STELLAR MOMENTS OF FOOTBALL, THE KING: PELÉ (1)

[DiegoFS]

Edson Arantes do Nascimento, Pelé, has been considered by football specialists as the greatest and most complete player in the history of this sport. He evolved alternating his position as a midfielder and as a false nine, in most of his sports career at Santos in Brazil and in the National Team of his country. They started calling him "Pelé", because as a child he played with bare feet, because his poor family had no way to buy him some slippers. He made his professional debut at the age of 15, on September 7, 1956 and made his debut scoring a goal against Corinthians, he was the great figure of the match.

Although he officiated at a time when football was measured more by talent than by statistics, he was the founder of the beautiful game in 1958, among his record: 3 World Cups (1958, 1962 and 1970), being the one that He has gotten it younger with 17 years. With Santos he won 2 times the Intercontinental Club Cup, an Intercontinental Super Cup, 2 times the Copa Libertadores, a Recopa Sudamericana, 6 Brasileiraos, 10 times the Paulista Championship, 4 of the Rio Sao Paulo Tournament and scored 1,284 goals (750 were official), of which 92 hat-tricks are counted in his career as a footballer in 1,300 games. In a match against Botafogo, he scored eight goals, that happened in 1964, the final score was 11-0.

He was a very complete athlete, when he picked up speed in the center of the field he had the power of Usain Bolt, but at the same time the ability to dribble in a confined space, hitting medium or short distance with both legs, an excellent free-throw collector, to Despite not being tall, he has been one of the best headers in the history of football (at his expense Gordon Banks, the second best goalkeeper of the 20th century, signed the best save of the last century at the World Cup in Mexico, 1970), expert in managing passes between the lines, great inventiveness and he was also an extraordinary goalkeeper (he officially demonstrated it on four occasions), he is reminded of the occasion when he had to act as a goalkeeper at the end of a match against Gremio de Porto Alegre ( with 2 impressive saves as goalkeeper) this happened in the Semifinal of the Brazil Cup in 1963. Coincidentally in the previous part of that same match he had scored a hat-trick and of course, his team came to play here. the final.

He just turned 80 years old, and this BaZi Astrology research paper is a tribute to his sports career. He was born on October 22, 1940 at 3 in the afternoon in the municipality of Tres Corazones in the State of Minas Gerais in Brazil.

It is worth clarifying that there are two wrong versions of his Natal Chart: Marcello Borges indicates that his date of birth was October 21; Although on the other hand, Trendl claims that his birth was on October 23, Bordoni takes this same date from an autobiography, according to the quote from Getulio Bittencouret who took the reference from the Birth Registration Office on October 23 at 3 a.m. Astrologer Marion March cites as correction of the time: 1:20 in the morning and Starkman contributes 2:50 in the morning.

According to the guidelines of Chinese Astrology: Bāzì 八字, if Pelé had been born on October 21, or failing that on October 23, in either case, he would have been an ordinary footballer, with little recognition, The reason for such an argument is that it would have a Direct Officer (Zhèng Guān 正 官) and a Nutrition Factor (Shí Shén 食神), quite vulnerable and with fragile Deans (Yuàn Zhǎng 院長), with very little strength. It is just obvious and common sense that for a Master Day (Jiàoshī Jié 教師 節) to achieve international glory, fame and recognition, it must have an enclave of promising Energies to escort it.

According to these criteria and without any doubts, Edson Arantes do Nascimento, Pelé, was born on October 20, 1940 at 3 in the morning, this is the true Rectified Natal Chart and the one that meets the appropriate energy criteria for King Pelé to reach the pinnacle of world notoriety. Unfortunately, Chaldean Astrology (of the West), not only lacks the set of Energies of the Bāzì 八字, but also does not withstand a background analysis, since only the positions of the planets of the solar system, the 12 houses, the radio angulations are calculated (aspects), the dignities, dispositors, focal determinants, preponderances, deficiencies and a series of variables that only immerse the Professional Astrologer in the field of doubts and speculation regarding their interpretation.

