Second opinion (cheating / relationships, etc)

[vikky37]

Dear all,

For about two years I’ve been out of any relationship, even though I like meeting new people and have a very active life style (always on the move). I guess I have certain trust issues and it feels difficult to open up since I’m always expecting betrayal. Also, the other day I was having a short conversation with a Bazi astrologer and she told me that my natal chart is very challenging on the love front. Namely, I was told that no matter what I do, my partner has high chances of cheating on me and be attracted to someone else because of the distinct ’Brotherhood’ element in my chart. That scared me because these fears are already in my head. Another fact: I was told that mostly married man are gravitating to me, however it’s not true since I never dealt with married / engaged / coupled up guys who were attracted to me.
She also said that since I don’t have the Water element in my chart, I might have problems some pregnancy complications.

So I wondering whether someone could take a look at my chart and confirm whether it's right or not? (I assume there're might be different interpretations) Also, is there any chance to see in the natal chart what my future soulmate might be like and when/where I could meet him?

Date of birth: 23d of May, 1994, Time 1.15 pm, Moscow (Russia)

Thank you immensely in advance.

Best,

[Gmuli]

I wouldn't take it too seriously.
In the stems it seems to point to that(You combine with Jia in the year, but in the month there is Ji<>Jia combination as well).
But the deeper interaction is in the branches, and its different mechanic there.
Spouse Palace is healthy enough...

My bazi is still has a way to go, but with my current understanding this isn't a big problem, only surface stuff.

[TenVirtues]

Hi @vikky37
Well i have to say i really don't understand the reasoning behind the bazi astrologer analysis. IMO the saving grace for your chart is being born in 己酉 Day, giving strength to 辛 in Hour Pillar. Elevating the level of the whole chart IMO.
You most have pretty good relationships with your mentors and teachers. You should be good at studying in general. Having these characteristics elevates the social circles you will mingle in. Which in turn will influence your career and position.

DayBranch is also the Marriage Pillar, Although there will be challenges in your marriage but they will mostly come from external factors. Like maybe your mother might not like your choice of Husband etc.

Hope this helps!

[vikky37]

Thank you for these replies! It's very reassuring indeed!

However, are there any indicators of time and place where I could meet my potential spouse / boyfriend?

[Gmuli]

Thank you for these replies! It's very reassuring indeed!

However, are there any indicators of time and place where I could meet my potential spouse / boyfriend?

I would go with potentially 2023(or earlier) meeting nearby, possible close by age and maybe a friend of someone that you will like originally, although that depends on rules and stuff. If it didn't work out then, then later in life in Fire Years or years that activate You(Si is good possibility).

[TenVirtues]

Hi @vikky37
Well looking at your chart i would say most likely since 2019 you would have been invited to a lot more social events/parties. Have you not met anyone of interest since then?
Since i am trying to read your spouses chart through your chart, some of the characteristics i give might resonate with your own personality more then his.
He should be quite athletic with a competitive nature.  He might be into activities like mountain climbing and nature based adventures.
There are couple indications you can meet your partner in a small group gathering/party or while on a short trip. 
I also wouldn't be too worried because most likely he will be the one approaching you. You should also let him do the pursuing given his competitive nature.
Just give him some slight encouragement here and there and he should do the rest.

Very curious in your field of study and line of work. It seems that you are in a very technical field of study that could involve chemicals.
There are also indications that you could be good at performance arts acting/dancing/singing etc. 
Can you speak a little more on that?

Also there are multiple indications of inheritance in your chart. Especially from the Father but your Mother should also be quite well-known among her circle.

There are also indications that although you are Russian you could have a love for Spicy food!

Thanks @vikky37 hope to hear back from you soon and hope this helps!

[vikky37]

Hello dear @TenVirtues,

Thank you for your feedback!

In September 2019 I moved to France and met a bunch of interesting people but never got really interested in anyone (there was probably only one person that was nice but he was too passive and I didn't feel like pursuing him . And then the lockdown started.. Right now I live between two countries travelling back and forth (hopefully, I can still work online) but feel lost and lonely at times because I don't really know where I should eventually settle down.

I have a degree in linguistics and translation which also includes teaching foreign languages. Every now and then I also teach the 'Acting in English' class in drama school in France, so theatre is a big passion of mine. I've been also performing and staging some plays a bit since 2013 in different theatre clubs and associations.

As for my parents, my mother is a kinda helicopter mom, she's very present in my life even when I'm far away. My dad is caring and loving as well but on the surface he never really shows his feelings so he might seem a bit indifferent and distant to people who don't know him. But for the inheritance things .. nothing comes to my mind right now, they're both middle-class workers. Or are you implying something specific?

And yes, I do love spicy food!   

