Real Case

[Sacrar]

Hey @vadim , what kind of things were purchased in the store? Maybe we can look into the images and representations through the earth branch and the mythological animal.

[vadim]

Hello Sacrar! Now I will try to remember that case and analyze it again. My wife left the things she bought at the market, but remembered a few days later. My question was whether she would come back with the things she left at the market. It was women's clothing. This is well confirmed by the metal of You. He is associated with waiters, women, jewelry boxes. Chen transforms into Wu fire, and the latter strengthens Chen, the source of the property. Chen and Xu collide and the metal is released.

[Sacrar]

Hello Sacrar! Now I will try to remember that case and analyze it again. My wife left the things she bought at the market, but remembered a few days later. My question was whether she would come back with the things she left at the market. It was women's clothing. This is well confirmed by the metal of You. He is associated with waiters, women, jewelry boxes. Chen transforms into Wu fire, and the latter strengthens Chen, the source of the property. Chen and Xu collide and the metal is released.

Mmm, I am not sure if what the clothing or garment represents is You or is it Shen, or maybe neither of the two per se. Both Shen and You represent mainly metal objects. Therefore jewellery objects made of metal would fall into the category. I am not sure that You is associated with waiters and women.

Either way the missing object is Clothing. And in the six kins what is classically represented with clothing is Parents. And in the category Woman/wealth would be accessories that embellish (belts, jewellery, ladies wallet, etc.). Then the clothes she lost were a dress or a garment, or was it an accessory?

Chen transforms into Wu fire, and the latter strengthens Chen, the source of the property

Why Chen Offspring do you associate it with the "source of the property"?

Chen and Xu collide and the metal is released.

Who initiates and exerts the force of the action is Chen Offspring, who is the active line. But Chen it is tied to the day and month of You and therefore cannot take any action. Futhermore, if it collides with Xu, it does not release anything. Moreover Xu is empty and does not get any Qi, so it remains empty. In reality You Asset is bound (Liu He) with L2 Chen Offspring, but does not receive any clash to release this binding...

If you mean it was on Xu's day I don't understand it either because the clothes were brought back on You day.

It was the day metal you.

In the hexagram the most visible clash is of Shen with the Other line (Shen><Yin), and that does occur.

[vadim]

Then the clothes she lost were a dress or a garment, or was it an accessory?  They were dresses.                   

Why Chen Offspring do you associate it with the "source of the property"? Because Chen is the original God

When the original God moves, he generates a month and a day, which are also lost things.But Chen it is tied to the day and month of You and therefore cannot take any action.Chen is released because Chen and Xu collide. 
The most obvious rule in theory is probably here that the hidden line appears on the day and month of the element that this line is represented by.

[Sacrar]

Then the clothes she lost were a dress or a garment, or was it an accessory?  They were dresses.

                 
Then the clothes are represented under the aspect Woman/wealth. Probably resonance with your mentality. It cannot be the Yin Parent because it is destroyed by the date and the dress appeared.

Why Chen Offspring do you associate it with the "source of the property"? Because Chen is the original God

   
Sorry, I thought that you mean the shop (as a property) 

When the original God moves, he generates a month and a day, which are also lost things.
Chen is released because Chen and Xu collide.

 
Yes can be, if it can be, even if the clash action is exerted by Chen, the mere fact of exerting the clash produces a release of what is "tied" to Chen. Maybe someone here like @Gmuli  or @JLim  can confirm this.

The most obvious rule in theory is probably here that the hidden line appears on the day and month of the element that this line is represented by.

yes, It seems obvious that if the object appeared it is present in the month and day.

Thanks for your feedback.

[Gmuli]

There are 2 layers you need here.
Top Layer - to know if she will come back with the items.
Second Layer - everything else.

You need to set it, we can read it now, but this won't be reliable. We can say 'Self line was holding the Asset', but that is because we know how it happened back then. If we didn't that could have meant the Wife and Parent would be the cloths. Now it seems Parent is information(combining with people and arriving at self line etc.)

This isn't something you can find in there, at least I don't think we have the info to. There may be ways, but even if there are its not the easiest way to read the answer.
So you need a way to be able to tell first - the actual answer(yes/no), second - the details.
You are trying to get the details and construct an answer out of them, but since nothing is Set that can work afterwards, but not initially.

How to set each layer... Well, that is where the system seems to begin, right?
And that is what we are suppose to learn. Its not how to read it, its how to set it.

And so far, members here should have some idea how to do it. I shouldn't go into that. But there is more then one source that has provided way for this, lately. : )
Some for Yes/No, others for obtaining items etc.

Getting them to work may not happen,right away, we still are clearing out how it works as well. But that would be the path and I think we can say it now, as we have multiple schools using this. Details are for everyone to find on their own, but the answer is that - you set layers, each tells you what you want to know without conflicting with the others. That is where the skill and knowledge come in otherwise they will conflict and all brakes apart.

[JLim (Darma W)]

When the original God moves, he generates a month and a day, which are also lost things.But Chen it is tied to the day and month of You and therefore cannot take any action.Chen is released because Chen and Xu collide. 

Hi vadim & Sacrar (since Sacrar mentioned my name):
1) Since Chen is tied to the Day and Month of You, Self Xu cannot clash Chen.
2) Chen cannot generate the Day or Month of You.  Because Day and Month are at the higher levels than a hexagram line. 

[ren]

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