Pelé's Natal Chart (Bāzì 八字) focuses on a Useful Energy (Yòng Shén 用 神) Yang Earth (Wù 戊) and configures it as a Frame (Géjú Pài 格局 派) in Nutrition Factor (Shí Shén 食神) that he facilitates a favorable raid (Shùn Yòng 顺 用) and perpetuates himself as District Master Governor (Qū Zhǎng 区长) on the horizon of time. On the other hand, the Decree of the Month (Yuè Lìng 月 令) classifies her within the key factor Cold Dew (Hán Lù 寒露), with her Energy (Qí 齊) Dominant: the Yin Fire (Dīng 丁) that acts in a relatively relative role. secondary as Edge of the Yang Knife (Lùn Yáng Rèn 论 阳 刃). The Pillar of the Month clearly forms a Miscellaneous Energy (Zá Qì 杂 气).

One of its greatest potentials is the presence of the Herald Nine (Mù 墓), whose Storage upon interacting with the Dog (Xū 戌) brings a Special Force (Yǒu Lì 有力) to King Pelé; If to that factor we add that the Direct Officer (Zhèng Guān 正 官) represented by the Yin Water (Guǐ 癸) that is glimpsed in the Tombs of the Month and of the Year, is supported under the Tcheu Cycle (Law of Interdominance) of the Nutrition Factor (Shí Shén 食神) <present in the Earthly Branches of the Month and the Year and in the Secondary Qi of the Palace of the Day and the Hour> we can easily diagnose the achievement of great triumphs, titles, fame and notoriety in international football.

In particular, the Wet Wood (Shī Mù 湿 木) anchored in the Village of the Year makes him very diplomatic. The aggression of the Clay Earth (Nián Tǔ 粘土) of the Terrestrial Branch (Dìzhī 地支) of the Month on the Direct Officer (Zhèng Guān 正 官) present in the Tomb of the Marriage Palace, affects to a certain degree the relationship with his partner, but is it becomes more acute in those times of his life in which an excess of Yang Fire (Bǐng 丙) is present, which comes to trigger fights and even divorces. On the other hand, the presence of two Traveling Horses (Yì Mǎ 驿马) in the Palacio de la Hora, opened the possibilities of traveling to many countries in the world.

The Empty Sky (Tiān Kōng 天空), arranged in intercalated Pillars (Day and Year), are facilitators so that the Shock and Damages present in the Topic (6 Interactions), are cushioned and engender a Balance in the Topic in question.

Now we are going to detail two dates of his moments of glory: the day of the Final of the World Cup in Sweden (1958) and when he scored his thousandth goal at Maracana (1969), in both cases his Deanery (Yuàn Zhǎng 院長) went to the Center (Dào Zhōngxīn 到 中心):

FOOTBALL WORLD CUP FINAL, SWEDEN 1958:

Game that was played at 3 in the afternoon on that Sunday, June 29, at the Råsunda Stadium (in Solna, an area that includes the Stockholm Metropolitan Area), and with the presence of 51,800 spectators. Pelé scored the third goal for his team at minute 10 of the second half, there he executed his famous "balloon" and shot local goalkeeper Kalle Swensson with a creeping shot, and later at minute 90, he finished the fifth target, in that play he surpassed to two defenders in acrobatic form, Pelé heads the ball and it describes a slow parable that finally enters the net. That match ended with the score: Sweden (2), Brazil (5).

In a long-term horizon, the Deanery (Yuàn Zh院長ng 院長) Rat (Zi Tierra) of Yang Earth (Wù 戊) that lasted between December 2, 1956, until 1966, the King of Soccer, carried three Star Commanders ( Jiāng Xīng 将 星), which potentially led him to become a celebrity during all those years, but at the same time on the date that we have been analyzing, two Transformations (Biànhuà 变化) that happened during that month, in effect, are additionally visualized. the most important, is represented in the Adjacent Pillars of the Month and the Natal Year: Yang Earth (Wù 戊) and Yin Water (Guǐ 癸), Nutrition Factor (Shí Shén 食神) and the Direct Officer (Zhèng Guān 正 官), respectively, that led to the transition to a Clay Earth (Nián Tǔ 粘土); but simultaneously, between the Hour and the Month, a Transformation (Biànhuà 变化) is also observed, between the Yang Fire (Bǐng 丙) and the Yin Metal (Xīn 辛), which became Yang Water (Rén 壬), that is, in a Direct Officer (Zhèng Guān 正 官). In both cases, the catalyst was the Horse (Wǔ 午) present in that month of June. These are typical rules that operate according to the Theory of Transformations.

