Football prediction, Self / Other and changed line in kong wan

[Sacrar]

Hi all!

During this season an important football competition is being played in Spain, Copa del Rey (King's Cup), and so I take the opportunity to practice Liu Yao. In my last consultation I ran into a problem. I asked who will win. It's Real Sociedad vs. Mirandes. I got Kuan Zhi P'i

It turns out that both, Self and Other, Wei earth, are in Kong Wan. Also the line changed in 4th position Wu fire. In this case it's better to redraw a new hexagram (re-casting)?. I wonder what will happen for other type of queries, since this Kuan hexagram, having Wei in Self and Other must be a headache.

[Tientai ✝️]

X 1 ..
Let's see ..

[Sacrar]

In case it was useful the match is played tomorrow, 13 th Febr.

[JLim (Darma W)]

Hi Sacrar,

Self line is Kong Wang (empty)
Others line is also Kong Wang
Self line changes also to Kong Wang

Identical Self & Others lines, and many Kong Wang's on important lines, can happen because this is not a "real" case where the querent has great importance on the matter being enquired.  Your mind and heart is not biased to one of the teams.

[Tientai ✝️]

Thanks dear Jlim on this ...
Interesting inknowing how an Hexagram can mirroring qerrents intention ... or bias !!
But anyway ..  on this condition the Qery can't  give any answer who may win ?l

I wondered  Par example ..
1.if we accept  "what is moving is not in Kong wang " .. isn't enough to tell Self line has more chances (Real Sociedad) .. to win this match ?
Or ..
2.  Kong Wangs on self - Other lines   . . The match has many chances to be Draw...?
Thanks anyway ..

[JLim (Darma W)]

1.if we accept  "what is moving is not in Kong wang " .. isn't enough to tell Self line has more chances (Real Sociedad) .. to win this match ?

But what does the moving line change to?  Another Kong Wang.

[Tientai ✝️]

Some interesting tips from Wild Crane's Oldman book :
世應俱空，人無准實。
When (S)hi or Ying - Others are entirely in Empty [kong], people not have
accurate Reality [honest, truth]
...
動空化空，皆成凶吉。
If an Empty moving line and changed line is Empty , in all cases finish with
ominous luck.
...
空化空，雖空弗空。
If an Empty that changes to Empty, although Empty there is not [existing in ] Empty
[kong].
....
Just for reference
Tt.

[Tientai ✝️]

X 1 ..
Let's see ..

I may have won by coincidence this time .. (Real Sociedad is a winner = 1 )
But we don't need to be so strict with Kong Wang on this case ..!!
And of course we must be biased with a team when place a query on Football Category ...

[Sacrar]

Self line is Kong Wang (empty)
Others line is also Kong Wang
Self line changes also to Kong Wang

Identical Self & Others lines, and many Kong Wang's on important lines, can happen because this is not a "real" case where the querent has great importance on the matter being enquired.  Your mind and heart is not biased to one of the teams.

You're right. I ask a lot of questions to practice and it's normal at some point to disconnect mentally and emotionally from a real interest in knowing who will win. I've noticed such a phenomenon. That's why I try to ask about a few games/matches and select them for relevance.

This phenomenon of subject and another in kong wan was commented by tanpai in another case.

Subject and Object  empty, we don't value this question.
Probably the woman's question is testing, that is not current
circumstance for man and woman.

http://fivearts.org/index.php?topic=927.msg6594#msg6594

Thanks dear Jlim on this ...
Interesting inknowing how an Hexagram can mirroring qerrents intention ... or bias !!
But anyway ..  on this condition the Qery can't  give any answer who may win ?l

I wondered  Par example ..
1.if we accept  "what is moving is not in Kong wang " .. isn't enough to tell Self line has more chances (Real Sociedad) .. to win this match ?
Or ..
2.  Kong Wangs on self - Other lines   . . The match has many chances to be Draw...?
Thanks anyway ..

I may have won by coincidence this time .. (Real Sociedad is a winner = 1 )
But we don't need to be so strict with Kong Wang on this case ..!!
And of course we must be biased with a team when place a query on Football Category ...

I did the same, remove the aspect of emptiness from the equation, since if we associate it with an aspect of the mind of who is asking the rest of the elements could give us clues as to who will win.

Clues that helped me:
 - H. 12 derived/changed is six combinations. In theory it favors the Host (Real Society)
- Subject is in concordant position (yin line on L4, even position), on the contrary Other is yin line and should be yang.
- Subject is active, being vitalized and linked to the changed line. The Parent movement that moves Officer: highly auspicious movement for career/fame issues.
- Another is inactive line and there is no support for other lines. It is in a worse position 
- Trigrams: upper (wood) dominates lower (earth): favors Subject.

And other additional secondary aspects, looking at the changed hexagram, we could also look at shen san symbolic stars.

In any case, that RS wins may be due to mere chance.

[Sacrar]

Some interesting tips from Wild Crane's Oldman book :
世應俱空，人無准實。
When (S)hi or Ying - Others are entirely in Empty [kong], people not have
accurate Reality [honest, truth]
...
動空化空，皆成凶吉。
If an Empty moving line and changed line is Empty , in all cases finish with
ominous luck.
...
空化空，雖空弗空。
If an Empty that changes to Empty, although Empty there is not [existing in ] Empty
[kong].
....
Just for reference
Tt.

Very interesting, thanks you for sharing.

I don't quite understand this.

空化空，雖空弗空。
If an Empty that changes to Empty, although Empty there is not [existing in ] Empty
[kong].

If a empty/void changes to empty/void, there is no real Void??

[Tientai ✝️]

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