomiting and diarrhea.
Can be mild or severe, even fatal in rare cases.
Can result in pneumonia.
Transmission
Both can be spread from person to person through droplets in the air from an infected person coughing, sneezing or talking.
A possible difference: COVID-19 might be spread through the airborne route (see details below under Differences).
Flu can be spread by an infected person for several days before their symptoms appear, and COVID-19 is believed to be spread in the same manner, but we don’t yet know for sure.
Treatment
Neither virus is treatable with antibiotics, which only work on bacterial infections.
Both may be treated by addressing symptoms, such as reducing fever. Severe cases may require hospitalization and support such as mechanical ventilation.
Prevention
Both may be prevented by frequent, thorough hand washing, coughing into the crook of your elbow, staying home when sick and limiting contact with people who are infected.
Differences: COVID-19 and the Flu
Cause
COVID-19: Caused by one virus, the novel 2019 coronavirus, now called severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2, or SARS-CoV-2.
Flu: Caused by any of several different types and strains of influenza viruses.
Transmission
While both the flu and COVID-19 may be transmitted in similar ways (see the Similarities section above), there is also a possible difference: COVID-19 might be spread through the airborne route, meaning that tiny droplets remaining in the air could cause disease in others even after the ill person is no longer near.
Antiviral Medications
COVID-19: Antiviral medications are currently being tested to see if they can address symptoms.
Flu: Antiviral medications can address symptoms and sometimes shorten the duration of the illness.
Vaccine
COVID-19: No vaccine is available at this time, though it is in progress.
Flu: A vaccine is available and effective to prevent some of the most dangerous types or to reduce the severity of the flu.
Infections
COVID-19: Approximately 81,322 cases worldwide; 59 cases in the U.S. as of Feb. 26, 2020.
Flu: Estimated 1 billion cases worldwide; 9.3 million to 45 million cases in the U.S. per year.
Deaths
COVID-19: Approximately 2,770 deaths reported worldwide; 0 deaths in the U.S., as of Feb. 26, 2020.
Flu: 291,000 to 646,000 deaths worldwide; 12,000 to 61,000 deaths in the U.S. per year.
Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19)
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/summary.html
This is an emerging, rapidly evolving situation and CDC will provide updated information as it becomes available, in addition to updated guidance.
[Updated February 25, 2020]
Background
CDC is responding to an outbreak of respiratory disease caused by a novel (new) coronavirus that was first detected in Wuhan City, Hubei Province, China and which has now been detected in 37 locations internationally, including cases in the United States. The virus has been named “SARS-CoV-2” and the disease it causes has been named “coronavirus disease 2019” (abbreviated “COVID-19”).
On January 30, 2020, the International Health Regulations Emergency Committee of the World Health Organization declared the outbreak a “public health emergency of international concern” (PHEIC). On January 31, 2020, Health and Human Services Secretary Alex M. Azar II declared a public health emergency (PHE) for the United States to aid the nation’s healthcare community in responding to COVID-19.
Source and Spread of the Virus
Coronaviruses are a large family of viruses that are common in many different species of animals, including camels, cattle, cats, and bats. Rarely, animal coronaviruses can infect people and then spread between people such as with MERS-CoV, SARS-CoV, and now with this new virus (named SARS-CoV-2).
The SARS-CoV-2 virus is a betacoronavirus, like MERS-CoV and SARS-CoV. All three of these viruses have their origins in bats. The sequences from U.S. patients are similar to the one that China initially posted, suggesting a likely single, recent emergence of this virus from an animal reservoir.
Early on, many of the patients in the COVID-19 outbreak in Wuhan, China had some link to a large seafood and live animal market, suggesting animal-to-person spread. Later, a growing number of patients reportedly did not have exposure to animal markets, indicating person-to-person spread. Person-to-person spread has been reported outside China, including in the United States and other locations. Chinese officials report that sustained person-to-person spread in the community is occurring in China. In addition, other destinations have apparent community spread, meaning some people have been infected who are not sure how or where they became infected. Learn what is known about the spread of newly emerged coronaviruses.