To catapult Pelé in a definitive and conclusive way towards orbital stardom, the Nutrition Factor (Shí Shén 食神) of the Yang Earth (Wù 戊) was also decisive, by establishing an Overwhelming Cheng Cycle (Law of Over-dominance) on the Direct Officer ( Zhèng Guān 正 官), Yin Water (Guǐ 癸) that on that date was toned thanks to the contribution of the Primary Qi of the Day, the Storage Energy of the Year and the Earthly Branch (Dìzhī 地支) of the Deanery (Yuàn Zhǎng 院長).

All these Key Points (Tígāng 提纲), were accelerators of the triumph of that 17-year-old in said World Cup, and that could be made known to the followers of this sport throughout the world.

However, in the days prior to the World Cup, the Brazil National Team faced Corinthians in a preparation match. There, Ari Clemente, a defender of the São Paulo team, swept Pelé with excessive force and injured his right knee. Although he traveled to Sweden, Pelé was on the verge of being excluded from the call by coach Vicente Feola, but thanks to a therapy with boiling towels he was able to make his debut against the Soviet Union team of Lev Yashin, at the Ullevi stadium in Gothenburg, June 15 (Brazil was seeded in group four).

In those days, two energetic situations arose: the Star of Disaster (Zāi Shā 災 煞) settled inside the Horse (Wǔ 午) and in addition, the Energy of the Edge of the Yang Knife (Lùn Yáng Rèn 论 阳 刃), was pointing recklessly towards the Yin Metal (Xīn 辛), the Direct Wealth (Zhèng Cái 正 财), which in Traditional Chinese Medicine, is representing the bones of the patella (interpolated with the Kidney Meridian (Shèn de) of Pelé Fortunately, the Energies described in the preceding Transformations and with the accompaniment of the Humid Earth present in the Rat (Zi 子) of Yang Earth (Wù 戊) of the Deanery (Yuàn Zhǎng 院長) projected the brightness of the Metal Jīn 金 (within the Frame of Wealth Fù Yǒu 富有 of the Graphic) and thus there was a conglomerate of Energies that conspired so that Pelé recovered from his injury, could play and triumph in the World Cup in Sweden.

GOAL NUMBER THOUSAND, MAXIMUM PENALTY IN MARACAN�:

We now move to the north of Rio de Janeiro, on the grass of the mythical Maracanã Stadium, it is on November 19, 1969, Vasco da Gama and Santos faced off as a visitor, in the stands there are 65,157 spectators, Pelé plays his match 909, and was valid for the Roberto Gomes Pedrosa Tournament or Silver Cup, which is the equivalent of the current Brasileirao.

At 33 minutes into the second half, the Vasco defender: René committed a penalty on Pelé who received a pass from Clodoaldo. The referee Manoel Amaro de Lima ordered the execution of the penalty kick. Pelé walked slowly and hit the ball with the inner edge of his right foot, adjusted to the left post of Argentine goalkeeper Edgardo Norberto “the Cat� Andrada, who tried his best, but could not contain it, the ball crossed the goal line at 11 and 11 at night. Andrada did not want to suffer Pelé's goal because he thought that he would cease to be recognized as a good goalkeeper and would go on to be remembered only for being the goalkeeper who received Pelé's thousandth goal.

Seconds later, Pele among the cluster of photographers, appeared carried on his shoulders by the crowd, most of them were fans of the local team. Then Agnaldo and Carlos Alberto, two teammates from his Santos team, carried him on their shoulders for the first Olympic lap. After that, Pelé was replaced by another player until the King burst in with a Basque shirt on which the number 1,000 was written and took another Olympic lap to increase the happiness of the Rio fans. Amid all the hubbub, the game stopped for 25 minutes. The final result was 1 to 2 in favor of Santos.

We now transpose the energetic diagnosis of the Bāzì 八字, the dynamic transit of the Charter. As is customary in a Birth Chart of a very famous person, Control K (Qī Shā 七杀) becomes an Indirect Officer (Guān Piān Guān 官 偏 官), by virtue of the presence of the Seal (Zhèng Yìn 正 印). Here, the Overwhelming Cheng Cycle between the Nutrition Factor (Shí Shén 食神) and the Direct Officer (Zhèng Guān 正 官) is also involved, with a little less force, but without detracting from its quality.

To round off the thousandth goal of the King of Soccer, it is present in the Celebration Star (Hóng Luán 红 鸾) accentuated in the month of November (and arranged in the Pig Hài 亥), and which gathered all those fans who they wanted to see such annotation converted; The Structure of Influence (Yǐng Xiǎng 影响) which is traced by the figuration of Water (Shuǐ 水), confirms that Pelé had already entered the Hall of Fame at that time, as he was the first player to have accumulated such number of goals.

