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Re: Self-punishment in Liu Yao
« Reply #15 on: May 22, 2020, 09:23:26 AM »
I could say that self punishment works " really" as punishment for conditions with favorable outcome. .   
Parking Space(SE) is a case with a favorable outcome.  Gmuli can correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think he felt any self-punishment when he happily found the parking space at Wu hour.  This is despite the hypothesis that Wu hour is in punishment with Wu Child line.  Child = hope/aspiration.
                                                                                                                               

Dear all hi ..
The querry was
 "will we find parking space when we return tomorrow?", ... so everything runs not for the day of divination but the next day !! So self punishment event is seen doesn't occur. .
Anyway There are many things must be done to clear out for this principle ... I think is very tricky .
Let  me clarify for this (all below are from my own experience ..no one must follow / is just for study only   )
1.This principle isn't a first choice when analyse an Hexagram but optional ...
2.Self punishment I accept mostly as "overload stuck " or "bound "
3.There are variations on occurance of this principle.  I noticed happen mostly in Wu - Wu / Hai - Hai
4. Someone can avoid the principle to happen if he chose another day and or month on asking ..!!
5. Would be ideal if a line in a Hexagram is moving , useful , self Ti - other Yong line, Yongshen, even choushen... to work with this principle.
6. I take back the favourable / unfavourable outcome .. for this principle. (I was placed in a quotation before. .)


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Re: Self-punishment in Liu Yao
« Reply #16 on: May 23, 2020, 06:38:31 AM »
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Re: Self-punishment in Liu Yao
« Reply #17 on: May 23, 2020, 07:47:52 AM »
Four Clusters of  Punishment for Bazi
A  troublesome relationship, it is externally induce but its perpetuated internally. It is usually easily identified as a back fire, trying to be good but end up getting in trouble. or the other side of the coin is seen as a betrayal where the people/situation that you most relied on come give you trouble instead. Generally speaking it is a production cycle went absolutely wrong, instead of producing the element, it went cannibalizing it instead.

1.Self Punishment – Self circled, set out to do something and self cancelled halfway due to self doubt. This is the hallmark of “I should have”, “If i had done that”, If i have known earlier”.
The 4 pairs are :
Chen- Chen ,
Wu - Wu
You - You
Hai - Hai

2.Ungrateful Punishment – Set out to do something good and get blame instead.
It can be:
Yin-Si,
Si-Shen
Yin-Shen.

3.Bullying Punishment – Set out to help but end up harming.
It can be :
Wei-Chou,
Chou-Xu
Xu-Wei.

4.Uncivilized Punishment – holy grail of all punishment, the person that you trust the most is taking advantage of you.
Explanation :
Gui-Yi (water produce wood) when too much wood, water get exhausted while too much Water, wood get flooded. 
It can be:
Zi - Mao
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Re: Self-punishment in Liu Yao
« Reply #18 on: May 23, 2020, 02:42:56 PM »
Thanks ren for you detailed reply, and your confirmation that there was no strong indication for self-punishment in that game.
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Re: Self-punishment in Liu Yao
« Reply #19 on: May 23, 2020, 03:37:19 PM »
Thanks ren for you detailed reply, and your confirmation that there was no strong indication for self-punishment in that game.

At least I won in correct prediction ..!!!
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