Situation in U.S.
Imported cases of COVID-19 in travelers have been detected in the U.S. Person-to-person spread of COVID-19 also has been seen among close contacts of returned travelers from Wuhan, but at this time, this virus is NOT currently spreading in the community in the United States.
Illness Severity
Both MERS-CoV and SARS-CoV have been known to cause severe illness in people. The complete clinical picture with regard to COVID-19 is not fully understood. Reported illnesses have ranged from mild to severe, including illness resulting in death. Learn more about the symptoms associated with COVID-19.
There are ongoing investigations to learn more. This is a rapidly evolving situation and information will be updated as it becomes available.
Risk Assessment
Outbreaks of novel virus infections among people are always of public health concern. The risk from these outbreaks depends on characteristics of the virus, including how well it spreads between people, the severity of resulting illness, and the medical or other measures available to control the impact of the virus (for example, vaccine or treatment medications). The fact that this disease has caused illness, including illness resulting in death, and sustained person-to-person spread is concerning. These factors meet two of the criteria of a pandemic. As community spread is detected in more and more countries, the world moves closer toward meeting the third criteria, worldwide spread of the new virus.
The potential public health threat posed by COVID-19 is high, both globally and to the United States.
But individual risk is dependent on exposure.
For the general American public, who are unlikely to be exposed to this virus at this time, the immediate health risk from COVID-19 is considered low.
Under current circumstances, certain people will have an increased risk of infection, for example healthcare workers caring for patients with COVID-19 and other close contacts of persons with COVID-19. CDC has developed guidance to help in the risk assessment and management of people with potential exposures to COVID-19.
However, it’s important to note that current global circumstances suggest it is likely that this virus will cause a pandemic. In that case, the risk assessment would be different.
ren
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Corona virus outbreak was predicted by Sylvia Browne from New York in her book "Prophecy What the Future Holds for You" published in 2008! Below is page 214 from the book (relevant paragraph is marked with red). It's somewhat of a relief to read "...after causing a winter of absolute panic...".
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That's an altered video that's been circulating around! ;D It is NOT the corona virus.
The episode did talk about an illness, but it was called "Osaka flu". And the illness originated from Osaka, Japan, and not from China. Below is the real unaltered episode. Please note timestamp 1:10 (1 minute 10 seconds).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lF_hml_iIDw
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There are many people that predicted things - however!
My question to this is, how much of it is it still prediction, if people know about those predictions?
Then again there is no way people would believe those are predictions, if nobody knew about them. So... I see both value and paradox here.
What I mean is that some dreams inspire people to chase after them. In good and bad ways.
Example:Who of the 'dreamers' 150 years ago would have thought that people will conquer the sky and even fly out to other planets in the universe?
They were all called madmen and condemned.
Long story short:
I am not doubting the people that had a creative mind years ahead of others - But we may have to look into the connections and influences on their past and our current world as well.
Also, as read above, there seems to be a pattern in those coronaviridae. Humans have known to react badly to animal viruses and vice versa.
It is possible for something to occur every few years. -
Then again - who will believe you as long as nothing happens?
Just leaving some food for thought...
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It is well known that the rat is a vector of infection, so it is logical to assume that such epidemics occur at least every 12 years in the year of the rat. It is also likely that something similar happens in the year of the dragon and the monkey.
Let's make a prophecy of an epidemic of a new virus from the end of 2023 and all of 2024 :)
Example:Who of the 'dreamers' 150 years ago would have thought that people will conquer the sky and even fly out to other planets in the universe?
They were all called madmen and condemned.
Every year, more and more people in the world begin to believe that flying into space is not true, but a "show".
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Confirmed Cases and Deaths by Country, Territory, or Conveyance
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
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It is well known that the rat is a vector of infection, so it is logical to assume that such epidemics occur at least every 12 years in the year of the rat. It is also likely that something similar happens in the year of the dragon and the monkey.