But there were other Energies present: the Star Commander (Jiāng Xīng 将 星) took its semblance with the arrangement of the Hour Rat (Zi 子) at the time of the execution of the penalty kick. Likewise, the Buffalo (Chǒu 丑) with the gift of the Star of Heavenly Help (Tiān Yǐ Guì Rén 天乙 贵人) participant in the Deanery (Yuàn Zhǎng 院長) that provided the energy substrate for the period between 1966 and 1976, they also put up their cooperation fee.

It must be rescued that the Edge of the Yang Knife (Lùn Yáng Rèn 论 阳 刃), being a Negative Energy, disappeared from the stage, because together with the Yang Water (Rén 壬) of the Direct Officer (Zhèng Guān 正 官), it came to Transform into that moment and in Qualifying as a Seal (Shǒu Duàn 手段): Wood (Mù 木), and in this sense, it was a point of support to Balance the Dynamic Natal Chart.

Pelé had so many glorious and prodigious dates, so there would be many stories to tell and this blog represents just a small sample of his moments of greatest splendor as an elite footballer.

[DiegoFS]

CURRENT HEALTH:

Unfortunately, such a superlative Natal Chart, like that of King Pelé, and this is a constant within the Body of Doctrine of the Four Pillars (Bāzì 八字), is a double-edged sword, because just as it supports the person and carries it to the highest point of fame and recognition, it also contributes (almost always, if not always) to punishing Teacher Day health.

Today, Pelé (who just turned 80) is confined to a wheelchair, suffers from serious leg and spinal problems, as he was the victim of merciless punishment from defenders and brand fliers that they beat mercilessly, as there was no lawful way to nullify their exuberant and infinitely versatile game. The referees offered him little protection (in most of his time), since there were no yellow and red cards, and these were only made known at the 1970 World Cup in Mexico, when Pelé was already thinking of retiring from the team. Soccer elite. It is true that he played a few more years in the New York Cosmos, but it is also true that it was in a less demanding football.

It is worth making a diagnosis in this regard, because its Natal Theme also has a very comprehensive and precise vision:

One of the major anomalies that can be seen is the Expansion period (Yang) of the Deanery (Yuàn Zhǎng 院長), which is clearly projected between December 2, 2006 until the homologous date of the year 2016: it is a Snake (Sì 巳) of Yin Water (Guǐ 癸). This is a critical and critical period in the health of King Pelé.

The fundamental reason is that in principle and after 26 years, the Monkey (Shēn 申) in the Pillar of the Day and the Tiger (Yín 寅) in the Pillar of the Hour, form together with the aforementioned Snake (Sì 巳), a Fire Penalty (Huǒ 火), which is configured in full, between the aforementioned period from 2006 to 2016. These Stables of Heaven or Subcardinal Energies are not only present in the Ring of the 24 Mountains of the Fēngshuǐ 风水, they also extend in the corners of the Ba Gua. It is a fragile Qí (齊), but it exerts a powerful and negative influence. Furthermore, it is not positive that the Deanery is in a Summer Energy Season and on Herald Four of the Arrival Officer (Lín Guān 临 官).

Similarly, as the Dominant Structure is Fire (Huǒ 火), and it only has a Tiger (Yín 寅) and two Residual Layers in the Pillar of the Day and of the Year to qualify the Seal, and in counterpart it has an Departure (Chū Gǎng出港) more predominant, these are points that also favor health problems centered towards the Framework of Influence (Yǐng Xiǎng 影响).

I mentioned paragraphs ago that the Rae or Wu Cycle (Law of Over-dominance) that is established between the Nutrition Factor (Shí Shén 食神) and the Direct Officer (Zhèng Guān 正 官) formed an Energy loop to propel Pelé towards fame and glory . But in the end, as the Structure (Géjú Pài 格局 派) of Influence (Yǐng Xiǎng 影响) remains in Fullness, this results in the Yin Water (Guǐ 癸) that is the one that receives the impact, harming your health.

For thousands of years, and in the field of Traditional Chinese Medicine and particularly in Chinese Acupuncture, it is known that Yin Water (Guǐ 癸) represents the Kidney Meridian (Shèn 腎) and this in turn, forms a connection with the bones.

