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Re: Liu Yao/Wen Wang Gua Resources in non-Chinese languages
« Reply #30 on: November 17, 2021, 02:51:05 PM »
Second Ak book is very good, since using the techniques from there can help a lot with reading, I can recommend people to either read it, or if they can't afford it to at least read the preview pages in google books:

https://books.google.bg/books?id=A9NJEAAAQBAJ
(click Preview below the book cover to see first 30 pages or so).

This way even if you don't know the exact details will at least be familiar with what methods we use. I can recommend reading the whole book, though, its awesome.

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« Reply #31 on: May 19, 2022, 05:46:43 PM »
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4.I Ching - Wisdom Revealed (Book of Changes) by Vincent Koh
 This I Ching book I haven't read, have seen a few times people to mention about it that its very good for people that are just starting with the system.

 I stumbled on Vincent Kohs book. Since it may not be easy to find now, seems good idea to post some review.

Similar to his other books again he has stuff that I haven't seen in other sources much. Some I liked. There is the idea of finding the leading line in a hexagram, blueprints for Feng Shui readings and all sorts of other stuff. Parts are more focused on Mei Hua, part use both together(with WWG)...

Overall I liked it. It isn't very big book, can't say it will change much from what I'm using, but I can think of an idea or two that I may add from there in the future.

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« Reply #32 on: May 20, 2022, 04:44:46 AM »
I bought the book a few years ago when I was in Singapore. It's a nice introduction to various methods using the Iching. Thumbs up, clearly written and easy to digest  :) :) :)
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« Reply #33 on: March 06, 2025, 06:29:09 AM »
Nice list:

I would strongly disadvise against The Clear-Cut I Ching or Wen Wang Gua for Beginners: Volume One - Master S.R.Chang.
It contains almost no useable information about WWG, and seems to be a few pages just thrown into this book to show that he is aware of this system. It is one of the few books in my life, that I decided to trash after tea spilled on it.
Highly misleading.


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Re: Liu Yao/Wen Wang Gua Resources in non-Chinese languages
« Reply #34 on: March 09, 2025, 02:04:24 PM »
Thank you, Johan, for writing, and welcome to the forum!
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Offline Random88

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« Reply #35 on: September 07, 2025, 12:27:18 PM »
Some possible additions. : )

Very nice group in Reddit here:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Sixlinesdivination/

There are some more books as well, I mentioned them in there in the same topic. But in general one is:

The Authentic I Ching - Dr. Wang Yang and Jon Sandifer
He tried to use all 3 systems together. Some parts were very interesting, but in general wasn't really the best fit for me.

There are a lot more materials for Liu Yao and Health now. One example is this:
 I Ching Acupuncture - The Balance Method by David Twicken

There are others, usually checking around Dr Tans material can lead to interesting results.

Some more youtube videos and websites around as well, but nothing different then what is known already for the most part.
There were few interesting articles in website, like why the branch assignments are what they are, going alittle beyond what we know(opposite direction for yin and yang branches on yang trigrams etc.) but can't find it now.

Some facebook I Ching group were mentioning WWG, apparently with the idea they plan to move toward more topics around it... Can't say I saw that actually happening, so irrelevant for here at this point.

Offline duesouth

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« Reply #36 on: September 19, 2025, 06:11:36 AM »
@Random88,

Thanks. As you indicate, the Reddit group discussions are interesting.

Cheers,

Offline ren

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« Reply #37 on: September 19, 2025, 08:47:10 AM »
Hey @duesouth @Random88,

I believe the I Ching Acupuncture and the Dr. Tan material are from the same source.
It uses the hexagram lines and trigrams to form the Balancing Methods of acupuncture
and the more advanced Global Balancing treatment protocols.

Though Dr. Tan taught a bazi system, I have not seen a divination system come from that group.
Random88, if they do have a divination system, I would be interested to get more information about it. 

Thanks

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« Reply #38 on: September 27, 2025, 04:44:08 PM »
Ren:
Well... Divination for health is still divination, though...
Anyway, its Gmuli/Deian here, I like to change nicks and accounts from time to time, but you know all I know about the Dr. Tan direction of all this.


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« Reply #39 on: October 03, 2025, 05:52:59 AM »
To All,

Upcoming training Wenwang Gua at Nourishing Destiny Academy (1): Introduction [three videos]

https://wenwanggua.projects.webpages.one/

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« Reply #40 on: October 10, 2025, 11:29:21 AM »
Do anyone know anything about this:
https://www.amazon.de/-/en/dp/B0FV8WG27T

It seems related to here:
https://www.ichingstream.com/2025/09/18/essential-classics-of-i-ching-divination-six-lines-divination-liu-yao-wen-wang-gua-and-the-na-jia-method/

Its very expensive, though and its not in google books, so there is no way to look how its actually translated... And it is a lot of books.
I'm curious if someone know more about the project there.