Let's make a prophecy of an epidemic of a new virus from the end of 2023 and all of 2024 :)
... quick question, but wait, the chinese new year wasnt in January, so it wasnt year of the rat (yet) ?
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Then again if we connect it to the previous year of the pig.. humans "pigging" out on "bats" and then getting the "rat-revenge"... it doesnt seem that far fetched anymore... ;)
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minimizing this a little, tad off topic but too intriguing to pass up. to any follow up comments i can only say - I am free to discuss this in pm anytime:
Every year, more and more people in the world begin to believe that flying into space is not true, but a "show".
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Well it is a 'show' for the public to get more funding for a project that is basically not profitable for humanity (yet?), if you mean that.
If you mean it in the way that humans never left earth and flew to the moon... well there are people also claiming the earth is still flat, standing on five elephants and on a giant turtle that is flying through the universe...
there are lots of theories, based on science, or personal belief.
As for the actual truth..? Well maybe some will not believe the Earth actually ever existed in the distant future...
Anyway, with flying in the air, I meant /understood that the humble people 150 years ago were probably just imagining Airplanes and Parachutes...
As for outer space travel - the myth of Ikarus flying to the sun and getting burned was there from ancient Greek times.. ?
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... quick question, but wait, the chinese new year wasnt in January, so it wasnt year of the rat (yet) ?
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You are right, January 2020 was not the Year of Rat yet. It was still the year of Pig. However, the first cases appeared in Wuhan, China in December 2019. Something notable: that month was Rat month. Again we see the symbol of Rat again.
Then again if we connect it to the previous year of the pig.. humans "pigging" out on "bats" and then getting the "rat-revenge"... it doesnt seem that far fetched anymore... ;)
Pigging out, and the followed by rat-revenge. I see the connection... It started in a Pig year, and then became widespread in Rat year.
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Tientai:” I think will not spread worldwide as pandemic .”
According to a WHO report, there is already a pandemic.
New Virus January 31, 2020, 07:46:09 PM »sample
„This question might be the so-called yes-no answer ... in this case P * gives the solution ..chen gather with you day , so the answer is, the mao month will succeed .” 甲寅.
. Mao can mean month and day in the WWG formula…
China announced: March 12, the virus outbreak has ceased
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Estimations from @tanpai Hexagram ..
I Think condition will start with good improvement on corona virus outbreak
Mao San He is going to happen ? ..
By the coming of Mao month it seems that there is a chance for the formation of Siblings (imunity ) Mao San He... if so this Gang of 3 parties can fight successfully You Officer on 5th line ... a glimpse of Hope on Mao month .!!! ???
Ideal time : Mao month / Chou or Si day (Chou can successfully clash with Wei 6th unmoving Other line make it secret move .. facilitating on San He Mao formation or Si fire that can break liu he yin-Hai ) ?!!
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And will totally controlled... on First Chinese summer month Si -Snake...
This virus caused by unhealthy eating (Wealth in Self / Other unmoving lines) .. is indeed so morbid and dangerous ...( Self as virus / Other as spreading in population )
Still there is hope in future ..
Will be totally controlled on Si fire month ...
Needs time .. !!
My best thoughts and wishes for all infected souls of Wuhan... for quick recovering ..
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HI, @tanpai ..
I observed that Pandemic was made by WHO... on yesterday (Day inside Mao ). . but already seen that China was start recovering efficiently from this nightmare. ..!! (beginning of Mao )..
One good news and one bad news concurring at The same time ..!!!
The difficult part is to distinguish each other .!!!
The question is directed all about Chinese population .. and the outcome of its problem ...!!
So Pandemia in not fitting for only one country !!
Still I don't made Tong Pao (coin tossing) .. for this Liu Yao Query ...
So explanation is somehow wavering ...!!..
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https://youtu.be/ZArc9OmL8JY
Those who can understand Chinese should watch this.
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Hi, @NewMan ..
Well .. if you understand Chinese pls enlight us .. !!
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The YouTube video posted by NewMan is related to this: "A conspiracy theory that the coronavirus originated in the US is spreading through China, fuelled by officials and a video from an interview with US Centre for Disease Control (CDC) director Robert Redfield."