Thank you again and take care,

[Maria]

Dear all,

For about two years I’ve been out of any relationship, even though I like meeting new people and have a very active life style (always on the move). I guess I have certain trust issues and it feels difficult to open up since I’m always expecting betrayal. Also, the other day I was having a short conversation with a Bazi astrologer and she told me that my natal chart is very challenging on the love front. Namely, I was told that no matter what I do, my partner has high chances of cheating on me and be attracted to someone else because of the distinct ’Brotherhood’ element in my chart. That scared me because these fears are already in my head. Another fact: I was told that mostly married man are gravitating to me, however it’s not true since I never dealt with married / engaged / coupled up guys who were attracted to me.
She also said that since I don’t have the Water element in my chart, I might have problems some pregnancy complications.

So I wondering whether someone could take a look at my chart and confirm whether it's right or not? (I assume there're might be different interpretations) Also, is there any chance to see in the natal chart what my future soulmate might be like and when/where I could meet him?

Date of birth: 23d of May, 1994, Time 1.15 pm, Moscow (Russia)

Thank you immensely in advance.

Best,

Hello, Alexandra!
I’m glad to see you there.

I am glad that you came to this particular forum, this is the forum of my teacher in Bazi.

Of course, you want to know another opinion, and you should relax and not worry about what I told you.  this is a potential that has been confirmed by some factors in your life, isn't it?

if you still have questions that I did not close at the consultation, you can contact me personally via telegrams, and we will discuss them.

explanation for forum participants:

We discussed this client's chart with J Lim.  I would not say anything without confirming my opinion with my teacher at this time.

my experience in Bazi is 3 years, this cannot be compared, for example, with the experience of 10 or 20 years, but during this time I have a lot of cards with examples of my personal life.

Have a nice day❤️

[Gmuli]

Hi. : )
Well, we can approach this as a learning opportunity. vikky37 will learn more about her chart, while we can debate a little on why and how we read it.
This is an Art after all, I don't think anyone is suppose to be absolutly correct, or perfect in reading, our job is to help people with patterns we see in their chart while learning more about our own style of reading at the same time.

When it comes to bazi, Jlims style of reading I like more then any other published source in English, there are parts of the system I view differently, as we have seen through the years. And TenVirtues is also using his own style, so I think this is good opportunity to find a middle ground we agree on, as usually at this point people start to pull away everyone strongly insisting they read it correctly. That is silly, if we want to better understand the systems we may need to understand what each of us is viewing and why we are viewing it differently.


So lets debate this if you want.

Will start with this, do I understand correctly the logic here, you thought her DM is Ji, so the other Ji in the month shows friends, competitors and co-workers nearby. Ji combines with Jia Officer in the year, so her potential spouse may be older, from another country etc. Yet since the competitors/co-workers stand in the way of that combination suggests her potential spouse may end up with another person in many cases(as Ji in the month stays in the way of Jia year to Ji Day)?

Are you including the harm with it(Xu is related to Si, as Si originates from Xu, yet Xu is in harm with You, suggesting that same guy, suggesting its not just about the other Ji, but there is pushing away as well)?

Feel free to not reply if you don't want to join in. : )

[Maria]

So lets debate this if you want.

Will start with this, do I understand correctly the logic here, you thought her DM is Ji, so the other Ji in the month shows friends, competitors and co-workers nearby. Ji combines with Jia Officer in the year, so her potential spouse may be older, from another country etc. Yet since the competitors/co-workers stand in the way of that combination suggests her potential spouse may end up with another person in many cases(as Ji in the month stays in the way of Jia year to Ji Day)?

Are you including the harm with it(Xu is related to Si, as Si originates from Xu, yet Xu is in harm with You, suggesting that same guy, suggesting its not just about the other Ji, but there is pushing away as well)?

Feel free to not reply if you don't want to join )

Ello!)
thanks for the answer!  I will gladly accept your opinion, and I am glad to discuss it.
First
DM Ji, MS - Ji, Sitting on Si. Qi phases beyond DM and MS?
JI month stem sitting on glowing Qi phase - this Ji Parallel is stronger than DM.
Second
Jia YS - Zheng Guan - Sitting on Jie Cai - Rob wealth.
Third
Jie Cai YB - Harmed Spouse palace

these arguments will suffice to start.

Let me explain
Jia Zheng Guan wants connect to Ji MS, and only then combination with DM.
Your opinion?

[Gmuli]

Thanks. I agree with the idea, but I think in details we view it differently.

Month Ji and Day Ji can be viewed as seperate entities, sure, as Month is outside, showing people nearby etc.
While Ji in the month will be stronger.