In the case of King Pelé: we are talking about the bones of the hips, legs and spine. All these bone structures began to be severely affected from the year 2006 to date, and they have it suffering in a regrettable way.

On this point, I would like to state that King Pelé for many years should have undergone a long-term treatment with Neural Therapy, Acupuncture, Tui Na Massage or with Shiatsu and according to the Bāzì 八字 Reading in question, his treatment was a priority on the K-10 acupuncture point called Yin Valley (Yīn Gǔ 阴 谷) <is a substantial part of the Kidney Meridian Shèn 腎> and is easily located behind the knees in the popliteal fossa, this vortex is part of the gear of the Ancient Shu Points (Gǔ Shǔ Xué 古蜀 穴) and in turn form the subgroup of the Lake Points (Hú Diǎn 湖 点) or Mar.

It was also necessary to focus therapies on the S-39 point, known as Upper Immense Void or Xiajuxu and which is part of the Stomach Circuit (Wèi 胃), it is located in the middle of the anterior border of the tibia in the leg. And as a complement, it was necessary to open one of the Curious Meridians, the Yin Footstep Vessel (Yīn Jīng Mài 阴 经脉) to do so, it starts with the corresponding Key Points (Zhòng Diǎn 重点): it starts with the Vortex K-6 called Luminous Sea or Zhao Hai (a tsun and a half are traced below the inner malleolus of the left leg) is a point that corresponds to the Kidney Meridian (Shèn 腎). And it closes, with Point L-7 Gaps Defile or Lieque and a tsun and a half is located above the wrist of the right hand (from the radial joint space), it becomes part of the Lung Meridian (Fèi 肺).

Finally, Pelé should sleep with his head to the northeast (this is the Heavenly Doctor Tiān Yī 天 醫 sector). And in this same geographical orientation, locate a wind chime with six rods (representing the Yang Metal Gēng 庚) and a bamboo flute that bears the ideogram Yang Wood (Jiǎ 甲). That said to clarify that Indirect Wealth (Piān Cái 偏 财) and an Indirect Resource (Piān Yìn 偏 印), would act here to operate as a Minister Star (Xiāng Shén 相 神) in order to try to balance the health of King Pelé.
As a culmination I leave the following Link that contains 300 goals:



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[JLim (Darma W)]

Hi DiegoFS, thank you for writing about Pelé, the phenomenal football player! 

It is worth clarifying that there are two wrong versions of his Natal Chart: Marcello Borges indicates that his date of birth was October 21;

I understand that you use the birth date of October 20 for Pelé.  On the other hand, as I see in astro-databank, Marcello Borges actually has the Birth Certificate in hand, so it's hard to rule out October 21.

https://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Pel%C3%A9
Source Notes
B.C. copy in hand from Marcello Borges stating Pele's birth date as October 21st.

[DiegoFS]

Hi JLim, Thanks for posting.

Actually, October 21 was the first date that I analyzed and even around 2 or 3 in the morning, you can see that it is a birth chart out of context, as if it were from an ordinary person.

Let's do a simple analysis. With the date October 21 the Master Day is Yin Fire (Dīng)

If he had been born at 2 in the morning he would have a Direct Officer (Zhèng Guān) Water Yin (Guǐ), and no Nutrition Factor (Shí Shén) Earth Yin (Jǐ) and even worse with an Indirect Seal (Piān Yìn) that is here it would turn into an Owl (Shí Dào Shí) and consequently into Torrential Nutrition. Consequently, if Pelé had dedicated himself to soccer, he would have been modestly known in his state, almost nothing in his own country, Brazil, and apart from all else, he would have lived quite poor all his life. Regardless of the existing wealth.

If, for example, we went to Pelé after 3 in the morning, the equation is reversed, the Direct Officer disappears, and the Nutrition Factor and the Indirect Seal are leveled, that is, it would not have been so poor (unless Wealth would potentialize) but he would have been an illustrious unknown.

Trey Tang in making the old translations was my clear on these points, so it would be irrelevant to enter into further discussions.

Now that you touch on the subject of the other Astrology, in all those days between October 16 until at least October 25, it would have had a strong Midheaven, with planets aspecting the 9th and 10th houses, and on those guidelines would "justify" their fame. That is to say, it is correct or it is not correct. Astrology is not a game of chance, you know it, and in that the BaZi is forceful.