You can read another article from another source in the English language:https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/coronavirus-start-originate-conspiracy-china-us-wuhan-cdc-robert-redfield-a9398711.html
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The YouTube video posted by NewMan is related to this: "A conspiracy theory that the coronavirus originated in the US is spreading through China, fuelled by officials and a video from an interview with US Centre for Disease Control (CDC) director Robert Redfield."
You can read another article from another source in the English language:https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/coronavirus-start-originate-conspiracy-china-us-wuhan-cdc-robert-redfield-a9398711.html
Simply speaking .. my view is corona virus not originated from US .. !!
Rather Is a conspiracy against US.
If COVIID-19 were started from America .. why next country should be China ??
So many passengers travel all around the world from America... but only China ?
Ok was SARS in America .. and indeed a big problem on health ..!!
I think we bombarded be fake news .. !! .. very popular in our days ...
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... quick question, but wait, the chinese new year wasnt in January, so it wasnt year of the rat (yet) ?
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You are right, January 2020 was not the Year of Rat yet. It was still the year of Pig. However, the first cases appeared in Wuhan, China in December 2019. Something notable: that month was Rat month. Again we see the symbol of Rat again.
Then again if we connect it to the previous year of the pig.. humans "pigging" out on "bats" and then getting the "rat-revenge"... it doesnt seem that far fetched anymore... ;)
Pigging out, and the followed by rat-revenge. I see the connection... It started in a Pig year, and then became widespread in Rat year.
As for bats...
Each of the 60 pillars can be given an image.
for example, Jia Zi is Mickey Mouse.
Then who is Geng Zi? right this is Batman and this is a bat. So the bats theme should have surfaced this year ;D
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Yes, and the theme of medical masks definitely lie on Geng Zi. Geng = Shen (face), which means protecting the face from the virus (zi)
I adore Chinese metaphysics for its amazing accuracy. :)
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Hi, @Milla ..
I really enjoy your photo with batman... only Gotham City isn't included ...!!
2020 a year of the Batman ..!!!
We all need some time to laugh .. :D :D
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2020 Geng Zi year: for organs, Geng Metal represents the lungs or large intestines. Zi is the dead (Si) Qi phase of Geng. So, Geng siting on Zi can be interpreted as very weak lungs!
Based on Nine Star Ki, 2020 has the number 7. This number in the Luo Shu is located in the Dui palace, and Dui Metal also represents the lungs or large intestines. Lungs is one of the organs that receives special attention this year.
If you combine the theories of 60 pillars and Nine Star Ki, then you can understand the serious problems with lungs in this year.
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Cant really found it on metaphysics but rather statistics so far to speculate, but I feel like a man made virus could have been possible.
Any metaphysic reason for or against a man made pandemic (without the accidental spread from food but intentional)?
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A hope start rising ...!!
https://asia.nikkei.com/Spotlight/Coronavirus/China-says-Japan-developed-drug-Avigan-works-against-coronavirus
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A hope start rising ...!!
https://asia.nikkei.com/Spotlight/Coronavirus/China-says-Japan-developed-drug-Avigan-works-against-coronavirus
Tientai
2021 Xin Chou - General vaccination. Xin is medical needle in the body Chou.
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NvdCKimJzeQ
More evidence coming up.
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A speculative article related to the latest video link by NewMan:
https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/china-some-russians-think-coronavirus-us-invention-133597
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US CDC now admitted that Covid-19 could be falsely classified as regular flu cases which mean Covid-19 is in US long before Wuhan. Japan started this question for the truth when a Japanese American tested negative in Hawaii then positive in Japan. Plus Italy has cases where it was Hawaii contacts. California has cases where no origins can be traced. Scientists also found virus DNA trace to US origins. In summary, virus doesn't appear to originate from Wuhan.