Puppylove used to use the idea that in some situations the DM can "extend".
We can look at the branch, if the 2 branches are connected(in this case You and Si, the definition of this kind of connection wasn't clear enough but I assume Si being birth place of You may suffice).  Basically the idea is both Ji will show the DM, the person sees themselves as an influence in people nearby as well, extending to beyond the usual area Day Pillar reaches.

We(in other forums) had charts of people that have the same pillar in hour, day and month and it did seem that the effect was much closer to the DM pillar extending and seeing itself in everyone else, while the people around see them as not recognizing the separation.

So while I can't say this isn't the case, I have doubts that we can be sure Ji in month and Ji in day are separate entities. If they are I would agree with this part, however.

The other aspect I was mostly focused on before was the Si in the month.
As we have You<>Si combination, and while the stems may show DM, the Si seems to be something else. Parent can show a marriage certificate as we have used often and the combination with the month in this way can show a relationship.
While sometimes there is hesitation in using Resource to show the spouse star, while Si may also fall in Xu, or the connection of Si to Xu and the harm between Xu and You may create tension(with his friends), in general I would view it as potential relationship that may become marriage and can even be stable with some crafty maneuvers(holding against the chart when the fact Si originates from Xu may relate it to the harm etc.).

I do agree the interactions in the stems  if we view them as different entities(one Ji as DM, one as friends/competitors) will very likely lead to what you are saying, yes. On the surface, however, so right after she meet someone older someone nearby may combine with him instead. I'm not sure they are separate, however and I also think there are still chances with the Month Pillar and the Si there as the spouse palace is healthy enough and there are good strong Images of stable relationship, if they play it right.

[Maria]

Thanks. I agree with the idea, but I think in details we view it differently.

Month Ji and Day Ji can be viewed as seperate entities, sure, as Month is outside, showing people nearby etc.
While Ji in the month will be stronger.

Puppylove used to use the idea that in some situations the DM can "extend".
We can look at the branch, if the 2 branches are connected(in this case You and Si, the definition of this kind of connection wasn't clear enough but I assume Si being birth place of You may suffice).  Basically the idea is both Ji will show the DM, the person sees themselves as an influence in people nearby as well, extending to beyond the usual area Day Pillar reaches.

We(in other forums) had charts of people that have the same pillar in hour, day and month and it did seem that the effect was much closer to the DM pillar extending and seeing itself in everyone else, while the people around see them as not recognizing the separation.

So while I can't say this isn't the case, I have doubts that we can be sure Ji in month and Ji in day are separate entities. If they are I would agree with this part, however.

The other aspect I was mostly focused on before was the Si in the month.
As we have You<>Si combination, and while the stems may show DM, the Si seems to be something else. Parent can show a marriage certificate as we have used often and the combination with the month in this way can show a relationship.
While sometimes there is hesitation in using Resource to show the spouse star, while Si may also fall in Xu, or the connection of Si to Xu and the harm between Xu and You may create tension(with his friends), in general I would view it as potential relationship that may become marriage and can even be stable with some crafty maneuvers(holding against the chart when the fact Si originates from Xu may relate it to the harm etc.).

I do agree the interactions in the stems  if we view them as different entities(one Ji as DM, one as friends/competitors) will very likely lead to what you are saying, yes. On the surface, however, so right after she meet someone older someone nearby may combine with him instead. I'm not sure they are separate, however and I also think there are still chances with the Month Pillar and the Si there as the spouse palace is healthy enough and there are good strong Images of stable relationship, if they play it right.

I have given you only three potential signs, there are more than five of them.  these are my personal methods, which I will not mention here so that no one gets confused.

I made a forecast for marriage for the coming years. she has a file with a consultation....
Of course, she will marrying.

her questions about another things....

I told her that she has a high potential to meet married men, divorced, or in relationships that have just ended.  This is not a sentence, this is potential.  my words were one, but presented them differently.  And yes, I said that the man will be from afar, but connected with her native places.

About pregnancy- its another “story”. No comments.

[Gmuli]

Its all good, that is always a problem when commenting on someones reading, when we don't know why they made it at the time.
You don't own us explanation, we all are doing readings to the best of our ability and knowledge at the time. It was just a possibility that I did think it was possible, initially as well, so seemed curious to see if we can go more into it as we did. At this point, moving on seems the best option to have.

[Maria]

Its all good, that is always a problem when commenting on someones reading, when we don't know why they made it at the time.
You don't own us explanation, we all are doing readings to the best of our ability and knowledge at the time. It was just a possibility that I did think it was possible, initially as well, so seemed curious to see if we can go more into it as we did. At this point, moving on seems the best option to have.

I’m glad to talk with you)
Thanks for your opinion)

[Gmuli]

Same here and thank you. : )