Perhaps the only thing you can believe in Chaldean Astrology is in the Rectification of the Hours and in that they have very good methods, but they seriously fail to analyze the days before and after.

I handled Chaldean Astrology very well many years ago and I walked away from it because unfortunately in the course of history, the same people have changed their body of doctrine. I am convinced that the Babylonians and Assyrians handled it very well 4,000 or 5,000 years ago, but today it is not the same.


In my case, I was really born on January 24, but on my birth certificate (here in my country they call it a birth certificate and it is transferred to another document called civil registration) and my identification document is from January 25 ( this is how society recognizes me), when I started to handle BaZi and Feng Shui, I realized that something was wrong with my daily dates. Thanks to the anecdotes my mother and an older brother told me, I was able to correctly correct my date of birth (a fatal accident I had as a child also helped me) and of course BaZi, which is a "powerful weapon" to understand and interpret our karmas and dharmas.

Greetings.

[DiegoFS]

Now that you quote rectification, October 17th and October 27th, they also have hypothetically powerful energies, however, I discarded them for 2 reasons:

1)   Because they are far from your official birth certificate.

2) They have certain imbalances that would have made Pelé's football life somewhat unbalanced and with certain anomalies.

What is absolutely clear and unobjectionable is that October 20 (between 3am to 5am) is a configuration typical of someone extremely famous.

[DiegoFS]

There is a point that I would like to clarify regarding the births of people from 1980 (approximately) onwards and those who were born before 1980. I'm going to put it in context for Latin America, but I don't know how it works on other continents.

From 1980 onwards it is easier to locate the exact date and time of people, because babies are now born in Hospitals and Clinics and this function is performed by the Head Nurse or the person in charge of the Delivery Room who records it in the History Clinic. The world changed markedly in today's modernity.

Before 1980, in other cases, before 1970, those who attended the births were ladies who called them midwives or accoucheuse (I reiterate this is the lexicon in my country and I think it is part of the indigenous culture of antiquity), and normally It was done at home or the pregnant woman when the pain began, she had to go to the midwife's home. Several days or months later, the parents went with the child to the nearest Catholic church, and the priest or an employee wrote down the data in a book, and it was irrelevant whether the date was wrong or not and the time much more. Some time later the procedure was done before a notary. But I reiterate everything was done afterwards and without any confirmation.

In my country, people born before 1980, 1975, 1970, have 95% and sometimes 99%: the wrong date of birth and time. And in rural areas I think it is 99.9% error. In other words, among people over 40 or 50 in my country, only one or two people in a million inhabitants has the correct date of birth. I have four siblings and they all have their birth registration date wrongly noted, and with my parents it is even worse (their year of birth is not well known), but this extends to the whole of society.

And people under the age of 40, quite possibly all have their date of birth correctly.

An Astrologer who is really Professional is seen in the urgent need to rectify the time and date of the birth of the elderly, because otherwise he has a 99% probability of making a wrong reading of a Natal Chart . And in the case of this post by King Pelé, it is a striking example, given that he was born in a small town where a high level of poverty prevailed, and there the conditions were even more precarious when making such records.

On the continent where I am in general, people do not believe in astrological predictions and therefore the date of birth is only a superficial reminder to celebrate their annual birthday, nothing more. The common people, are not clear that these data are very important to decode their destination, which is already marked in advance. And the more their cultural level is backward, the ignorance is accentuated.

In my personal case, I consider that people who were born: 100 or 200 years ago, only have relatively correct dates, if they were born in a very wealthy home (where a relative kept a daily record) or in the home of a monarchy (a king , a duke, a prince) or in the family of a very important president or dignitary. And for the others, the data is uncertain.

I could not say for the case of Europe, North America, or Asia. I think that in Africa the cultural backwardness is even greater than in Latin America.

[Tientai ✝️]

Hey, @DiegoFS ..
You raised this issue very clearly and it is really very difficult to clarify how we will solve such a problem .. maybe it is also a matter of luck Who knows? ..
However, I have the feeling that the majority of cases affect the time branch in relation to the case of the residents who were born a few years ago, as you mention ...
In a family with many children, for example, the mother does not remember exactly the hour of birth of her children but can only indicate whether it was morning, noon, night or midnight ... in these cases one should draw 2 or at most 3 maps for study. ..
The Map that gives more information about one's life will have his real time of birth (theoretically speaking) .. ( .. a good exercise for an expert on Bazi, or Western Astrologer .. !!)
I agree with you that a lot of attention is needed in countries like South Africa, Latin America ...
But there is an approximate solution...
Nothing is absolutely perfect ..!!
Best regards
Tt.

