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Title: Coronavirus -- Other Divination arts.
Post by: Tientai ✝️ on February 21, 2020, 08:16:25 PM
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Title: Re: Coronavirus -- Other Divination arts.
Post by: tanpai on February 21, 2020, 09:24:33 PM
How did you get this tetragram?
There are many kinds in Tai Xuan Jing too, coins, stems etc ...
The TIME  also counts when choosing the initial, middle,
and finishing Appraisal…
Title: Re: Coronavirus -- Other Divination arts.
Post by: Tientai ✝️ on February 21, 2020, 09:34:55 PM
For Tai Xuan Jing divination I use Yarrow sticks  .. And the method as proposed Derek Walter.

I don't use the TIME (of the day) to chose Appraisals  .. Just casting by Yarrows  .. !!
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Title: Re: Coronavirus -- Other Divination arts.
Post by: Tientai ✝️ on February 22, 2020, 07:44:51 PM
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Title: Re: Coronavirus -- Other Divination arts.
Post by: JLim (Darma W) on February 22, 2020, 09:31:51 PM
Hi Tientai, my take on the Chinese text of Tai Xuan Jing.

渾沌無端
murky & turbid, infinite in scope

"Turbid" suggests the image of contamination, like contaminated water.  This contaminated water represents the contagious nature of the disease.  "Infinite in scope" refers to the wide area that it has spread, first within the city of Wuhan, and then to the whole country (China), next the neighboring countries, also through traveling of humans across the world. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus -- Other Divination arts.
Post by: JLim (Darma W) on February 22, 2020, 09:42:17 PM
And let's look at the hexagram itself:

No. 77 馴 consists of 馬 "horse" and 川 "river". Both of them refer to fast and flowing movement, again suggesting the fast spread of the disease.

About horse, I don't know if it's related to horse meat eating?  I cannot find it from my Internet googling.  But there are references to bats.

The bat in a Chinese dialect is also called "flying rat".  An older English name for bats is "flittermouse".  The Dutch word also contains the word for "mouse".  Coronavirus broke out at the end of Hai (Pig) year, before the change to Rat year!
(http://fivearts.org/fileserver/images/2020/02/22/imageea8779623978beda.png)
Title: Re: Coronavirus -- Other Divination arts.
Post by: Tientai ✝️ on February 22, 2020, 09:45:51 PM
Thank you dear Jlim  ..
Your translation is a much appreciated  ...
As you notice many ideogams are just as "codes" full of meaningful descriptions of the Query. .!!
 
also on Appraisals .. there is a spesific meaning .. !!
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Title: Re: Coronavirus -- Other Divination arts.
Post by: Tientai ✝️ on February 22, 2020, 10:26:43 PM
Coronavirus broke out at the end of Hai (Pig) year, before the change to Rat year!
I made the Query on 21 February 2020  And I take Tetragram 77
What you said above is consistent with date of Tai Xuan Jing  calendar  on Tetragram 77 (29 November -- 3 December 2019  ).. !!!

Would be nice if @The-Monk enlighten us with his good knowledge on Chinese language ..
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Title: Re: Coronavirus -- Other Divination arts.
Post by: tanpai on February 23, 2020, 08:50:53 AM
In medicine, patient compliance (also adherence, capacitance) describes the degree to which a patient correctly follows medical advice. Most commonly, it refers to medication or drug compliance…/Wiki/
Title: Question about Greece and Turkish borders
Post by: tanpai on March 03, 2020, 10:24:54 AM
I asked Tai Xuan Jing, 2020-03-02
ZHUNG
No 32.LEGIO/MULTITUDE
Crowd,   images of army, battles, tactical manouvers.
Apprisal 2:Weapons no blades . No armies are deplayed .Corpse is about to spread  the fields.
Death an elderly relative.
Apprisal 6:  Armies like  thunderbolts. Crapled in the arms.
The great king marches on. Strength demonstrations, including war screams to intimidate the enemy.
Apprisal  9:   Declining and declining . Seeing the sickness but not seeing the hearse.
Able resist total submission . It right to stop  ,wrong  attack.
The folly  of continured  agression.
Title: Re: Coronavirus -- Other Divination arts.
Post by: Tientai ✝️ on March 03, 2020, 04:29:01 PM
@tanpai , hi
I want to ask which method you used on making Tai xuan jing  divination. ..?
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Title: Re: Coronavirus -- Other Divination arts.
Post by: tanpai on March 03, 2020, 04:54:27 PM
Stalks  distribution . total of 36, then I look at the 9 apprisal and it depends on what time of day the question was made. If this is not taken into consideration, the reading will be very different ... ;D
Title: Re: Coronavirus -- Other Divination arts.
Post by: Tientai ✝️ on March 03, 2020, 05:43:58 PM
I use 64 stalks for Tai xuan jing divination ..
Is a method proposed by Derek Walters  ..
I start from upper part line and continue with next line being down the first ..and continue to build the lines six times .. right up the bottom  ... !!
I use only one appraisal. . Not three ..
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Title: Re: Coronavirus -- Other Divination arts.
Post by: tanpai on March 03, 2020, 05:53:44 PM
-things have a beginning, middle and end,
- but how can you choose one  app?
Title: Re: Coronavirus -- Other Divination arts.
Post by: Tientai ✝️ on March 03, 2020, 06:00:34 PM
-things have a beginning, middle and end,
- but how can you choose one  app?

