Moving - Quiet lines SPECIAL (LYYG)

[Tientai ✝️]

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[Gmuli]

a.) is interesting idea.So when a line combines with Day or Month the change will start right away...

In Sacrars last question :
http://fivearts.org/index.php?topic=1128.msg9008#msg9008

The others line is in combination with the Month and its "approaching" or "meeting" etc the day, so can we say that he is suppose to have his internet right away?

[Tientai ✝️]

Gmuli, hi ...
@Sacrar 's case is not involved on this principle ... !!
The moving 6th Yin line on Sacrars case is "currently " involved in bondage with month Hai...

A quick answer for you is if qurrently a moving line is bounded then is stacked ...!!

This principle (among many others ) confirm the differences  when arranging a moving line in Liu Yao vs textual (classical) Yijing ..

I need time !! .. later on I will try to enumerate by covering up many "Scenarios " of Moving - Quiet lines
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[Gmuli]

Fair enough, will be interesting to see. : )

[Tientai ✝️]

 http://fivearts.org/index.php?topic=1150.msg9028#msg9028
Reminder:
 You may click this link to see the original post .. Today I placed themes there !!
Your comments and discussion is appreciated. ..
Thanks ..

[JLim (Darma W)]

Tientai, it seems quite interesting, I will have a look for some comments when I have more time.   

[Tientai ✝️]

Tientai, it seems quite interesting, I will have a look for some comments when I have more time.   

You are welcome dear Jlim ..
I try to be inclusive on "Moving -  Quiet lines" theme ..!!
I think is very useful to our members ..
Still I want your comment whenever you have time ..
Thanks again ..
Tt.

[Gmuli]

Your comments please. .

Good job, a lot of stuff gathered and systematized, I'm sure that can help members.
However, as already mentioned, I'm not using the rules Alex Chiu and Jack Chiu are using, currently. I think around 20-30% of what they are using overlaps with the current rules I like, so I don't know what I can comment on, more then that...  Still its very impressive topic, good work! : )

[JLim (Darma W)]

Tientai, I haven't read all the instances in your original post, but just make a comment on this one:

#9: in my opinion the changed line cannot impose an effect on the Hidden Line.

[JLim (Darma W)]

(AC)
Scope: Quiet line VS clashing with " Present - Future time"
1. If a Quiet line at present is strong by Month (when tossing coins) but is clashed (Chong Po ) with a day branch ..
a) then Will start its "Secret Movement " and become effective

Will start its movement and become effective :
a.) when (in future ) reach a month or a Day to bound (Liu he) with it..

Hi All,
I have one current client case where the Yong Shen Zi Water is produced by Month You Metal and clashed by Day Wu Fire.
The Yong Shen was obtained in the month Hai Water.  Beginning of Hai Month.  So the querent did not need to wait until Zi Month.   

This case fulfills rule #1.
Day of realization: Wei Day, because Wei combines (Liu He) with Wu Fire.  Fulfills rule a (although it's not part of rule 1).

The case is a query whether or not to rent a new business warehouse for 3 years.  Summary: as I advised my client (based on the hexagram), this new warehouse is good to rent.  Just a couple of weeks after making a deal with the warehouse owner, my client has given a feedback: the warehouse is very good because the owner is extra helpful with the renovation!

Actually there was already a movement when tossing coins: my client was already looking at this warehouse.I keep my client's cases with this app, hope that it's not too difficult to read.  Yong Shen is first line Zi Water.

[Tientai ✝️]

Yes, Tientai, you're right, that's the one in your Reply #10.  I had edited my post before you posted Reply #10.

And as I understand the important line is what Zi Parent (Yongshen ) produces ("intention " trying to help ..)... is 2nd yin Brother quiet line === (but when this line can move ?) ---
only  if Bounded in future 

. B. Category of Quiet Line in usage  (just as Ti-Self, Yong-Other, Yongshen line etc. )
Scope: Quiet line VS Bounding with " Present - Future time"

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(when will this happen ? ) === on bounded with Hai water ..

Actually there was already a movement when tossing coins: my client was already looking at this warehouse.

This was the actual 2nd line Brother to look for Warehouse and "to spend money" for it...
On Hai water coming month ..
Another possibility in explanation and nearby to Hai water month is the end of Xu month  .. !!
This can explained by 3rd Chen wealth line that is bounbing with You metal month .. so when this bondage breaks by a future clash .. (Xu month on this case ) .. then this bound will be freed  .. and Chen line will be as a secretly moving line .. !!
Very good example @JLim ...
Thanks a lot.
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[Tientai ✝️]

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[JLim (Darma W)]

I have a remark on this part:

Expected date that something may happen according to Liu Yao Yi Gua. .
According to (SS) .. agree mostly with (AC)
If the type of Query is : When a Change may occur ?

1. A Yongshen's line branch is on month break >>>>
....

Or, the expected change never occurs, depending on the configuration of Month Break.  For example, in this configuration:

月沖日剋，值月破而被剋，如樹無根
Month Break and overcome by Day, like a tree without root.

There is one case where a person who divined his own illness, and the Yong Shen is Parent/Self line.  He died...
Quiz 29- A person made a Divination for his Own illness

[Tientai ✝️]

I have a remark on this part:

Expected date that something may happen according to Liu Yao Yi Gua. .
According to (SS) .. agree mostly with (AC)
If the type of Query is : When a Change may occur ?

1. A Yongshen's line branch is on month break >>>>
....

Or, the expected change never occurs, depending on the configuration of Month Break.  For example, in this configuration:

月沖日剋，值月破而被剋，如樹無根
Month Break and overcome by Day, like a tree without root.

There is one case where a person who divined his own illness, and the Yong Shen is Parent/Self line.  He died...
Quiz 29- A person made a Divination for his Own illness

Yes dear Jlim .. "the expected date that may happen " can also interpreted as "expected date may be ominous for life "...

But the above ancient  example speaks for month break Si plus day wei overcome the Yongshen parent Hai  water ..
Ok isn't consistent with all above principles but a quiet line can show its validity (even for worse  )  when is bounded .
On this case Yongshen Hai is bounded by the coming date with Yin  ..
Ok Ancient text says Mao .. but yin is closer to Mao ..!! (perhaps an inference or
a slight deviation to real date Mao .. )
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