[JLim (Darma W)]

Luckily we have various divination systems that help to answer life's questions, such as the Liu Yao (Six Lines)system based on I-Ching, as well as other systems.  These systems do not need any birth information at all, neither the day, not the hour.  Many times it's very handy if we get an answer concerning one's relation with another person without asking the other person's birth information!

[DiegoFS]

It is true, as a plus point is that as time passes, births are covered in hospitals and clinics, where everything is registered through administrative procedures. The case is different, if the person is born by accident in an ambulance, on a plane, on a highway or in any place where there is chaos. Another point to keep in mind is that it is easier to read famous people (writers, politicians, actors, athletes, scientists) because both their triumphs and defeats are known in advance and that gives "clues" to decipher any Pillar. With only two precise dates of a specific event, more than 80% of the Natal Chart is already clear.

In the two previous posts, this one by King Pelé and that by Nadia Comaneci, it was relatively easy for me to decode it because one already knows the lives of the great characters that you get in any online biography.

In such cases one detects that Energy is excess or missing in a Palace, of course the BaZi Body of Doctrine must be known, because otherwise we are walking inside a very dark tunnel. An obvious way to do it with a common person and whose date and time of birth are not exactly known, is to find out very general aspects of the consultant, such as if he has had a serious accident, if he has obtained any significant achievement or an award, whether he works or not, whether he is married or not and similar situations. And with the dates that the person has written down in a notebook.

But what Jlim quotes is also true, with the I Ching and other systems answers can be found. That is why it is very important to try to handle all the Five Arts, because if you don't solve it with one technique, you solve it with another. But it does not seem appropriate to me to be just a single system specialist. As a constructive criticism, I have realized that sometimes there are colleagues who are experts only in Feng Shui and are almost unaware of the other Millennial Arts and that entails an anomaly, because the energy of the house by itself rectifies 10% of the consequently, problems must be complemented at least with the mastery of another Ancestral Art, because otherwise quite limited results are obtained. It is not easy to be a Master in everything, but it is not impossible either, I think it is a matter of dedication and perseverance.

Some authors have mentioned that the candidates to enter the Imperial Court (I think it also happened in the Taoist and Buddhist Monasteries), there were Masters in the Five Arts who apart from the BaZi Chart also qualified the energies registered in the Face and the palms of the Hands, because there is also qualified the Natal Chart of a person, at least from a certain angle. And the margin of error is reduced to zero.

In my modest opinion, if it is good to have good knowledge of BaZi, and I say this because the Energies that are handled are very refined and you can transfer them to favorable specific dates or avoid unfavorable dates. As a more practical Feng Shui can also be handled, the energies of a house alone do not solve the problems of a consultant. But if we transfer the energies of the Natal Chart that are missing or surplus to the person who consults, that is to say to the room of the same, that helps him to rectify certain situations. Even to help the person prevent diseases.

The I Ching is very useful (in my view) to solve specific problems, that is, those that I may have at this moment, to say the least, that help me solve situations for this coming month. He is a short-term Master Counselor. It bears some resemblance to the Qi Men Dun Jia. Personally, and I say this from my own experience, the Book of Changes is very useful, as long as the Consultant is spiritually centered, because he is a channel of energy. If the Consultant leads a disorderly life, drinks liquor, is a smoker, uses drugs, is sick, does not eat well, etc., the Lines of Change are also recorded in disorder and at the end of the day one ends up giving wrong advice and with doubtful answers.The worst of all is that you end up losing credibility.

What I mean is that the I Ching Consultant must be aware first of all that he must have his own balanced life to connect with the Cosmos and additionally handle a system of doctrine and reliable knowledge.

The I Ching bears some resemblance to the Tui Na Massage Techniques, the Shiatsu or the Thai Acupressure that I sometimes use. If the person who performs the Massage is connected with the Cosmos, he will obtain wonderful results on the patient, but if the opposite happens, if the Masseuse is internally unbalanced and stimulates the patient's acupuncture points, he will surely aggravate the health of the patient.

In conclusion, the ideal is to handle the Five Arts in an integral way. Greetings, my appreciation and my obeisances for all the Forists, readers and visitors.