Offspring as intelligence and skills (?)

[Sacrar]

The relative/kin Offspring is sometimes associated with Production (Output) and sometimes with Intelligence/Skills.

Can anyone give ideas of the underlying logic where Offspring represents intelligence, skills, and at the same time is ruining/destroying the Officer (power, status, control). How is this paradox solved?

Generally if we ask for a job, we have the Officer as Yong shen, and this shows our ability to successfully do the job. On the other hand, if we see a Offspring moving around destroying the Officer, we usually read it as "inability/incompetence" for that job.

So how can Offspring be intelligence and skills?

[The-Monk]

The relative/kin Offspring is sometimes associated with Production (Output) and sometimes with Intelligence/Skills.

Can anyone give ideas of the underlying logic where Offspring represents intelligence, skills, and at the same time is ruining/destroying the Officer (power, status, control). How is this paradox solved?

Generally if we ask for a job, we have the Officer as Yong shen, and this shows our ability to successfully do the job. On the other hand, if we see a Offspring moving around destroying the Officer, we usually read it as "inability/incompetence" for that job.

So how can Offspring be intelligence and skills?

If I am not mistaken, your actual question and issue, is that you believe that work/job needs intelligence/skills and the ability to produce something out from it, and because of this, you are having trouble understanding why in WWG, the Offspring line (that represents production, intelligence/skills) would be detrimental to work/a job. Correct?

[Sacrar]

The relative/kin Offspring is sometimes associated with Production (Output) and sometimes with Intelligence/Skills.

Can anyone give ideas of the underlying logic where Offspring represents intelligence, skills, and at the same time is ruining/destroying the Officer (power, status, control). How is this paradox solved?

Generally if we ask for a job, we have the Officer as Yong shen, and this shows our ability to successfully do the job. On the other hand, if we see a Offspring moving around destroying the Officer, we usually read it as "inability/incompetence" for that job.

So how can Offspring be intelligence and skills?

If I am not mistaken, your actual question and issue, is that you believe that work/job needs intelligence/skills and the ability to produce something out from it, and because of this, you are having trouble understanding why in WWG, the Offspring line (that represents production, intelligence/skills) would be detrimental to work/a job. Correct?

Yes, that is one of the problems, but not the main point. Since we can see the Officer as skills/control Offspring can simply be all that spoils skills/control. Then the problem comes what do we do when we see Offspring as skills/intelligence, in which cases does it apply, and if we ask about labour issues we shouldn't associate intelligence and skills with Offspring... I don't know if I make myself clear.

It seems that depending on the topic or issue we are asking about we have to set the framework before casting what Offspring will stand for:
- Or Production/outputs
- Or incompetence/immaturity/irresponsibility
- Or Intelligence/skills
- Or Happiness/satisfaction/fulfilment

But we cannot choose both at the same time, otherwise we run into logical problems.

It may also be that Offspring has a controlling (ke) relationship with the Officer (for example a a line of resting Offspring controlling a line of Officers in associate or prosperous status), in case it is not a destructive relationship. So in that case it is not out of logic.

[Sacrar]

An illustrative case. I asked how successful I would be in the medium term within an alliance in a wargame, bearing in mind that my success depends on the success of the alliance (team play), and therefore it is an interdependent success.


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It was a quick query so I didn't establish a solid frame of reference, so maybe it can be read as a "general framework", as Gmuli says. But I did think that if I saw a Offspring moving it would be bad for the success of the Alliance (childishness, lack of seriousness, lack of involvement, lack of responsibility and lack of commitment).

The case in this hexagram is that we see Offspring moving, but it is in the resting stage (xiu). Since it is a game and implies fun it becomes confusing to read, since Offspring can represent either that, fun, as well as strategy, planning, team coordination (intelligence/skills).

[Sacrar]

@The-Monk Please could you give some views on the question raised, is the approach the right one? Thanks you.

[JLim (Darma W)]

An illustrative case. I asked how successful I would be in the medium term within an alliance in a wargame, bearing in mind that my success depends on the success of the alliance (team play), and therefore it is an interdependent success.

You want to enquire about the success of your alliance (team play).  To me, this suggests Sibling as a Yong Shen.  What do you think?

[Sacrar]

One thing that helped me understand this. These are quotes from Joseph Yu.

- Notable people consider Officer as the Officer Star. Ordinary people consider Ghost as terrifying.
- Noble people consider Offspring line as evil. Ordinary People consider Offspring line as the Fortune God.

Officer is a star that controls people. Ghost is a star que brings worried and obstruction. For example, storms and wind obsctuting the way, sickness, and lawsuit, theft and robbery can all make people unhappy. Fortunate God (Offspring) can stop Officer/Ghost. It can therefore relief people from worries and anxiety.

So when we think of Offspring as skills and intelligence we mean those skills and intelligence to solve the problems caused that fall into the category of the Officer (theft, crime, ghosts, misery, misfortune, litigation...).

[Sacrar]

An illustrative case. I asked how successful I would be in the medium term within an alliance in a wargame, bearing in mind that my success depends on the success of the alliance (team play), and therefore it is an interdependent success.

You want to enquire about the success of your alliance (team play).  To me, this suggests Sibling as a Yong Shen.  What do you think?

I'm sorry I didn't see your reply at the time.

Thinking about how the alliance ended up, shortly after enquiry, where the most players dropped out, and they went to another alliance with more power and players, maybe it could be the sibling, since it gets clash by the day and month. It is possible.

But I set before launching the Officer as yongshen (power, success). So we can look at both I guess. I am not sure. It's a bit confusing hexagram.