@Gmuli
Owh I was hoping that I might get some answers to why's and how's of this chart which I am not able to understand.

@Gmuli

I think Zi is losing wealth, Xu is the one that can change the mechanic.
But why it happens, what is there to learn or accomplish, I can't say without knowing the person. There are subtle movements we have to notice to see how it work.

knowing the chart holder? she is in direct contact with me these days, you may ask whatever you want to know please.

@Gmuli @tyc
i have read the conversation but I am someone who just have understood Bazi based on own interests and read all in chunks from here and there, whatever i found available any my major concern is to understand the personality, traits and why and what from Bazi. So take me as some basic learner here. I understood how you are trying to get the solution but so naive to get through the core. However, i have mentioned something about "Zi", the chart holder has got a Zi Dm back in 2019-20 who ended up the same way, approached the girl with intention to know her to get married, attraction no doubt was there but the conversation went downhill in Feb 2020 all as sudden, then that guy too took the (financial) favour from this girl mentioning his hard times etc. and never looked back, never returned anything not even when asked. He has (Rat Horse Dragon as i remember). Another Rat around just tried to flirt around, he wanted nothing but has physical attraction towards the girl. So in my understanding, I guess Rats dont work well. but let me attach other important parts of her chart here, may be that would help.

@Gmuli,

I think it has to be needed where its given to get return, sometimes. : )

About the first chart... Lets say chart owners stumbles on some money. She wonders on what she want and what people nearby her want. It doesn't seem that is possible to spend on both, so that takes some time. At some point she just spends them on something else far away to solve the tension.

Or in everyday life... She walks the streets with a family member. Both hungry, having 10$ and only she does. She wonders if she should buy for herself or for her family member... Can't decide and end up giving it to random person on the street, or buying something else.

Is it like that?Or something else?

It is like that she "earned" money through hard work, have plans for future with that savings. Right then,  someone asked her to help (financially in this particular scenario) and she out of good, offered what she can. And that someone took it forever to even appreciate her help or even returning back the finance, or even returning back the favour anyway even when asked out for to. Other than this, she is good at charity donating by her own will anyway.

@aeonrel thank you so much you are not just helping me over the chart details but also with much of other concepts as well. yu just are a mentor and i appreciate that you take alot of time to read out all the details and throughly explain much. This really means alot to me

- College time was bit off, lost interest, especially in maths (2004-2006)
Was she distracted with friends?

you may say that, but it was more like that she moved to "female" based, race based environment, somewhere where status different hit her hard, and gave her stress to survive and prove her wort it. It also lead to health issues in aug or sep 2005.

- 2006 onwards, close circle is of Males, couldn't get along with females
Can't see this specifically, but I'm thinking is it the Bing fire in 2006 and in the 2009-2018 LP?

its always like she feels more comfortable with males then females. in family even, she thinks father somehow understood her but for the mother she takes her only as "label" and nothing more. Her close friends are males and females even when she tried, were mean and selfish to her. yeah but her student circle of females is respectful to her.

But you mentioned she was freelancing?

let me mention that her career life has different flavours. in 2010 she started as a teacher, but she continued with her interest as Designer, kept learning and worked on some freelance projects in parallel. in 2014, resigned from teaching and joined research and development project as a designer. in 2015, invested and bore a heavy loss. It started in 2015 but continue till 2016 and she quit in jul 2016. Lifted herself back again, solely focused on freelance and turned it in to self employment by hiring people under her. This design based freelance thing continuously is there since 2010 in parallel. In 2020, as she has to Nurse her mother, that "responsibility" was given to her, it was like picking up between the 2, "career or responsibility" as both need her 24/7. So she picked responsibility. but that gap prolonged to 2021 and there had been similar issues till now including her fathers death which did not let her focus on career.

- 2015, Invested in partnership, faced huge loss, major financial and emotional setback
Some time within April-May?

mentioned above, kept continuously investing from 2015 and when she demanded her part in 2016, it all ended in mess (july 2016)

- 2017 dec, first ever travel to some other country
Before 7th Dec?

no travelled on 8th Dec

2015 I can see why, 2016 not so much.
But event could have happened in 2015, and 2016 was aftereffects.

exactly you are right, i have explained it above too.

This one is the confusing bit.

Explained above. In Aug 2020 she has to choose between responsibility and career, each required 24/7 focus. She has to choose "responsibility".

By right her mother is represented by Indirect Support, but I guess Zi contains Gui water HHS, so maybe it refers to the mother too...

You are right may be. Con in first glance even I was like someone with "Rat" can be a good match to her. and in fact she had people with "rat" in day pillars, but she say it can only be "timely romantic / sexual attractiveness" thing. She had one with Rat Horse Dragon combination, and was the same "taking advantage theme". She is mature and kind, stayed on giving end, and is never into "timely relationships". She demands a solid base for relationship which i guess Rats are reluctant to offer. (in her case)

Shen metal clashes Mao wood, which is a mirror for her DM (yin Wood), so yes, it is a tough time for her.

