Nutrition - miscellaneous

[Gmuli]

I do eat meat, just not very often I explained in the other topic somewhere.
I don't eat chicken and a few others, though, although that has exceptions as well.

Last few months I've been reading some studies done during the years that combined with some other stuff changed my point of view a lot...

While in the past I have tried no meat for 2 years, I never tried no animal products at all and it seems there is something important there.

Anyway, I'm trying no animal products at all last few months and I'm starting to think that animal products were very likely one of the main reasons for all the problems. Turns out there are many studies showing link between autoimmune problems and events connected to animal products early in life and that fits perfectly here.

I do feel good lately and the rest is a long story, yet as we had questions about the problems back then it seemed fair to clear out the cause in my view. And the main cause seems to be events related to animal products very early in life with heavy consumption during life later on.

I know people often have very strong opinions on this topic, so won't go into details, not trying to convince anyone either, yet I know how important feedback is on questions, so just seem fair to mention it now, as I've been trying the new way of eating for a while and I do think I understand the whole process much better now.

[Tientai ✝️]

Very good to you @Gmuli .. eating healthy is more important in our days...!!
Imunity can come up with proper eating and God thinking (Meditation or Qigong way ) ..!!
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[JLim (Darma W)]

Anyway, I'm trying no animal products at all last few months and I'm starting to think that animal products were very likely one of the main reasons for all the problems. Turns out there are many studies showing link between autoimmune problems and events connected to animal products early in life and that fits perfectly here.

Compliments to you that you have been dieting with no animal products!  Autoimmune problems and animal products... okay, I take a note of it for future reference.

[Tientai ✝️]

Just on watching with Proteins !!
Animal proteins have 20 Amino - Acids 
Phyto proteins have 17 Amino - Acids. ..!! (3 are missing !!)
@Gmuli .. that the reason we don't be totally inclined to vegetarian diets ..!!
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[Gmuli]

That is how the story goes, yes, also difficult to get some of the vitamins(B), as getting them from the soil is rarely option now, yet animal meat would have it(although again from that same soil).
There is soo much that can be said... About the eyes, about intestines, about chemical processes that work in the body itself and how the stuff that we use is made by the body...

I remember some years ago defending the opposite position in places where I wish still existed, so I could correct the stuff I thought was thoroughly researched back then. There is much that could be said... But seems pointless to go into it now...

Anyway, we shouldn't go into it, its one of those topics, like politics and some other stuff, that people hold very strongly to their point of view based on what they know at the time. I know as I was supporting meat years ago, much less supporting it last 7-8 years and staying as far away from it as I can now. And I think my desire for arguing about it got less and less with time, even though what I know increased(as unevitable happens as life progresses).

[ren]

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[Tientai ✝️]

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[Gmuli]

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Interesting book one may like:
https://www.amazon.com/China-Study-Comprehensive-Nutrition-Implications/dp/1941631568/

The results of the study is available free on their website as well in csv with the questionnaires in pdfs etc.
So if we use Deep Learning or just similar data mining approach, and we have doubts in the results and the way they are formulated, we can figure out stuff on our own...

In the world we life in, that is the kind of info that doesn't reach most people... And in the rare cases it does is usually violently pushed away... In my country, even though it was published just a few years ago, the book is already very, very difficult to find in my language, not to mention 10 times more expensive then its original price, more or less(good I can read in English, of course)...

Yet it takes courage to publish a book like this... We are all seeking the truth in our own ways, so I think I have to post at least a link to it...
And yea, I know there are a lot of people that are saying exactly the opposite and they all are citing studies usually in isolated context and often originating from the people that wrote that one, but twisted ithrough the years... And many of them have been looked at in different sites and interviews... Still don't want to argue with that, but I should at least post a link to a book I enjoy on the topic.

[ren]

Gmuli,

Thanks for sharing. I have heard of this book - just have not had a chance to come across it.

There is a Harvard 60 years and going study on aging [https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2017/04/over-nearly-80-years-harvard-study-has-been-showing-how-to-live-a-healthy-and-happy-life/]. I think I also know of a multi generational dietary study also done in America. I need some time to sniff that one out.

ren

[Gmuli]

I really liked the book, near the end he explains how the corporations are actually making the image of their product as healthy... It is understandable, they are helping their investors and their products get more popular and integrated into society with time while the government doesn't really care for most of that...

Its very interesting to follow. Harvard study, I watched the TED talk some time ago, I do agree with this conditions... Although,Tibetan monks that live alone in the mountains would likely strongly disagree that being alone is so bad... So it all depends how we read the data that we got and where we take it from, I guess...

From what I can remember, there was a lecture of the Dalai Lamas teacher(after the monk that is appointed to say where he will incarnate there is a teacher that helps him remember again if needed) on parts of Naropas book  in a museum in a city some decades ago. In the audience there were more then a few people that had lived alone in caves in the mountain for decades, but now came down just for that(no idea how they knew, I would guess stuff like that finds its way to people that can take part in it)...

If the study was made with that audience alone, I would guess the results would be different.

In that sense a study is only as good as the circumstances its made in allow it to be...