Offline duesouth

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« Reply #41 on: October 12, 2025, 12:25:34 AM »
@Random88 ,

Thanks for identifying this resource! No idea who ichingstream.com is.

They appear to be planning to roll out English translations of 15 Liuyao books (see https://www.ichingstream.com/2025/09/18/essential-classics-of-i-ching-divination-six-lines-divination-liu-yao-wen-wang-gua-and-the-na-jia-method/):
1. I Ching Divination – Complete and Restored (增删卜易, Zengshan Buyi)
2. The Orthodox Method of I Ching Divination (卜筮正宗, Bushi Zhengzong) – “Golden Strategy”
3. Fire Pearl Forest – I Ching (Six Lines) Divination Classical Text (火珠林, Huo Zhu Lin)
4. Undersea Eye – The Core Principles of I Ching (Six Lines) Divination (海底眼, Haidi Yan)
5. Collected Insights on I Ching Divination (易洞林, Yi Donglin) Includes Donglin Secret Manual 洞林秘诀, Guo Shi Donglin 郭氏洞林, Zhouyi Donglin 周易洞林
6. Hidden Principles Ode: A Classic of I Ching (Six Lines) Divination (阐奥歌章, Chan Ao Ge Zhang)
7. Principles and Odes of I Ching Divination: Including Mysterious and Subtle Discourse and Celestial Mysteries Ode (通玄妙论, Tong Xuan Miao Lun and 天玄赋, Tian Xuan Fu)
8. Studies on Ancient I Ching Divination Cases (周易古筮考, Zhouyi Gushi Kao)
9. The Complete Book of Divination (卜筮全书, Bushi Quanshu)
10. Unveiling Forces in I Ching Divination (易冒, Yi Mao)
11. I Ching Forest (易林, Yi Lin)
12. Supplement to the I Ching Forest (易林补遗, Yi Lin Bu Yi)
13. I Ching Divination Guide (卜筮元龟, Bushi Yuangui)
14. Celestial Secrets of I Ching Divination (断易天机, Duanyi Tianji)
15. The Concealed Dimensions of I Ching Divination (易隐, Yi Yin)

(To fellow newbies: While the translators use the term ‘I Ching’ in translating ‘易’ (Yi) of book titles, the books are not about the Yi Jing. Re: (1), the translator (Xuan Wanyan) uses a 1770AD version of Zengshan Buyi.)

It seems only (1) is currently available (from Amazon, et al). (1) comes in two books -- Parts 1 and 2, with each part covering two volumes of Zengshan Buyi. The total cost is about US$300 equivalent (depending on site and country of purchase). Sadly, yes, it is expensive compared to regular e-books :(.


Offline Random88

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« Reply #42 on: November 26, 2025, 01:46:58 PM »
They have preview in academie.edu by the way, all the books I think, we can read the first part, there is info about the whole initiative, seems good.
Wise idea to publish it in there, in my view too. Here is link:
https://columbia.academia.edu/XuanWanyan

They are in reddit as well, if someone is curious about something can ask.

I got one of the books in kindle... This one:
Undersea Eye – The Core Principles of I Ching (Six Lines) Divination (Haidi Yan 海底眼): A Must-Read Classical Text on Six Lines Divination, Wen Wang Gua, ... Series of the Classical Texts Book 6)

Good parts:
I like it so far, I'm on 1/3 of it, the Images are awesome, keeping in mind at that time stuff was different(for example vechicle may be less related to metal and more to wood etc.) , but with that I really liked that part.
There were some sentences at the start I enjoyed as well.

Can see that idea of the hidden hexagram used the whole time as well, that I love, more on that in the reddit group, there is whole topic.

Less good parts:
There are some practical advices I don't think will work very well in practice, like if Parent line moves what it means etc.
The Diagrams are not very easy to see in Kindle. That seems to be common problem in there. We can get what they show based on the context, usually, so not the end of the world.

Overall, great initiative and they are doing very good work, in my view. Will add their stuff to the calculators in the coming days, not entirely sure how and what , but at least the stems/branches is the plan to be there.

If someone has questions, can ask in the reddit groups I think.

Offline ren

Re: Liu Yao/Wen Wang Gua Resources in non-Chinese languages
« Reply #43 on: November 26, 2025, 03:52:02 PM »
Random88, All,

Great find!

These book s are rather expensive, but what I have read from the sample / review text is good.

The books are available at a lower cost than from amazon at https://www.ichingstream.com/books/.
The website states read online, so I am not sure if a downloadable copy is provided.

[As a side note - I do not purchase anything from amazon. I only purchase direct or local]

Happy Thanksgivings Day,

ren