Isnt it like the Yi Mao should support the DM more? or is it that the clashes have more influence?

Can't conclude, but I lean towards not suitable because of his lack of female affinity.

Umm isn't this lack of female affinity goes in favour of the girl?   She told me that the guy himself chose her and asked no shit, they talked for marriage, about marriage and want to pursue it. Isn't it possible that he could be "one women person"? If you say he is morally upright, may be she wanted it the most. you said Shen metal is her Direct Officer and creates the need to follow rules/orders/process. so may be she needs someone like it. Regarding romance, she said she herself is moody so she understands and sometimes the way this guy expresses his likeness for her, she said its enough to melt.

I put in on this post to ask someone, like even you said that she has such chart which "people take advantage of", can you see something like it here too? and if you say it is the affinity in "her" chart itself that people take advantage of her, this means that no matter who she choose as partner will be the same. the rockiness of marriage is in her chart that whoever it is it wont matter. right? no matter what combination what element is there in other persons chart. is it so?

They never met, its been 2 years, every time theres some external factor which doesn't let them meet. why it could be so? and is there anything that can be done about it? how long will that keep happening?

I did a quick look through her LPs until late life....and I am sad to say there isn't an LP where it is 100% smooth for her.
So unfortunately, it will be more of catching specific years where luck is better and preparing for years where it is not.
If you are looking for chances for her to express her real self, then I recommend concentrating on fire years.
Her fire LPs were used up in her formative and schooling years.

She doesn't want a 100% smooth life. who even would desire so? from her life she want it something where she can grow like she is being designed to grow, an environment where she gets some support and someone to get back to. All for her she wants is to be an entrepreneur and she want to do something that her work speaks for her. something good for the society which the society could remember her for.

You have to specify which time period you want to investigate, then I can analyse and advise the favourable element for it.

umm favourable elements for next few years? something that even could help me to analyse and calculate so that i could guide her with my limited knowledge later. I am a learner only and her chart is a bit difficult for me to understand, its kind of a"transformative" chart for me and i don't know how to explain. but everything here like i said for "rats", it must work for it, but then i realised if she is a "grass" or "small plant" she only needs a lil water from top and a good levels of water under her, to grow naturally. Excess water like "rat could wast it away. and it happened so, she faced health issues in 2020, stress in 2022 which continued till 2023 and right now after OCT "a heavy stress" giving output, She now wants to focus on her real self, her passions and interests.

I suspect the bounding by family is the Shen metal in the Hour Pillar.

what can be done about it? can it work like introducing some friend with "Fire"? Because waiting for Fire pillars and seasons will introduce more stress in her.

No affinity with family, but wears the shackles bestowed upon her.
And her Wealth luck (Chen earth) is feeding these shackles.

Anyway to get rif of it?

If she marries, will be rocky.

Life itself is rocky, and she is mature enough to understand. She only needs someone to hear her when she fils up, she wants to get back to someone when she gets tired of standing tall. she just needs someone as her comfort zone. someone as home.

I want to ask something here, I don't know much but i have read through some case famous chart case studies available that after marriage, the charts starts to work as "one" too. pillars in one start effecting pillars in other too. whats missing in one starts filling the other too. so if even we say that these both charts are weak charts cant they be some good after merging and working together? aren't they not capable of working together as well? He got a fire combination, and being water, flowing towards wood and nurturing her up wont benefit him? water has to follow the downwards path anyways. Is he rigit enough not to flow in woods direction? she doesn't need all she just needs a lil of it? cant they relocate to some "Hot" area to fix some "fire" they miss. I know nothing about Bazi but just asking something out of curiosity.
one more thing. she is a "Pioneer" structure and he is the performer. She is wishing to be entrepreneur and He wants to be famous, given up on his some creative skills due to circumstances. Life has been hard to them both. Cant they both work their paths together? cant life get a lil easier for both but working together? any upcoming season, annual pillar, or luck supporting togetherness for good?

oh 
well let me see if i could get help from anyone else here

The suitor is 7 years younger?

His chart also needs fire to succeed and this fire is related to a marriage. However, there are multiple negative interactions between both natal charts: Chou-Xu-Wei, Chen-Xu, Chen-Mao... which looks terrible.

fire is related to a marriage? what does that mean?

how about fire if the girl is into design, creativity and business side of career? will that help her ? what are her favourable and non favourable elements? I believe that the initial years with Fire helped her chart to produce water from the metal, she is strong headed one, creative and disciplined. And that might have helped her grow. There have been health issues but she is not easy giving up.

the boy's chart has rabbit - Dog combination, a fire combination. how about that? similarly the girl's chart also have hidden combinations and support. In my limited understanding these both charts are supporting each others elements too. am i wrong in this analysis?

Also like i said, i just read very basic chunks of bazi, I don't know much about how the negative interactions would effect but yes he is younger, and from a very different culture, background, upbringing and status. Also the girl doesn't want him to be close to her family either. will these factors count for all these clashes you mentioned?