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sMGgukNGll8
US CDC Director Robert Redfield Admitted some Coronavirus Deaths Have Been Miscategorized as Flu
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An Indian teenage astrologer believes that the entire chaos associated with the coronavirus outbreak will end on May 29,
https://www.ibtimes.sg/indian-boy-who-predicted-pandemic-warns-humanity-again-says-chaos-awaits-tomorrow-march-29-41884
What's amazing and proven correct: in August 2019, the boy predicted that the entire world will witness biological warfare in 2020.
Interestingly, in this forum topic (refer to the first page), Tientai and I have also predicted that the new virus will be totally controlled in Si/Wu month (May/June).
And from a scientific perspective: Michael Levitt, an American-British-Israeli biophysicist who teaches structural biology at Stanford University and spends much of his time in Tel Aviv, says that based on how the COVID-19 crisis has spread across multiple countries has played out, the threat is less serious than the media has portrayed and may have passed sooner than most think.
https://israelcnn.com/articles/2020-03-24-corona-pandemie-eerder-voorbij
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This is an interesting topic. Hasn't been active in the forum space. Just to add my 2 cents worth regarding my analysis in late 2020 using QMDJ, my take is situation would turn better between 立夏 to 夏至.
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Interestingly, in this forum topic (refer to the first page), Tientai and I have also predicted that the new virus will be totally controlled in Si/Wu month (April/May).
Something interesting is happening here ...
But I feel very sad for this bad situation worldwide .. no prize at all.!! :( :(
I am sure Master Jlim .. you feel the same .. !!
Many times I don't understand "the why" of this information of future events (prediction ) and what is its usefulness..!!?? ???
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An Indian teenage astrologer believes that the entire chaos associated with the coronavirus outbreak will end on May 29,
I have not had the chance to watch the YouTube channel. I don't quite understand how can the outbreak end on just one day. What is then the definition of "ending"? The virus can only lose its damaging power over time, but not on one particular day, can it? Does it mean that on that date he expects 0 new infection cases or 0 new death cases for all countries?
But I feel very sad for this bad situation worldwide ..
Yes, Tientai, the virus has brought the whole world to its knees.
Many times I don't understand "the why" of this information of future events (prediction ) and what is its usefulness..!!?? ???
Knowing is half the battle.
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An Indian teenage astrologer believes that the entire chaos associated with the coronavirus outbreak will end on May 29,
I have not had the chance to watch the YouTube channel. I don't quite understand how can the outbreak end on just one day. What is then the definition of "ending"? The virus can only lose its damaging power over time, but not on one particular day, can it? Does it mean that on that date he expects 0 new infection cases or 0 new death cases for all countries?
But I feel very sad for this bad situation worldwide ..
Yes, Tientai, the virus has brought the whole world to its knees.
Many times I don't understand "the why" of this information of future events (prediction ) and what is its usefulness..!!?? ???
Knowing is half the battle.
He says the cases will start to decrease.
I do agree, its a difficult thing to put in specific time frame.
Even more so for the world as a whole.
But the opposite is much easier, he says it will be much worse around 1 April and there will be a lot more cases, may need to give it 4-5 more days since that, apparently that is the time needed for the signs to show, and we can see if he will get it right this time. : )
Because biological warfare is not perfect, if he knew its illness should have said illness, I get the connection with Mars, but still from most peoples point of view they wouldn't define it as biological warfare.
But the time frame he provided is very good, starting from November and "the whole world will see" is good for this.
Ani shared a link with another person that predicted it in China.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fm9svc4AxkE
I will translate the text she posted to English(will leave the parts of it in Bulgarian where I don't know the words)
"Prof. Уанг Йонгян, Chinese expert of medicine in the Chinese academy of medicine, at the time of academic lecture in Beijing on 27 June 2019g said that in the second half of 2019, even more so around the winter solstice, in South China there will be a big virus epidemic, that will stay until the spring 2020. His divination was based on the theory of the 5 periods and 6 Qi in Chinese medicine. They also say the name of professor Гу Жишан from Анхуй, he is also expert in Ву Юн Лю Ци."