(http://fivearts.org/fileserver/images/2020/03/03/Taixuanjing.png)
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Title: Re: Coronavirus -- Other Divination arts.
Post by: tanpai on March 03, 2020, 06:01:34 PM
„I use only one appraisal.”
If you make a tetragram for the previous case,  we'll see the difference ;D
Title: Re: Coronavirus -- Other Divination arts.
Post by: Tientai ✝️ on March 03, 2020, 09:42:18 PM
„I use only one appraisal.”
If you make a tetragram for the previous case,  we'll see the difference ;D

To reach to one appraisal by 64 stalks .. the 5th and 6th line can determine one number of the 9 ..
This will be the reffering appraisal  ....
See below ..
(http://fivearts.org/fileserver/images/2020/03/03/Taixuanjing--1.png)
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Title: Re: Coronavirus -- Other Divination arts.
Post by: tanpai on March 04, 2020, 08:53:36 AM
Using an assistant drastically reduces the current value of the tetragram.
But try the method for the Greco-Turkish situation, it will be interesting!
Title: Re: Coronavirus -- Other Divination arts.
Post by: Tientai ✝️ on March 04, 2020, 07:34:17 PM
Using an assistant drastically reduces the current value of the tetragram.
But try the method for the Greco-Turkish situation, it will be interesting!

Very interesting your TXJ divination .. on 32 Tetragram  ..LEGION / MULTITUDE
Crowd:  images of army, battles, tactical manouvers...!!

But I support only one Appraisal  ... so is difficult to focus on all three at the same time ( 2 - 6 -9 )
I believe the most significant is just one Appraisal  ..!!
Title: Re: Coronavirus -- Other Divination arts.
Post by: tanpai on March 04, 2020, 09:05:54 PM
Know a thing or two...there's a good bit of furniture in this room.
Things are coming together and I'm sure I'll be going places ...
I look forward to your example of one appraisal…
 ;D
Title: Re: Coronavirus -- Other Divination arts.
Post by: Tientai ✝️ on March 04, 2020, 09:46:22 PM
Tai Xuan Jing has close connection with 9 Star Qi .. and 9 star Qi is close connected with many aspects of Chinese metaphysics and particularly with Feng shui ...
The concept of time of making a divination par example focusing on the morning or evening or in the middle of the day when making TXT divination .. this can determine two things:
1. The position of the number of appraisal on the daily 9 star Qi .. or vice versa ..
2. the appraisal that can give a "textual  image" of the event ..

Yang Hsiung doesn't give any explanation on how to combine 9 star Qi. . (perhaps it was his secret !!)
Only later generations support this idea ..
That's the reason I use this method of TXT divination .. with 64 stalks .. reaching up to one Appraisal ..!!

Title: Re: Coronavirus -- Other Divination arts.
Post by: Sacrar on March 04, 2020, 11:32:48 PM
Very interesting @Tientai the divination with tetragrams. I am also interested in TXT, although I am afraid of finding abstract and ambiguous philosophical texts with a Daoist tinge that move away from the question, as classical I Ching usually does. How would you evaluate the difference from Liu Yao?
Title: Re: Coronavirus -- Other Divination arts.
Post by: Tientai ✝️ on March 12, 2020, 08:10:32 PM

QUERY:  Coronavirus outbreak ..
《太玄經 - Tai Xuan Jing》..

2.  Divination Method
易林  Yilin - Forest of Changes
[Han (206 BC - 220)] Jiao Yanshou

Explanation ….62 -- 51
門戶之居,-- Dwelling at home
可以止舍。-- able to lodge at an inn
進仕不殆,-- No danger in taking Office,
安樂相。   -- Peace and mutual protection

The best Medicine :
1. Remaining inside home for 14 days is a physical solution for Cvid19 for everyone .. noninfected
2. For infected must take medical care in hospital ..
3. After this situation people start working ..
4. All people will realize to have "peace must have mutual protection" each other ..
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Title: Re: Coronavirus -- Other Divination arts.
Post by: tanpai on March 13, 2020, 10:10:42 AM
2.  Divination Method
易林  Yilin - Forest of Changes
[Han (206 BC - 220)] Jiao Yanshou
Explanation ….62 – 51
https://ctext.org/yili/shao-lao-kui-shi-li/ens I'm interested in this divination method, I couldn't find a description of how you form 62-51