It seems they used that system called Ву Юн Лю Ци, 5 periods 6 qi, I haven't heard it before, but seems to produce good result. I don't understand the video itself, as its in Chinese.
While on the topic, here are some more TCM materials from their facebook group I find it helpful(even though I don't use facebook in general, we can see this without loging in:
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1240188582846395&id=419510114914250
Ani also posted points in her blog, its in bulgarian but the points are easy to see and we can use google translate:
https://anipesheva.blogspot.com/2020/03/blog-post_25.html
This is for acupressure, so in the case she describes in there she applied average pressure for 5 minutes.
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Hi all, I just want to add these additional videos to the discussion, I think it is an interesting watch:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l88gnofm3is
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZyNhpqMIHY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnLk1WrHv2g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8I8-ZzjWvQ
Olga
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Hi Gmuli, I just edited your post right above. You don't need to quote the whole post of ren, especially since ren's post was right before yours.
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I have many reasons don't follow Mrs Goldin refferances in her book ..
Wu Yun theory (as you call it) derived from classics of Huang Ti... and this tradition is consistent to what is written inside there .. and not to mix so many relevant (on First glance ) .. but later confusing.
Implications inside these classics are web this theory .. Was so written for high level studious physicians or persons trying Tao self cultivation, or next generation Officers on Meteorology.
I continue later ...
P.S. l fixed the Problem .. I hide the above post contain yours ..!!
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We have enough sources it seems and it doesn't seem so complicated. And we also have 3 outbreaks that have been predicted with it, should be easy to manage to see how.
They do seem to target a place as well, he said "southern China" apperently, and while it started there at that time, if someone provided same time period and said Europe for example they would be way off. But after the rest is working shouldn't be difficult to figure out how they pointed it to a place.
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Gmuli, actually Wuhan is located in Central China, not southern
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Seems so, not saying it was perfect, but it did seem connected to a location and it was close enough.
And the table from the book doesn't seem to have location parameters. Will see in the book, though, maybe there is other aspects to it not in the table.
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I'm open to make an calculator for that so we can test the different ways it could be calculated and see what fits to the 3 outbreaks that were divined with the system.
Well, I will anyway, but I can make it online.
But as the idea is to not link the site too much here, if someone wants to participate send me PM or mail and will send you link.
Will be solar calendar, though, I'm following the advice of Puppylove back then, to do all on the same calender. But the events that we predict with these doesn't have a sharp moment of decrease or increase so shouldn't make a big difference anyway.
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Hi, @ren ..
Yes .. very glad you understand the differences on your researches and mine..
I want to note that Magnolia Goh's book uses an Architectural Structure on placing Heavenly Energy as 3rd position the southern (S) direction and Energy beneath Earth in 6th position on North ( N ) .. but this concept has nothing to do with "place" but with "time".
Traditionally is different .!!
Take as an example the lunar Callendar .. The first day of the year is so important on many occasions... and specifically on weather for all year forecast .. this came from Su Wen. .!!
Second important is one to take account the weather First 12 days on making a prior evaluation about the months that will come ..
So you can see how valuable is the first month ..!! ( infer an equivalent for 1st Position of Heavenly Energy ). .
I would like to accept the Architectural Structure .. but agree the most with traditional way on where putting Heavenly Energy / Energy beneath Earth...!!
On Many things we must have to agree if we decide to work on this subject ..! I think it is very difficult part ..!!
Chinese Meteorology isn't Worldwide but must evaluated particularly only for length of a big City ..or a small country ..!!
Lastly one that wanting to study Chinese Meteorology .. must hold records on any Movement of Energy . So on So forth ...!
One more thing to add ... this theory can give many hints on Chinese astrology .. but today Chinese metaphysics cannot give any help on this theory .. but more or less will add confusions..!!
Seems like as priciples of Liu Yao must be standard .. but if incorporate too many aspects from Chinese Metaphysics .. will not working ..!!
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Well... The kid astrologer posted an update... So it seems his point of view is somewhat different then what was thought.
He is saying that near the end of June it will start to come down(the cases etc.)
Then there are few months of peace. Then in December either second outbreak or something else will happen that iwll hit the economy of the world even harder.
End of May will seem like its getting better, but won't really.
Of course, I'm assuming that is for the world as a whole, and as Bill Gates is mentioning a lot lately(very interesting info there), the developing countries may get hit harder then the rest of the world, as keeping distance there can be challenging at times.
Anyway, back on the astrology channel.
He is focusing a lot on not harming animals, not eating animals etc. with the idea that can change outcomes going forward.
So there is more then just the planetary aspects, but I guess everyone can watch the videos and see, so won't go into that.
I do agree it is a good goal, though, while it seems a lot of people are watching that, its not a bad message, coz nicer relation to animals is one of the things that humanity probably needs, no matter of the religious or philosophical point of view.
(for reference according to the webs, around 137 million chickens are eaten every day, it is somewhat sad imo)
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He is saying that near the end of June it will start to come down(the cases etc.)
Then there are few months of peace. Then in December either second outbreak or something else will happen that iwll hit the economy of the world even harder.
End of May will seem like its getting better, but won't really.
As per the original hexagram (refer to page 1), we had also foreseen May/June. We had not looked beyond that yet. Once it's well controlled, say in May/June, a new divination would be required, because "change" has occurred.
Thank you for the update. If you or anybody else have any update from that Youtube channel or other sources, you're welcome to share or discuss it.
(for reference according to the webs, around 137 million chickens are eaten every day, it is somewhat sad imo)
Are you a vegetarian, btw?
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Sure thing, will update in the future if something changes there. I started going back to astrology a little coz of him, he seems to be using vedic sources, so its not exactly the same, but still... : )
About vegetarian lifestyle, mostly no.
From morality point of view there are very convincing studies that vegetables go through similar "thoughts"/"feelings" that animals do. So it doesn't seem like there is a great choice in either if someone cares about that part a lot.
But I have health problems and with time it became clear meat and dairy products make it worse, so currently I'm not eating meat very often(few days every 4-5 months).
I would if I could, though.
I'm not against eating meat in all forms, but in todays world it has become much, much meaner then most people think/realize in my humble opinion.
I would never eat meat from rabbit for example, as the way they get it in my country is just awful(not sure its just here, but no way I'm researching that again).
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But the opposite is much easier, he says it will be much worse around 1 April and there will be a lot more cases, may need to give it 4-5 more days since that, apparently that is the time needed for the signs to show, and we can see if he will get it right this time. : )
The kid astrologer up to today seems very accurate! Below is a chart showing "daily new cases" for the whole world. Notice the peak on 3 April. Although the data source is very up-to-date, there can be 1 or 2 days of delay due to data collection.
(http://fivearts.org/fileserver/images/2020/04/10/image.png)
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
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Next step, June 30 may start to decrease slowly but surely on global level.
Then half year of peace then december, whatever will come in december... If he got it right.
He provided some very good points as well, some countries are preventing agriculture workers of doing their job and that is obviously a bad, bad idea right now. As first there aren't a lot of unavoidable social gathering in agricultural activities and of course, because there may be a lot of problems with food if that continues for a few months.
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An Indian teenage astrologer believes that the entire chaos associated with the coronavirus outbreak will end on May 29,
https://www.ibtimes.sg/indian-boy-who-predicted-pandemic-warns-humanity-again-says-chaos-awaits-tomorrow-march-29-41884
What's amazing and proven correct: in August 2019, the boy predicted that the entire world will witness biological warfare in 2020.
Today is May 31. Has the corona virus outbreak ended? Or is there an updated date of prediction from the teenage boy?
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An Indian teenage astrologer believes that the entire chaos associated with the coronavirus outbreak will end on May 29,
https://www.ibtimes.sg/indian-boy-who-predicted-pandemic-warns-humanity-again-says-chaos-awaits-tomorrow-march-29-41884
What's amazing and proven correct: in August 2019, the boy predicted that the entire world will witness biological warfare in 2020.
Today is May 31. Has the corona virus outbreak ended? Or is there an updated date of prediction from the teenage boy?
Nothing new it seems, if I'm following along correctly it should be waiting for it to decrease near end of June, then expecting something bigger December.
He did give some updates on the eclipse it seems(21 june), here is summary:
#Abhigya
Dear Friends, This is not a dangerous eclipse. Only slight effects may be noticed.Delhi and NCR Regions, large groups of people may be affected according to Brihat samhita.Dehradun, Indo-China Border and associated areas.The 5th JUNE ECLIPSE is only an AAGHRAANA Eclipse, or an Upachayaa eclipse: People need to be careful only in the duration of the eclipse.
https://www.timeanddate.com/eclipse/lunar/2020-june-5
Check this link, and get the time for your place.
PREDICTIONS FOR JUNE 21.
21 JUNE is a very a very important event.Why?
Because there is a Annular Solar Eclipse.Also it is mostly a Partial Solar Eclipse.
Today, i will give the timings, precautions, predictions for June 21st to June 27th.
Why does a Solar eclipse affect humans and plant life? Because it affects the factor of Solar Irradiance and irradiates a peculiar freqeuncy .But this eclipse of june 21 is surely not very dangerous, it is an indication of relief to the world.
But this is not a very dangerous event like the 26th of December, so there is no need to fear.
Before i begin, i would like to talk about the JUNE 5th Eclipse.
It is visible across asia and parts of africa.
It is called an Aaghrat eclipse, or Upachaya (Penumbral) Eclipse, it is like the vapour that comes on a mirror when we breath on it.The moon will be full.
It is not very significant, but will surely cause good rains throughout the places where it is seen.
The precautions for this only apply to the duration of the eclipse.
I will give the link of this in the description of this video.
JUNE 21ST ECLIPSE :
TIMINGS for New Delhi.
10:20 AM START
12:01 PM Maximum coverage.
PARTIAL ends:1:49PM.
PREDICTIONS:
1)Crops and Rain may be affected.
2)Danger to the economy
3)Stomach issues/ Abdominal Disease only in places where the eclipse is seen the most.Which i will show in the screen.In these places.You can check it yourself.
4) Indo-Chinese border issues may intensify
5)North india has more of the effect.
6) Areas north of Delhi also need to be careful.
7) People who gather will suffer.
8)Powerful women will suffer.
Other than this, the eclipse gives an indication of slight recovery from global issues.Otherwise, all is fine.
The predictions also depend on the events that happen one week of 21st JUNE.
Please Note: People born in the lunar stars of Mrigashira and Ardra need to take extra precaution and chant the verses that will come after this video.
PRECAUTIONS:TIMING:ADULTS= 9:52 PM 20th JUNE to 1:49 PM 21 JUNE
Elderly,Sick& Children = 5:24 AM to 1:49 PM 21 JUNE
1) We should not eat anyting, nor drink anything.(Elderly, Children and Sick
2) No auspicious activity should be conducted.
3)One should not use the toilet, except under extreme urgency.( For adults only...Elderly and Children, Sick can use it under limitations)
4)Pregnant Women must not go out.
5)No-one must go out.
6)The Rays of the eclipse must not fall on anyone.
7)No one must indulge in any other activity other than Mantras.
8)No brushing of the teeth, No oiling of the body should be done.
WHAT TO DO?
1) Mantroccharan: Om namah shivaya, or Om namo Narayanaya etc.
Vishnu Sahasranamam etc.
All these must be chanted not too loud nor silent, but between the lips.
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Please Note : Drinking Water is permitted other times except from the actual start of the eclipse till the end.
Video is here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DbyAwhvfko
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I stopped following there some months ago, as the point of view doesn't seem to fit to the way I view it currently.
Turns out 2020 was been awaited for a long time, by some with fear, others with hope...
There are some very impressive stuff going on astrologically, and all makes a lot of sense to me from other points of view, this specific one, doesn't resonate as much, so no idea what is going there last few months.
Posting this, as I mention I will post updates, so seemed fair to explain why I can't. : )